Charlie Kirk hates homosexuals so much that the Right Wing Inversion Principle means he must be gay too. He started a movement that acts like a support group to help keep him scared and in the closet.
I really don’t like comments like this. They imply that queer people are the cause of homophobia.
I don’t read it as that… To me it looks like being afraid of leaving the closet causes homophobia
This is the same principle as small penis men buying large trucks… They are doubling down on the homophobia display to over compensate for their homosexuality
But haven’t you noticed that every loudmouth homophobe gets called secretly queer?
I think it’s because they so often are … It’s becoming a stereotype now
I think they so often are claimed to be. How many actually are? Have there been some? Yes. Do we actually know how many? Even a rough estimate?
18 people vs. every single person who says anything homophobic that gets reported on the news since people always claim that person is closeted.
Which is my point.
I think they so often are claimed to be
They portrait themselves as raging homophobics just to then pretend to be gay? I don’t follow
I think that other people often make the claim that homophobes are secretly gay and I’m asking if we actually know how many, even based on a rough estimate, that applies to. If not, it’s a spurious and rather disturbing claim.
Homophobia is the reason some queer people self hate so goddamn much they lash out at all queer people while the original homophobes cheer it on. Also, some people are just awful, terrible monsters regardless of their sexuality.
Sure, there are self-hating people of all sorts of marginalized groups, but queer people are the only ones who get regularly talked about as if the people who oppress them are also queer.
You don’t hear about Muslims being oppressed by secret Muslims.
I cannot provide evidence for this, obviously, but it would seem to me that most bigots are bigots because they’re bigoted, not because they’re secretly the thing they’re bigoted against.
Religion isn’t something intrinsic about a person. If you hate the fact that you’re a Muslim, you can opt out.
You cannot opt out being queer.
Okay then, you don’t hear about white bigots being secretly light-skinned black people. Pick whatever group you want. Queer people are the only one I can think of where it’s regularly claimed that the people bigoted against them are themselves the people they are bigoted against.
Yeah, nobody says that people opposed to disability rights are secretly suffering from an invisible disability.
Again people don’t choose disabilities
Nah it’s a tale as old as time, we used to call it “the one who smelt it dealt it” but the principle is the same. The most fervent and vocal are often just trying to cover their own asses.
Can you name another example where bigotry against a traditionally marginalized minority is virtually always claimed to be coming from that minority?
Sure, there are self-hating people of all sorts of marginalized groups, but queer people are the only ones who get regularly talked about as if the people who oppress them are also queer.
Not true, pedophiles often fall in this category and there is even more evidence of this to justify correlation
Sorry, you’re saying that people who hate pedophiles are themselves pedophiles?
Not at all… and looking at the rest of your comments I don’t really know what you are fishing for but I don’t want to play your game
I’m not “fishing for” anything. Please don’t make ridiculous accusations about me. If that isn’t what you meant, what did you mean?
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If that’s how reality works, you can provide me with statistics that show that the majority of homophobes are themselves queer.
Statistics might be hard. But there’s studies https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/homophobes-might-be-hidden-homosexuals/
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/roots/overview.html
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1743609516003192
Next to these studies there’s also examples of staunch anti-queer people who later got caught being queer themselves, especially politicians.
That first one is paywalled, but I found it here: https://archive.ph/DwLa8#selection-707.0-735.328
I also find their evidence quite spurious:
In four studies, the researchers looked at the discrepancies between what people say about their sexual orientation and their implicit sexual orientation based on a reaction-time test. The studies involved college students from Germany and the United States. For the implicit measure, students had to categorize words and pictures flashed onto a computer screen into “gay” or “straight” groups. Words included “gay,” “straight,” “homosexual” and “heterosexual,” while the pictures showed straight and gay couples. Before each trial, participants were primed with the word “me” or “others” flashed momentarily onto a computer screen. The researchers said quicker reaction time for “me” and “gay,” and a slower association of “me” with “straight” would indicate said an implicit gay orientation. [Why Gay Parents May Be the Best Parents]
In another experiment, the researchers measured implicit sexual orientation by having participants choose to browse same-sex or opposite-sex photos on a computer screen.
Questionnaires also teased out the parenting style the participants were exposed to, with students asked how much they agreed or disagreed with statements such as: “I felt controlled and pressured in certain ways;” and “I felt free to be who I am.” To gauge homophobia in a household, students responded to items such as, “It would be upsetting for my mom to find out she was alone with a lesbian” or “My dad avoids gay men whenever possible.”
