I love how you can easily assume he’s French
It’s the accent
hon hon hon
Those smug cooks, making a few dollars above minimum wage.
I love QR Code menus, especially when you can order through them.
But I hate when restaurants force them on you. Just give me the fucking choice so that everyone can order in the way they prefer.
Yeah but they can’t data track you through a paper menu, and a company choosing to lose revenue?? impossible
most of them only link to a PDF containing the menu anyways, they can’t track you there either
Pretty much any webhosted service out there essentially needs to track ip’s (unless they want to be ddos’d), so even the server thats serving the pdf can and will track you
They could even go the easy route and use something like bit.my to do it for them too
If you’re on their WiFi, then they’re just getting the restaurant’s IP. If you’re on mobile data, then they’re getting your carrier IP, which is often inside layers of carrier-grade NAT. Either way, they don’t get much besides knowing you’re attached to a specific carrier.
Even then it usually goes through the device’s browser and fingerprints as hard as some JavaScript virtually can, but I figured that was a bit long for the original post
(I mean shit your device probably tells google itself where its going, much less the connections on the other end)
edit: and of course this isn’t just the restaurant collecting it cause why would they care, usually its a shady 3rd party that already has a massive profile on you they can cross-reference
Yeah, but want I want to say with this: the restaurant gets nothing out of providing the menu only as a PDF. It’s stupid, just give me the OPTION to use a paper card, even though I prefer the PDF
Most services that convert a link to a QR code absolutely track their users. bit.ly (the URL shortening company) has a paid service to track where, when, and device IDs of who accessed the link whether it was through their shortened URL or the conveniently generated QR code that they can also make you.
This, but unironically
The boomers are right about this one
I prefer the menu on my phone. I can’t be the only one
While I think your opinion is vile, detestable, loathsome, abominable, and evil, I don’t understand why you’re being down voted.
Thank you for sharing your abhorrent, outrageous, and revolting opinion as it does contribute something meaningful to the discussion.This is a great way to disagree with someone, I feel like Abraham Lincoln could have written it
Same. Menus are disgusting.
you’re supposed to wipe them with a moist towlette before you start licking the pictures
These Boomer eyes can’t see print that small. Give me a piece of paper
You know you can adjust the font size on your phone, right?
It’s usually a PDF so you have to zoom in and out repeatedly to see everything. Super annoying.
I had some friends in town and we went to a place that made us use the qr code for the menu and had to order directly from the app and pay (and tip).
Same, but it was so busy that nobody at the table could load the menu; The restaurant’s tiny little closet server was essentially DDOS’ed. So the waiter had to verbally list the entire menu in the noisy restaurant.
Even worse, it was a restaurant where you order in rounds (Korean BBQ.) So every time the waiter came back to see what we wanted next, they had to list everything off again. By the third round, he just had a handwritten list he was handing to the table.
I love tech. But there are some things that just don’t need to be replaced by tech. And the fact that the restaurant didn’t even have any paper menus as a backup was jarring.
I love tech. But there are some things that just don’t need to be replaced by tech.
Dude. That resonated with me
Demonic behavior
Meh. I didn’t like it at first because it was unfamiliar, but I really don’t see anything wrong with it, especially if you can order and pay directly from your phone instead of waiting for a server to show up.
Qr codes can be malucious. Doesnt take a genius to swap one that compromises your phone while still tunneling to the menu so no one is suspicious.
if you can get a qr code on a current day phone that can auto install an app or tunnel, there are further issues at hand. the most a qr code might be able to do is redirect you to a website where it might try to prompt you to do something stupid with the phone.
I likely wont be fooled but i am not the target demographic to visit many bars or restaurants.
Soms people are easily fooled, shady people will exploit this.
Industries will also exploit this, if you’re on your phone anyway can easily serve you a form request for private information as well as picking up phone details trough their website already, over time i would not be surprised if the menu gets personalized in price and content to make sure they get the most they can.
You think a restaurant is going to give out a malicious URL to its customers?
