They know exactly what they are doing. They are going to blame the President. They don’t care about their own people.
Because their people will blame the President too.
There was recent shift in polls in Florida, making it a tossup state, I’m wondering if that vote by Republicans could have something to do with it.
Polls aren’t very indicative of election results in a state with as much voter suppression as Florida.
There’d probably have to be at least 10% more voting age Dems than Republicans to make it competitive.
What if a few rural counties get washed into the ocean?
reference please? i havent seen anything except florida being up rep by a good bit
thanks. Id be astounded and delighted if harris can win florida, but you never know.
that article is all over the place. it links back to itself (clicking the poll link takes you to a link for that headline)… I was able to find the actual poll: https://napolitaninstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/GCM24-FL09-Mini-Crosstabs-Pres.pdf
then there is also this from NYTimes, further confounding things
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/08/upshot/florida-poll-harris-trump.html
The Harris campaign should be running 24/7 ads about how they reached out to DeSantis to offer aid and he refused to take the call.
They’re already blaming him.
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Crazy how we have a $1.4T national defense budget and yet we remain powerless in the face of some wind and rain.
Beginning to wonder if the budgets for the F-35A/B/C/D/I, the Virginia Class submarines, and STAR WARS anti-ICBM space laser systems might have been misspent relative to the need for sea walls, dykes, and storm bunkers.
Wind and rain that we knew a century ago how to prevent. The greenhouse effect was discovered during the French Revolution. Catastrophic anthropogenic climate change has been known for about 50 years now.
The thing is handling wind and rain sounds easy until you understand it as force carried through the media of air and water. As a midwesterner I know not to underestimate wind, it can destroy your home without slowing down. This is a bombing campaign of force in a different form.
The thing is handling wind and rain sounds easy until you understand it as force carried through the media of air and water.
But we do have industrial scale infrastructure to curb the effect of these storm surges. We have construction techniques to make buildings more durable. We have artificial breakwaters and coastal preserves to blunt the landfall of these big storms. We have mass transit infrastructure technology to evacuate people quickly and efficiently, rather than stranding them in giant traffic jams in the middle of a storm.
This is a bombing campaign of force in a different form.
We’ve known how to build bunkers for over a century. Perhaps we need a modern day Enver Hoxha in the Florida governor’s seat.
Catastrophic anthropogenic climate change
I prefer anthropogenic runaway global heating (ARGH). “Climate change” is a pretty weak formulation of the underlying problem, even weaker than “global warming”.
How about Anthropogenic Catastrophic Kindling (ACK)? Then we can at least get Cathy on board.
What can we make out of LASAGNA to get Garfield involved?
It chooses to address the effects rather than the cause. Climate change addresses that it’s not just going to get hotter, we’re also experiencing changes to currents in both the air and water, and things like rainfall are going to wildly change. To some people like folks in Bengal the heat is the problem, but to Albertans the issue is that drier conditions will cause increased wildfires, meanwhile over in the eastern United States it’s hurricanes and tornadoes while Western Europe is going to lose its whole “temperate rainforests at a high latitude” thing as the Gulf Stream collapses.
Oh then things will get real end Permian but that’s more of an atmospheric makeup thing.
Climate change is a phrase created by republican messaging specialist Luntz.
“The climate has always been changing.” I’m sure you’ve heard that dismissal before, no? Not that it matters. Denialists gonna deny. It’s the same people that will see it snow once in the winter and say “so much for global warming.”
Everyone knows immigrants caused climate change anyway.
There’s ample money for both. Conservatives just block it.
There’s ample money for both.
glancing at the F-35 $2T budget
At some point, you start making trade offs.
Conservatives just block it.
glancing at the voting records of Manchin, Sinema, and Coons
I wish it was just conservatives.
There’s ample money for both.
I stand by the money comment, there’s zero indication there isn’t money to complete both coastal hardening projects, and robust disaster relief.
