• Extras@lemmy.today
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    11 months ago

    Don’t own an android TV or box but can you really not change the default launcher natively?

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      Android TV is very limited compared to regular Android. It’s hot garbage. Connecting a Bluetooth headset requires navigating through 4 levels of menus, it is missing several accessibility features such as audio balance settings, and has ads on the launcher. On top of that, it runs like shit even on a 4 core CPU.

      Not that regular Android is much better.

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        The entire android tv UI is garbage. Lose internet while Disney plus or Netflix are loading? There’s a good chance you need to force close them to make them work again. That’s like 5 menus deep and doesn’t make a lot of sense how to get there. Long press to bring up app info? Yeah right!

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          And the hardware is often total junk. There’s a reason people still recommend the Shield, a device which is 5 years old and runs Android 9.

          People here don’t want to hear it, but using an Apple TV will ruin the experience for everything else from a hardware perspective. Software aside, of course. There’s no reason for Android devices to exist on such sub par hardware. And yet…

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      I have a chromecast with Google tv and could natively install a launcher from the playstore and non playstore apps from file managers. I have no ads. Autoboot to my streaming app. Remapped remote buttons. All without using adb

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      You can with some tinkering. You can uninstall the default launcher with ADB shell and some Android TV show select launcher options when more than 1 is installed.

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      Usually you have to either disable the default launcher with adb or you need to remap the home button to open a dofferent launcher.

      I always go the adb route for everything. I also have UART access on my TV, so I can disable the setup wizard and avoid logging into anything or accepting any EULAs.

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      It takes literally no effort with ProjectIvy. It’s just a menu selection in the new launcher to set it as default.

      When I tried FLauncher it didn’t have that convenient selection, and I’d have to adb in to set it as default. So I didn’t end up using it.

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    11 months ago

    Just build a htpc powerful enough to display media and play games with good performance

    Put a tv tuner card in the htpc

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      Been there done that. I prefer the Nvidia Shield, easier interface to navigate with a remote, I don’t have to login first, it rarely needs an update, no noisy fans, I don’t need to keep a physical keyboard connected to it, it’s way cheaper, I don’t need to mess around with codecs, and there aren’t a lot of unnecessary services and background applications hogging memory and cpu resources.

      I get that most of this can be fixed or worked around on a htpc, but that’s effort I don’t have to spend on a Shield.

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        It also smoothly supports all dolby/dts stuff with no fuss. To my knowledge, there’s no way to get dolby vision working on an HTPC.

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        I have never heard of anyone talk about nvidia shield since 2013 until I joined lemmy. This is the weirdest marketing psyop I have ever seen.

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          Then you weren’t in the r/self-hosting or r/piracy communities. It comes from the fact that it supports most codecs. So when you want to watch almost any movie on Plex, the server won’t have to transcode.

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              Idk why you insist on it being a psyop, but you do you. I tried to find an android device that had hardware support for H.264, H.265, and others and it’s not much there. I believe Firetv 4K does but then you are getting a more locked down android with a bunch more ads.

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          I also use a Nvidia shield, very happy with it… Mostly. Clean, few ads, although they did add some banner ads for major streaming providers. But I don’t mind seeing a banner for a few new shows

          Not psyops

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            That’s BS. It’s impossible for something like pihole to block ads like the ones we get on YouTube/Android tv because they are served from the same domain as the regular content and a pihole doesn’t know the difference.

            The only way to block them is to run unofficial apps that replace YouTube and the likes.

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              I am using the default launcher and while I get ads for TV shows in the home screen, I do not get ads for third-party products like chicken wraps. I can also watch Youtube without getting third-party ads during or in-between videos. I assume given this is not BS, the ads are not being served from the same domain as the video.

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                I really don’t believe it. At some point it was even a suggested workaround to intercept requests to port 53 because the Shield or its apps were not honoring your network’s DNS configuration. Which would be similar to the pihole not being in the picture at all.

                If it’s really working for you, I suggest telling the community how you’ve done it because this question pops up every other day and the answer is always the same.

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      11 months ago

      A $40 htpc with 4k HDR output, wifi, a remote, and uses like 10W maxed and <1W idle? Please share parts list.

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      What software does it run which is able to access non-local media like Hulu, Netflix, peacock, etc?

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        You mean jellyfin! The kodi library management design is silly. Tightly coupled with the player itself.

