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    Probably not for the reason you think.

    Like, it wouldn’t be patched into anything official

    But it means Musk knew where that ship was 24/7, and I’m pretty sure that’s why Ukraine’s military stopped using it. Musk tipped off Putin to troop movements.

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        What?

        Surface ships are in constant communication with stuff…

        You can’t just find a signal in the middle of the ocean. Musk can find a starlink signal tho, because he can see what Starlink connects to and it’s gps location.

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          Yeah but if they go on mission and “go dark” then you still have this starlink thing that may or may not be disabled by the person smuggling it on board. It may also be connected to official things if the owner has bad intentions, or if someone else who does finds it and co-opts it.

          There is a lot that could go wrong with unauthorized radio transmission equipment on a warship, and not all of it is obvious.

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            You can’t connect a star link to siprnet.

            The worst a bad actor could do is constantly transmitting location and other combat data.

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              You can’t connect a star link to siprnet.

              Can you connect a computer? Because if so, that same computer can then be connected to the starlink, no?

              I know absolutely nothing about secure government networking, I’m just kind of assuming that something has to be able to connect to both individually and also simultaneously.

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                sipr is very strict about what it is letting connect to it. Which is why you rarely hear about breaches. Notable incidents like Manning or Snowden both involved usage of physical media, which has been severely restricted since. Plus Snowden was an admin, and not on SIPRNet, but some NSA systems.

                To add, SIPRNet is entirely isolated from NIPRNet or the Internet.

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                  Well, the Starlink could be connected by an admin to a computer that is connected to SIPRNet, right? It exposes itself as just a router.

                  I mean, assuming the Starlink was brought on board by someone with authorization to be on board, any possible adversarial situation would necessarily be an internal issue to begin with.

                  Personally, I think the most likely answer involves an Xbox.

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                    Nothing Sipr is going to have a wi-fi. At least, not at the tactical level. God knows what goes on with secure cellphones and stuff. However a Sipr computer is still a computer and if you hook in the wrong cable then you’ve breached the network. Any bad actor knowing where the ship is and with sufficient information is going to try and drop malware to the router. That malware would load to any computer attached and if it happens to find itself on a secure computer it then attempts to phone home or cause havoc.

                    Which is why hooking a green cable into a red computer usually means you unhook it, power it down, cart it off to IT, and then hope the punishment isn’t too bad. (Ranges from push ups to half pay for an honest mistake.)

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          Depends on where your sensors are and how much dispersion the dish has. If you are flying a surveillance plane into the “beam” then you can passively spot the ship.

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          You say that like Elon is personally looking at that information.

          Presumably, there would be a large number of people at the company with access to that information, all of whom could be bribed or otherwise persuaded to share it.

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          No they actually do go dark sometimes for exactly this reason. Of course there’s always some signal source but it’s the difference between lighting up like a Christmas tree and running a single IR light.

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      Musk tipped off Putin to troop movements

      Wait he did? Can you provide a source for this? I can only find information about him stopping starlink service in crimea

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      The reason I think is because any unofficial and potentially unsecured communications access point seems like a vulnerability. If some moron posts a picture using that unofficial access point I’d be worried it could be traced to the ship’s location.

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        No it just wouldn’t.

        Like, are you imagining a modern US warship doesn’t have internet 24/7?

        This was for porn and maybe streaming services and social media, but mostly porn.

        It wasn’t for any official use, because they have that covered.

        You’re acting like surface ships are submarines…

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          Like, are you imagining a modern US warship doesn’t have internet 24/7?

          last I checked, no, they don’t. they had shitty service while in port, and not much else.

          https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2023/12/29/new-in-2024-better-wi-fi-for-sailors/

          fuck mate they only recently started giving their people access ON SHORE.

          https://www.stripes.com/branches/navy/2024-01-25/navy-free-wi-fi-pilot-program-12796438.html

          so no, I don’t think for the average sailor a US warship provides internet access 24/7

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            That article is about wifi for personal use…

            And the second one is about it being free and you’re acting like they didn’t have Internet before then?

            so no, I don’t think for the average sailor a US warship provides internet access 24/7

            Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about about.

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              That article is about wifi for personal use…

              do you think the starlink terminal in the OP article was for military use?? bwahahaha

              Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about about.

              ok buddy, have a nice life.

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                I said:

                This was for porn and maybe streaming services and social media, but mostly porn.

                And on your second reply you said:

                do you think the starlink terminal in the OP article was for military use?? bwahahaha

                I stand by my original assessment after your first comment:

                Yeah man, you have zero idea what people are talking about

                Because you literally don’t understand the conversation

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                    yeah I don’t understand it either, but if he’s going to be a dick I’m happy to block and drive on with life

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                  spin it however you like, this statement:

                  Like, are you imagining a modern US warship doesn’t have internet 24/7?

                  is not correct. gonna block you now, you’re a waste of time.

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                    Yes…

                    The ship has Internet…

                    For official business.

                    That’s not the same as everyone having wifi for anything.

                    For fucks sake, how can you not understand this? It’s really not that difficult…

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          Whether they have wifi on ship or not isn’t the issue. Sometimes, when a ship goes into an operation, they will turn off all signals except passive or directed signals so that they can’t easily be detected. Having a communications signal that isn’t under the control of the ship’s officers is a huge security risk during operations.

          Someone is going to be court martialed over this.

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      Everybody knew were the ship was, because at that time star link usage by area was shown publicly. There was map online that showed all clients online.

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      Musk tipped off Putin to troop movements.

      I’m sorry, this made me laugh. Is that a widely accepted conspiracy theory in this community? That Elon Musk is a Russian spy?

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        Did you miss the part where he sent a militarized Cyber Truck to a Russian war criminal, or are you conveniently ignoring it?

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          The Russian war criminal stated he got it from musk but that hasn’t been confirmed and I don’t think we should be taking Kadyrov’s word as truth on anything he’s a literal war criminal.