I stand by the conservative comment because Manchin and the like are conservative in all but name. More directly, desantis and such openly avoid collaboration with the democratic white house out of spite
I stand by the money comment
That’s fine. But it isn’t just a question of money. Its a question of expertise and manpower. At some point, you have a soft cap on the volume of intellectual and engineering man hours at your disposal. Funneling our best and brightest into a Pentagon vanity project means drawing down the pool of skilled workers in other industries.
It’s the same problem modern mathematics and physics is having with the financials industry. Anyone who excels at high level mathematics gets sucked up to do HFT at some Wall Street hedge fund. They spend their best years combing over market data for optimizing arbitrage in regional commodities prices. The modern day Hawkings and Einsteins are very likely tied up inventing new ways to raid your pension funds, rather than spearheading the next generation of astronomy and physics.
In the same way, the trillions we spend on the F-35 are drawing people into a field that exists exclusively for the cat-and-mouse of perimeter intrusion. Meanwhile, civil engineering is a field for neo-babies looking for government sinecures and B-students who don’t realize they’re getting into a retreating field.
Manchin and the like are conservative in all but name
Conservatives-in-all-but-Name are a big chunk of the party. Manchin isn’t the exception in the Senate, he’s just the name we all recognize. Gillibrand and Hickenlooper and Ossoff and Durbin and King and Tester and on and on… they’re all along for the ride.
DeSantis is a freak on social issues. But on fiscal austerity and “business-friendly” subsidies, he’s right in line with the Dems in his state’s congressional delegation.
I agree with much of your comment but must say I feel you moved the goalposts a bit from raw funds to expertise and manpower. I understand your draw argument, but would contend that it’s not that overlapped a Venn diagram. There aren’t that many aerospace engineer / civil engineer hybrids that you’re losing staff from one to the other.
I feel you moved the goalposts a bit from raw funds to expertise and manpower
When you’re the US Feds, money isn’t real. You can spend 20% of GDP while carrying a $35T debt and nobody cares.
But you still need to spend the money on stuff. You can’t buy a trillion in waffles because that many waffles don’t exist. Similarly, you can’t hire $2T in engineering talent over 10 years without depleting a well of talent shared by other engineering professions.
You’re creating an enormous vacuum in the industry when you can pay 2x-5x what other engineers are making and you’re employing thousands of people for the job over a decade.
There aren’t that many aerospace engineer / civil engineer hybrids
This isn’t a question of “hybrid”. This is a question of “which college has the best graduate salaries?” and “which professors are in the highest demand into the next decade?”
$2T over ten years is it’s own (very lucrative) industry. That’s before you get into the draw this has on electrical engineers and materials specialists and management training.
Look, I agree its bad but let’s not blow it out of proportions here. It is not the “world’s strongest hurricane” it is only the 4th world’s strongest hurricane. Major difference.
it is only the 4th world’s strongest hurricane
So far
I detect a distinct hint of sarcasm.
The familiar scent of facetiousness?
It’s gonna be the 1st strongest hurricane to hit the same area less than 14 days from the last hurricane.
Either the money won’t come and she’ll blame Democrats for that, or the money will come despite her and she’ll take credit for it.
it’s the natural way of things for republican politicians
I mean it seems to work for them so it’s unlikely they’ll stop
As is tradition.
“Either the money won’t come and she’ll blame Democrats”
already happening, she must think that the wasted lives will be worth the bad democrats press she squeezes out of it
I kinda get the accelerationist-like game plan conservatives are doing here (voting down funding and then blaming the other political side), but it’s just so evil considering that alternative options would actually help people and achieve the same effect.
Vote for relief funding, maybe do some “helping” for press photos to look good, spend some billionaire money that conservatives aren’t lacking for fundraisers then boast about it, calling democrats and current administration ineffective. Same result but it might save lives with the added bonus that nobody can call you out on lying.
Is it really so hard to do some good every once in a while? It really feels like conservatives are allergic to morally good deeds.
They operate on fear and hate. Helping people won’t activate either of those.
This right here. If people are outside of a perpetual state of fear, they might get the room to think and question how things are done and who gets which share of the wealth.