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            For video content, iirc, it’s possible to browse the files just like you’re asking for by creating a “Mixed film and programmes” library. The description of the type, when creating it, mentions: “Content will be displayed as plain folders.” However, I don’t know if that would also work for audiodramas? Possibly if you disable auto-fetching of metadata and provide it all yourself — either by creating .nfo-files and supplying correctly named images within the folder structure, or through the jellyfin app/webui.

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          I have kodi on a rpi3, with the jellyfin plug in so all the decoding happens on hardware (old cheap nvidia) on the server where jellyfin runs.

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    11 months ago

    (On the shield 2019) If you block this domain with your dns ad blocker, the default launcher will only show ads for the YouTube, Google TV, and Google Play Store apps (not individual shows). I find these to be far less annoying as they use muted tones.

    androidtvwatsonfe-pa.googleapis.com

    If you have already setup your device and currently see ads, you need to reset the android tv home application data to get rid of them. This will temporarily show you the old dashboard, but the new one will load eventually (without ads).

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      I don’t get why someone would be willing to put in the effort to block that domain rather than just install a different launcher. Much simpler, less likely to inadvertently break something else.

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        For me it was much simpler to just add it as a line in the field in my router settings than trying to find a launcher that was better while looking decent.

        I also like the look of the launcher minus the ads as well, so that might play into it.

        I’m not worried about it breaking any features tied to the ads, and I haven’t had any problems in like 2 years I’ve used it.

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      I have this blocked with Blokada locally on my Shield and can confirm it works great. I also prefer the stock launcher just without all the ad junk.

      I recently bought a TCL TV with Android TV and I was hoping this trick would work with it but it didn’t. So if anyone knows how to make the TCL Android TV launcher interface “stock” and stay that way feel free to point it out.

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    You know what’s even better for cutting down ads on a fucking android TV? Never owning one

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      I’m terribly sorry for wanting functionality from my television other than playing a DVD or watching terrestrial TV.

      I swear some people on lemmy need to chill. Not everyone lives in an off grid cabin in the woods, with no passport, not connected to the internet BUT running a local network, with a server containing all their DVDrips.

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      Nah, a Chromecast with Google TV is a super cheap and reliable way to sail the high seas. Stremio, VPN, some kind of debrid service. Works better than any legal streaming service my friend told me. Not that I would ever try to hurt the poor studios.

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          On the Chromecast, one of the other reasons I got one. There’s some localised content I get to access like that.

          I considered a VPN on the router but a) the router provided by our ISP doesn’t support that, so it would be another investment and b) I didn’t want to introduce a potential point of headache for when I’m not around. I.e. my non tech savvy partner having trouble with the VPN.

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        Personally I had to stop using my Chromecast because the 4k playback was so choppy at certain points it became unwatchable. Ironically the native software on my TV does better, but still not perfect…

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    Anyone use this or something similar for the shield? Looking to eliminate the ads.

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      I use Shield Pro 2019 since Nov 2019, have been keeping up on software updates – haven’t ever noticed ads. I use Pi-hole though, maybe that has been ‘shielding’ me (ha!) all this time and I didn’t realize it?

      (To clarify I mean no ads in the Shield UI itself, I’d still see ads in individual streaming apps like Hulu)

      • just another dev@lemmy.my-box.dev
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        For me the default launcher would always first list “recommendations” to install Disney plus or other platforms, before showing content that I’m actually interested in.

        I have since switched to a different launcher, one that automatically starts up plex as well, since that’s all I use it for anyway.

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      I just got Projectivy Launcher. You need to get premium (one-time 7.25 cost) to set it as the default but it has some nice customizations. Works great on my Shield and a Google TV.

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        Premium is only needed for some more niche settings, not setting as default launcher.

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          Ah well - supporting the dev isn’t the worst possible outcome. It sure does make me happy to not see the Google ads regardless.

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    Definitely going to try this.

    I have DNS adblocking / tracker blocking set up on an Android TV (spoiler: Amazon is very noisy, even if you don’t watch anything on Prime Video), but it doesn’t help against native launcher ads.

    When the launcher first started showing ads, you could disable certain services, but it would break playback on other apps.

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      Try blocking this domain manually and see if it works (it wasn’t part of my native lists in my router’s adblock)

      androidtvwatsonfe-pa.googleapis.com

      If you have already set up your device and currently see ads, you need to reset the android tv home application data to get rid of them. This will temporarily show you the old dashboard, but the new one will load eventually (without ads, in its place it shows a dark “Google play, Youtube”, and something else that isnt very intrusive).

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    I just tried it and it worked flawlessly, my TV is a lot less sluggish now. Just make sure you turn off Windows Defender before using.