Not knowingly.You could slap your tag into the page without anyone being the wiser and then them giving to the card to someone else to scan
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See, Im going to speak in defence of the QR code in some places. If I go to a pub, staffed by interchangable 20 somethings who are simultaniously taking orders, wiping tables, pouring drinks, clearing tables… yeah I dont think those menus are getting wiped down all that often.
If its a restaraunt, or trying to be upmarket… yeah make menus.
Maybe if you call ahead they’ll autoclave a menu and a table for you.
How much did you tip the waiters?
At that point what services should they be tipped for?
Walked all the way to your table with a plate!
Without spitting on it, while in your direct line of sight, while making eye contact with you, hopefully.
My hypothetical thoughts exactly too!
I don’t know, man, I always hate political cartoons that feel the need to label everything. Like, is that necessary?
It’s not necessary. That is why this cartoon has them.
This artist makes cartoons that are parodies of over-labelled political cartoons. He satirizes by imitating his target’s crappy form.
In that case, well done.
also if youre reading this and if you’re not familiar with his work - the statue of liberty crying is in practically every cartoon as well.
If you’re reading this and you are not familiar with it, holy shit I envy you because you are in for a treat, his comics are the best.
*latest fad
If reading these cartoons on and off for over a decade is a fad, I must have the meaning of the word wrong.
Ate the onion?
Yeah I didn’t realize that was the part that was being satirized.
It’s satire of political cartoons/right wing views.
Chomp
Did anyone check what that qr code in the image points to?
Doesn’t seem to be valid.
Missed opportunity 😑
Should have been a link to their own website to the page where this picture was uploaded.
That would be so meta.
Or a link to their facebook page. Also meta.
Should have emphasized a certain lack of up-giving and down-letting.
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Scan QR code
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Hello would you like to let cookies into your life?
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Time to navigate the decline cookies menu
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Tap menu button/item
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Goto 2
Forgot ads
You forgot:
1½. Install our app. 2½. Give us your email and link to your socials. 3½. Install our app. 3⅔. Install our app. 4½. Push notification? Push notifications. 5½. Install our app.
I feel that making a flowchart of this could lead to new labyrinth designs!
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Ben garrison is being called out
I love people’s absolute moral outrage about scanning a QR code. The same folks crying bc they have to ask for a plastic straws or wear a smal piece of cloth on their face in the grocery store.
It’s a genuine security risk.
Menus aren’t killing the environment either.
Yeah, I get wanting to not reprint menus every time something changes, but there are ways to do that which are more convenient and accessible than “scan a QR code to go to a random website and pray you have working internet access and also the site is working and up to date.” Y’know, like a damn menu board on the wall. Whiteboard/chalkboard even!
This is my personal preference, a place I used to go a lot had a black board across one whole wall and the menu was hand written on it. The menu changed frequently and it was often full of flourish and creativity from some employee.
If you’re using these links as restaurant menus as opposed to ordering platforms (this is how I use them, and how this post & other commenters seem to be presenting the concept) that’s kind of limited to a risk of straight up being phished in a situation where you don’t really have any reason to hand over your information.
In a pub/bar setting it’s helpful to know what’s available at the bar before I’m standing at it, especially if I’m buying a round. That is to say it generally lowers the bar to menu availability, not raise it. Because before the pub/bar would simply have no table menu and you’d figure out what you wanted by asking or looking at the taps
There are clickless exploits and other methods that don’t require you to enter information, nevermind that nearly all of these menus have ordering and payment available through them and mimicking websites is fairly simple.
QR codes cannot be trusted just like links from unknown sources cannot be trusted.
I think you’ll find there isn’t an Android or iPhone on the market today vulnerable to SQL injection or XSS etc via scanning a QR code. You’re talking about device vulnerabilities that get patched and it’s equally possible to encounter these exploits with plaintext URLs
You’re talking about device vulnerabilities that get patched
Patching out zero days takes time.
it’s equally possible to encounter these exploits with plaintext URLs
Yes which is why I clearly stated that following URLs from any unknown sources carries risk.
The difference is that due to menus being a point of payment they have a greater incentive for abuse.