It’s way easier to sit in your office and screeeeeeeee.
That’s their platform, they obstruct anything that might help unless the democrats accept moving rightward in the process. They’ve been doing it since Obama at least
They have been doing it for 50 years, it has just expanded and grown increasingly sinister:
First, the Two Santas strategy dictates, when Republicans control the White House they must spend money like a drunken Santa and cut taxes to run up the U.S. debt as far and as fast as possible.
This produces three results: it stimulates the economy thus making people think that the GOP can produce a good economy; it raises the debt dramatically; and it makes people think that Republicans are the “tax-cut Santa Clauses.”
Second, when a Democrat is in the White House, Republicans must scream about the national debt as loudly and frantically as possible, freaking out about how “our children will have to pay for it!” and “we have to cut spending to solve the crisis!” Shut down the government, crash the stock market, and damage US credibility around the world if necessary to stop Democrats from spending money.
https://www.milwaukeeindependent.com/thom-hartmann/two-santas-strategy-gop-used-economic-scam-manipulate-americans-40-years/Wreck the government, then point to the Democrats and loudly claim everything is all their fault…
Same shit here in the UK, Fuckers spent 20 billion on no one even knows what the week before they got kicked out.
A “no” vote is a siege, framing a hurricane’s destruction as a wrathful act of god sent to punish a lesson into Pinocchio is accelerationist
That’s quite a sentence
Carlo Collodi’s self-loathing is quite a force
Our infrastructure is garbage. Our power was out for 2 days last time and Helene barely grazed us. Like one band hit us a bit. This one is heading straight at us so I expect to lose power for a few days at least. DeSantis is a fucking dumb piece of shit. But hey, he refused to talk to Harris to try to score a few political points and the braindead boomers will be going insane with joy.
Buckle up. From what you’ve said and my old experience with hurricanes from the past (I live in VA now and we rarely get touched), you’re going to be out of power a week at minimum. I’d bet on much more. If you haven’t already, get whatever supplies you can. I’m sure they’re mostly gone at this point, but if you’re in the path and your ground is already saturated, you’re going to be hurting. Ideally, get the fuck out, but it’s probably too late for that.
A few days? Mate, I hope that’s the case, but my experience with direct hits from cat 3+ hurricanes is weeks to months. Only the lucky get it back quickly.
The conservative politicians will do everything they can to make sure the locals suffer as hard as possible so they can use the horrifying footage and stories for a Hail Mary marketing push.
Conservatives will play victim and pretend Dems did this to them. Their dumb bullshit will not work this time. The Dems are ready and will be campaigning with the fucking receipts.
I am truly sad that so many innocent people are being harmed by these conservative-caused climate disasters and the deadly conservative mishandling of them.
Victimhood is their identity. I was reading, just yesterday, about how christians were not persecuted any more than any other non-Roman religion. But we all know the stories of christians being fed to lions. They want the mythology.
I, sadly, call bullshit. The last time the democrats were actually good at pushing back forcefully with campaign messaging was when I was still in diapers. Now add in that democratic points actually need a modicum of thought put into them to accept them, while republican points are like grade school insults and comebacks that just ‘sound good,’ and I doubt we’ll get big gains from republican-precipitated disasters.
Edit: Seriously… think about how many people believed that photo of trump wading through floodwaters. And how many others don’t even care about obviously fake images like that, choosing to have the idea that such things are normal and okay.
True. There may not be a peaceful solution to this infestation. The peace agreement between normal people and conservative shitbags has been eroded to nearly nothing at this point.
Of course there isn’t. They lost the Civil War and while y’all shoulda finished the job, they’ve been trying to get back at everyone since. The fact that there are confederate flags flown freely is insane to me, an outsider. Truly the ultimate “cuckolding” — they attempted to murder you en masse, lost, but still parade like they won, without consequence.
Way too much tolerance of the intolerant.