Participants indicated their own level of homophobia, both overt and implicit; in word-completion tasks, students wrote down the first three words that came to mind when prompted with some of the words’ letters. Students were primed at some point with the word “gay” to see how that impacted the amount of aggressive words used.
For example, that last part measured impulsive reactions to things. Someone can have an impulsive negative reaction to the word ‘gay’ for many reasons and not be homophobic. If I’m raised by parents to hate queer people, even if I don’t, I may have an instant visceral reaction to those words (the article even talks about parenting).
I can say this in my own life- I was raised by a father who was fanatically pro-Israel. I often have an immediate reaction to a criticism of Israel despite my total lack of support for that nation because I spent 18 years being told Israel was the only thing standing between me and Auschwitz. It doesn’t matter that I know that isn’t true. In the spur of the moment, before I realize what my reaction is, I can’t control it. So yeah, if someone used that word on me and told me to instantly write down three words that come to mind, they might be very, very different than if they told me to wait even ten seconds before I wrote down my first word.
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“You’re a grown fucking adult” and your anecdotal examples is not evidence that the majority of homophobes are queer.
I will keep asking this- is there any other oppressed group where you would claim the majority of the people oppressing them are of that group? Are the majority of antisemites Jews? Are a majority of ableists disabled? If not, why is it only queer people who are responsible for their own bigotry?
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Cool, I’m just going to flag you for your incivility.
They imply that queer people are the cause of homophobia.
I don’t think it would be accurate to call someone like Ted Haggard or Marcus Bachmann or Jerry Falwell Jr “queer”, as they are deeply closeted and conformist presenting. That said, I do see the consequences of prior iterations of conversion therapy produce a group of incredibly violent and sadistic “ex” gay men.
So I might say that violence against queer people has a cyclical effect and perpetuates homophobia, in the same way that violence against women perpetuates misogyny and violence against pocs perpetuate racism. Some of the people who have had their personalities systematically reshaped through physical and psychological abuse inherit the job of abusing the next generation. They are held up as symbols of the system’s success and granted special privilege on the condition they continue the cycle of violence on behalf of the originators of the system.
But when you get behind the Ted Haggards and Marcus Bachmans and Falwell Jrs, you’ll routinely find patriarchs fixated on their genetic legacy, who see queer children as a threat to their continued line. The real root of this problem is the fixation on race science and genetic bloodlines. The extremely high opinion that Ronald Reagan or Dick Cheney or Mitt Romney or Donald Trump have of themselves and the desperate need they have for large families that will propagate their own genes leads to this ideological revulsion towards children who won’t also have large families.
Its the blue blooded aristocrat’s need for racial purity that leads to homophobia. Brutalized ex-gay converts are simply their deputies, in the endless war on their own children and grandchildren in pursuit of even more offspring.
Damn you dumb
Please do educate dumb me by providing evidence that most or all homophones are secretly queer.
There and their are gay af
It’s because it’s a recurring theme.
Not that queer people cause homophobia, just a lot of homophobes turn out to fuck the same gender.
As I have said to others- You are talking about 18 actual people vs. every time any person in the news says something homophobic. That’s the problem. There are, if you were to believe what is said, no cishet homophobes. They’re all secretly queer.
It’s just a random list, but there have been a lot more.
The point is, nobody believes they are all gay, just that many of the fervent ones happen to be. Or at the very least they have dabbled in the acts.
Like catholic church - very anti-gay, get altar boys have been molested at a very high rate.
So while ‘not all homophobes’, there is certainly a trend. And I dunno, perhaps it should be investigated deeper when you push on it like that.
The point is, nobody believes they are all gay,
And yet, as I said, every single time someone says something homophobic in the media, the claim is that they’re closeted.
So I think people do believe that. They may not admit they believe it, but what else can be derived from that finger pointing every single time?
People do that to Catholic church as well, does that make you feel like EVERY clergy man is a predator?
It’s just a coincidence, but frequent enough, to make that connection.
Same as here. And those same homophobes and fragile masculiners will sing praises about well-built male bodies. And keep almost exclusively male company.
There are people who oppose gay marriage because it works for them politically, but if their base shifted opinions, would support it 100%. But they keep it all on the down low.
People do that to Catholic church as well, does that make you feel like EVERY clergy man is a predator?
Sorry, are you saying being a priest is an inherent trait?
Well everyone is on a spectrum then… strictly speaking it’s true. 😅
Doesn’t he get haircuts tho? He’s basically going to hell anyway.
