• crashfrog@lemm.ee
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    And not accounting for trucks that are turned around inside Gaza by Israeli troops.

    That’s zero trucks. IDF troops can’t and don’t make aid trucks turn around once they’re in Gaza. They don’t get the chance - the aid warehouses are all just beyond the border crossing.

    If an aid truck is turned back, due to the unlawful presence of dual-use items in the shipment, then it is turned around at the checkpoint, not in Gaza, and isn’t included here.

    And your news story study is from the Israeli government. Who is about as trustworthy as a murderer on trial.

    I disagree with that. The Israeli government is more credible than the Hamas government of Gaza, and in any case here’s another study proving that the UN’s conclusion of famine is based on ignoring huge amounts of aid:

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4851635

    On the IPC website you will find that the people in Gaza have not been getting enough calories since February.

    But they have been - the IPC study was totally refuted by the UN’s own research. The FRC’s conclusions aren’t supported by even their own data.

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      Oh really? The UN’s own research? I’m sure you’ll be willing to share?

      Something more than an abstract accusing UNRWA of being unable to count because of Israeli actions?

      And finally, no. You keep dodging around it but we’re talking about checkpoints inside Gaza preventing aid from being distributed.

      God this is tiring. This shit is headline news for months, nearly a year now. With report after report telling the same story. And yet Zionists are always around to tell us how this one crumb of information disproves it all if you just look at it sideways and don’t actually read what it says.

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        I’m sure you’ll be willing to share?

        I am sharing it? In every post? I can’t make you read it, though.

        You keep dodging around it but we’re talking about checkpoints inside Gaza preventing aid from being distributed.

        But there are no IDF checkpoints preventing aid from being distributed. The IDF isn’t responsible for the distribution of aid; UNRWA is. And in any case that’s a new accusation; you had previously said they cut off the aid and now you’re saying they get the aid, they just can’t get it to anybody. But the logistical failures of the UNRWA aren’t anyone’s fault but theirs.

        With report after report telling the same story

        But that’s false. There isn’t “report after report” telling the same story. There’s one FRC report, with conclusions all other groups say aren’t supported by their own data, saying that famine has been “severe and imminent” even as Gazans continue to enjoy widespread access to abundant food.

        You literally have nothing else, while I’ve produced source after source.

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          So funny story. I’ve gone to every link you’ve provided to me and none of them were a UN study.

          Also a funny story, one link I provided you had multiple IPC reports. So that tells me you aren’t reading my links, and that your claim of “one FRC report” is laughable.

          In the same lane, you also obviously didn’t click though to the news article I provided in the last comment. Or you wouldn’t have said something so demonstrably false about Gazan aid being turned around. Also, again, if you’re going to comment in so many places, re-read the thread real quick to make sure you haven’t forgotten something important. Like the fact that I mentioned that in the last 3 comments. It’s not in fact something new.

          Finally, accusing UNRWA of incompetence while blocking and attacking their aid convoys has been an Israeli propaganda line for most of the past ~10 months. The fact you’ve gone in on that twice now is enough for me to just leave this here. You’re not here in good faith.

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            I’ve gone to every link you’ve provided to me and none of them were a UN study.

            Because you won’t read past the abstract. I can only give you the sources; I can’t make you read them.

            Also a funny story, one link I provided you had multiple IPC reports.

            You didn’t provide a link.

            t. Or you wouldn’t have said something so demonstrably false about Gazan aid being turned around.

            It’s not a news story about aid being turned around in Gaza. It’s a news story about aid being turned around at the Gazan border because it contains impermissible dual-use items that are forbidden in aid shipments to Gaza.

            Finally, accusing UNRWA of incompetence while blocking and attacking their aid convoys has been an Israeli propaganda line for most of the past ~10 months.

            You’re correct that it’s propaganda but you’ve misattributed it. It’s Hamas propaganda.

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              If the paper says something the abstract doesn’t then it’s a bad paper or a bad abstract.

              I absolutely provided a link, it’s even labeled, “IPC Report Link”.

              And no. The news article is very clear these checkpoints are inside Gaza, not at the border. Which again is there for you and everyone else to read.

              And lmao you think Hamas is what? Paying the UN to say they’ve been attacked by Israel? You know what don’t answer that. I’m not sure why I even replied to this post since it’s very obvious your only angle here is to deny all evidence of Israel’s crimes. No matter how damning.

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                If the paper says something the abstract doesn’t then it’s a bad paper or a bad abstract.

                The whole point of an abstract is that it’s not the entire paper, stupid