So we shouldn’t use smartphone features if they could potentially have exploits? With this logic you shouldn’t have a phone.
We shouldn’t replace perfectly good solutions with unreliable, cumbersome, insecure, annoying shitty tech just because.
no but QR is a shit bug/exploit riddled mess of a format
If the restaurant doesn’t have a good enough reputation that I couldn’t trust the QR they provided (which displays the URL so I can inspect it before launching the web browser), I also wouldn’t want to trust my health to eating there.
It isn’t like some random thing you found on the sidewalk.
I’m pretty sure these are just an echo of the same concerns people put forward when URLs first started being included in signage, due to general privacy/security concerns with the internet. Somehow we got through it!
It is a privacy/security issue, not moral. A QR eatery will probably not accept cash either.
The issue is because it connects with a website right? I wonder if there could be a way to encode the text of the menu in the QR code itself
The QR code would be huge lol
The largest can fit like 500-1k words, a restaurant menu could be less than that I think
Yes web site is the issue.
Cannot embed menu instead because the QR code is a URL.
Why does QR code have to be URL only
Mostly because otherwise you’d need an app that knows how to read and display the data
oh, I don’t use my phone much, assumed they should be able to show some kind of plaintext from a QR code by default
You can. I’ve encoded text in QR codes using both an android app and a desktop program.
The QR code would be so big you may as well just print a full menu instead. Here, for example, is a QR code containing the first two paragraphs of the US Declaration of Independence:
It would have to be much, much bigger if you want to include any pictures.
Still seems much better than linking to a website.
When it is that big you may as well print a conventional menu rather than QR code.
I dislike qr menus mostly cuz their websites suck and I often don’t carry a phone.
Edit: Let me just add that as a coder my dream is to one day be hired for a really expensive and complex project and to give them a solution that only uses paper.
Paper menus are just full color e ink large foldable ipads that don’t weight a thing and are cheap, and have a super accessible interface.
I’ve used exactly one QR coded menu that didn’t suck. Every other one was some manner of infuriating, top method being “every item takes up 75%+ of your phone’s screen and is all arranged vertically so it’s impossible to compare two items without scrolling through 3-40 screens worth”.
That last bit is the most annoying part. I can’t stand not being able to quickly skim and compare and since most restaurants have too many items on their menu at it is I find it especially annoying.
I wear masks, carry stainless steel straws so I don’t have to use paper ones. You want me to eat at your establishment more than once, don’t make me use my phone at meal time.
Ah yes, the old “insult everyone involved” gag.
Just been in a restaurant in France that thought a tablet would be a good idea for a menu. Fucking dimwits hadn’t switched off the screen sleep though, and you had to tap it to wake it every thirty seconds
Plus it was an iPad, which only pensioners use, it was fucking awful
That sounds like an entirely unpleasant experience.
Reading your post inspired me to write a wryly informative yet droll linguistic comment for your edification and enjoyment (and my own entertainment). However my comment may strike you, in any case, I am certain it is entirely unrelated to the miserable experience you describe in your comment, as well as the content of the original post. Ready? Ok.
At face value, the message is entirely clear from what you’ve written. The restaurant owners required you to use a tablet to browse the menu items they have on offer, and that tablet had a particularly poor user experience.
However, I found your last sentence quite ambiguous, and interestingly so:
…it was an iPad which only pensioners use,…
I see at least three interpretations of this sentence fragment:
- iPads, as a category in general, are devices used by pensioners and no one else. (Note: my guess is that this is what you actually meant)
- This particular iPad had specific features that indicated all preceding users were pensioners. You don’t mention any of these features, but perhaps there were fingerprints of denture glue on the screen, or a distinct odor of moth balls.
- The particular iPad was restricted for use by pensioners only and no others, in which case you’ve broken the law and the Police Nationale are on their way. The laws are strict in France, I don’t make the rules.
Okay, yes yes, readings 2 and 3 are hyperbolic; however, this was intentional, partially for the lolz, but also to convey a sense of saliency for the respective interpretations.