I had no idea sky daddy didn’t like haircuts. But, you know what, I’m relieved. Now I know I’m going to hell, uncertainty be gone. And… and, I can go sporting a fresh trim.
His face also gets smaller every time I see him
Jesus - “He who is free of sin cast the first stone”
Republicans - “Is lying a sin?”
Jesus - “Yes!”
Republicans - “FAKE NEWS!!! JESUS IS A COMMUNIST TERRORIST!!!”
“He was a hero because he was crucified. I like people who weren’t crucified.”
I mean, the conservative law makers did execute Jesus…
the idea conservatives killed jesus - it’s a fun take.
Edit: Not saying its a wrong take, lol, just never thought about it that way
I’m not sure how else you’d describe the strict orthodox religious sect that ratted him out or the oligarch governor of a continent spanning empire overseeing a conquered province who rubber stamped a state-managed torture and execution.
If Jesus were alive today, he’d be living in Guantanamo Bay.
I’m pretty sure he’d be in a government lab
The literal definition of conservatives fits the Pharisees to a T.
You understand they killed him because they were conservatives and didn’t want his “new progressive” ideas from spreading further to the people, correct?
You’re not even trying here. Or you’re really, really clueless as to what conservatism is in politics throughout history.
TL;DR; Jesus was a progressive. The people who killed him were conservatives. If Jesus were alive today he’d 100% be a progressive/liberal. His ideas fit neatly within the progressive and liberal ideals, even 2,000 years later. And just like 2,000 years ago, conservatives today would claim he’s the anti-christ and try and murder him to kill his “progressive” ideas.
We don’t even have to create hypotheticals. We see this with people who actually represent Jesus Christ’s teachings from the book (love everyone equally, don’t judge, don’t horde money, render unto ceasar, help the poor, give up your money to help, don’t build giant churches and temples, don’t be racist, don’t do war, don’t do genocide, etc. etc.), get attacked and death threats from modern day conservatives. Just like the conservatives from B.C.
Nothing has changed. Because that’s what being a conservative means.
You understand that right? It’s literally right there in the name.
Are you trying to make a serious argument that the Pharisees were progressives?
So you think progressives killed Jesus?
They’ve replaced “thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor” with “the ends shall justify thy means”
“Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.”
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James 5%3A1-6&version=NIV
This is one of my favorite Jesus quotes, because it complements the idea that no one but god is free from sin. So no one can judge the sins of others but god and Jesus, but basically all the actual Christians that love it are ignorant on their own religion and think they are free from sin unlike those dang gays and such.
Idk if they think they’re free from sins or that they’re forgiven for their sins just because they claim to follow a religion. Either way, they suck.
Weird how they pull that shit out of the bible but never:
“Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God."
Or this one:
And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.
Because, the kingdom of god isn’t here. So fuck those poors. /s
They pull that all the time, when they’re talking about the excessive taxes that innocent small business owners are forced to dodge.
I will never get tired of posting this anytime I see his tiny face
International treaties make posting the slider obligatory to online discussions where Kirk comes up.
Thank you for your duty.
He looks normal at 108%
Put it to 92%, look away for a minute then look back and have a good chuckle.
There used to be a quiz where’d you’d guess if his face was bigger or smaller than “normal”, but it looks like it got deleted
Lol I’ve seen this before but never realized there was sound with it. Is that a new feature?
Idk, I saw it posted on Reddit about a year ago or so, and saved it. It’s had music since then at least.
Ok I don’t get it. It’s a still picture with no sound
Tick the sound box and move the slider
Fuck Charlie Kirk. Massive piece of shit.
It’s so cute when they dress up in their Trump cosplay suits.
Why does anyone think he doesn’t agree?
Whaddaya mean? Can’t you see the upside-down flag??
The upside-downitude makes it EXTRA GAY
Because he doesn’t care about religion, he’s just using them to get what he wants.
Ugh, he was falling off so he’s saying some crazy shit for attention. Also the stage sharing was 2021 which was probably the last time he was relevant.
Love your neighbor as yourself?
Not that Jesus!
This one:
Man, Supply-Side Jesus got rode hard and put away wet
The trick is to self-loathe, and then you’re justified in spitting on everybody!!
/s
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Republicans are planning to genocide the LGBT community?
Sounds serious! So when are democrats going to drop gun control given this imminent threat?
Work towards peace, prepare for the inevitable. SocialistRA.org