The internet comment section is such an interesting treasure trove of human language. See, in typical language use (by typical, I specifically mean how language evolved, as humans in the bush, making sounds at each other around a fire), there are a multitude of cues that go beyond the simple string of words, collectively referred to as “pragmatics.” These are nonverbal cues like body language and facial expression, but also verbal cues like prosody, intonation, and stress. There are also “discourse” level aspects, like how we can follow the overall point of a speaker. (As an example of discourse, I told you up front that my comment would be somewhat amusing and educational, and hopefully I have delivered that to you - if I haven’t, well it’s still the discourse level pragmatics that underlie your feeling of annoyance or disappointment.)
Another pragmatic element is shared knowledge. Off the bat, we both have some fluency in English, but pragmatically (ha, see what I did there?), that’s a given, but it goes further than that. Friends and family have a history of shared experiences. On the Internet, well we’re both Lemmings, so we likely have an aptitude for technology, as well as other niche hobbies or interests. Shared knowledge is more or less anything that one speaker can assume about another on the basis of experience or overt group membership.
This is what is so interesting about Internet comments though - the pragmatics of language are often missing! This sentence might have been 100% clear if we had more shared knowledge. Perhaps all that was needed was hearing you say it, which would have carried prosody and stress.
Anyway, I hope you learned something interesting.
Was the food good at least?
I’ve fixed it for you, ya gobshite 🙃
I meant it’s only pensioners who use Apple products, they’re designed for people who don’t understand stuff
Hence the popularity in the US 😂
The food was reasonable, but not exceptional, and ridiculously overpriced
Ooh, gobshite has a nice ring to it 🤪
Sounds about right for French cuisine. Yes, I said it - French cuisine ain’t that great, it’s just buttery.
“Reasonable, but not exceptional, and ridiculously overpriced…” Could be an apt descriptor for the iPad too!
It’s a bummer that they kind of dominate the tablet space though… I want a tablet, but have been avoiding pulling the trigger because iPads are designed for the sticky fingered folk.
I dunno, France is one of the rare places where it’s difficult to find a bad restaurant; they just wouldn’t survive as food is so ingrained in the culture.
The problem was, I was in a ski resort; the menus are designed by culinary geniuses but cooked by bored season workers who are only interested in their next red piste or their next chalet girl’s vag
Re tablets, was surprised by the S8 I got for my wife; it’s an absolutely cracking piece of kit that’s as good as any Crapple offering without being tied to a walled garden
The Galaxy S series is very nice. The Galaxy A tablets are best avoided.
Fair enough. Ski resorts in the US mostly only offer burgers and fries, so the seasonal worker attitude is more understandable. Leave it to the French through to try to put a fine dining experience atop a ski slope.
Will check out the Samsungs, thanks for the recommendation. Cheers, good chatting with you :)
Yikes
Why’s it yikes? I’ll admit it was a bit of a ramble, but my comment was (mostly) coherent, factual, and at least a little humorous. No?
Written by ai?
Nope. I’m just a bit loquacious.
At whom is this aimed at?
I like the way you managed to use the correct “whom” to sound posh then completely fucked it up with the “at” on the end :)
Yeah that’s the perfect way to describe my English in general ^^.
You mean “Yeah that’s generally the way to describe my English in general” 🙃
You can end a sentence on a prepositional phrase. That’s an old style suggestion, not a rule.
But it’s redundant in that sentence because it began with “at.”
Who are you, a representative of the redundancy department of redundancy?
Yeah he pays his membership fees in cash, gets it from the ATM machine
With a secure pin number
Stop it with all the redundant pleonasms!
Ah, true thAT.
The Kelly cartoons are done by a progressive pretending to be a conservative. The Onion often gets hate letters from progressives who think it’s genuinely conservative, and more glowing letters from conservatives who think the same.
Taking into account that this is the Onion, it’s probably aimed at at everyone like the good ol’ days.
People who enjoy mocking political cartoons.
Wow, the onion is on point these days. I don’t know how they can produce satire in today’s America.
Ywait this is a satire?