It won’t matter to these people how much Democrats fire back with messaging. In their proudly ignorant minds Democrats will always be liars and thieves who kept money from the poor Republican states even if the truth is staring them right in their stupid fucking faces.
If it passed in spite of her dissent, she’ll take credit for it with her constituents. They always do.
I strongly encourage all Florida pure bloods to stay out of the FEMA death camps. Shelter in place.
Fun Fact: when you’re heating the sewage water to drink in your flooded town, you don’t actually need to boil it. It’s fine to just heat it up until you can’t keep your hand in the water for ten seconds, that means it’s hot enough to kill bacteria.
Guys, i think this a sarcasm.
Found the Deep State Baby Eater
Real Patriots Know The Truth when They Hear it 🇱🇷
While you’re giving good advice, remember to tell these poor folks in the path that staying in the house is not the safest option. They need to be outside the house, or any other form of potential collapse or collateral damage such as cars, sheds, trees, etc. They need to huddle about 15 feet away from any of those things, keeping the object of choice between them and the wind.
If an American flag is nearby, grab it and wrap yourself and your family in it, praying to god with all your might so he will protect you. My aunt Mildred had to do that in Helene, and god saved her by wrapping his holy hands over her family.
“God should smite the sinners!”
“Wait, no, not like that!”
Republicans: As long as it hits Democrats too…
Reminded of the aftermath of Ida, during which the wealthier districts in Mississippi and Alabama got immediate and substantive bailouts while the poorer municipalities were left to rot.
It’s happened before, it will happen again. Your proximity to power will determine the relief you receive.
You see that soulless glare on the faces of a lot of people who have traded their morals for profit.
She’s in good company with the GOP, very on brand to be an ignorant cunt throwing your constituent’s corpses at the rising tidal waters of reality.
and either they dont smile or they smile like psychopaths
Tampa Bay and Orlando are two of the largest tourist cities in the state. I’m curious to see what the honorable representatives from Disney and Universal Studios are going to say in the aftermath of this thing.
I would laugh my ass off if Disney World (or Disney Land or whatever it’s called, I’m not American) got destroyed.
If Disney is destroyed, the federal government will earmark a billion dollars to rebuild it.
Tear down this Magic Kingdom and Walt’s Ghost (plus an enormous traunch of taxpayer money) will see it rebuilt in three days.
Disneyland is in California, Disneyworld is in Florida.
Source: I live near Disneyland
Id wager the park would be mostly fine, Its in the center of the
panhandlelong part that extends off the continent which should be the thing we call the pandhandle so the hurricane has to cover alot of ground to cover before it reaches it in force. Most likely looking at alot of damage to window and facades, with some flooding damage.Source: I am a stranger on the internet doing guesswork and gutfeels on a natural phenomenon I’ve never experienced myself.
Edit: God damn… Disneyworld is like dead center in this hurricanes path. They’re about to get wrecked.
Disney World is in the center if the Penninsula, not the panhandle. it’s in Orlando not Tallahassee.
TIL: the panhandle in the term Florida Panhandle refers to the bit in red and not the bit in white. I will take no responsibility for this error and argue that the term is worded horribly. Its clear as day to me that this white bit is the handle of the us, hanging off its end like a dong…
I don’t think “panhandle” has a strict definition but it tends to mean a bit of a state that sticks out into what rightfully should be another state. Oklahoma’s panhandle is the most obvious example of one. West Virginia has two. Florida’s panhandle is the part that should be Alabama’s coastline.
Is she living in that district, though?
Why would a maga rep actually live near the people they represent? They are grifters, not actual representatives of anyone. I’d be surprised if she even lives in Florida at all.
Lived in Panama City Beach during Hurricane Michael (2018). GOP mayor stole funds from hurricane relief, used them to hold parties on yaughts, bought a new house in Jacksonville and finally got sentenced… To 1 month in jail.
Side note: when Trump came down to see the damage in Panama City Beach/Panama City/down to Tyndall Air Force Base, he only wanted to go with her, not the mayors of either of those 2 cities.
My point exactly
Is this another non white woman that’s a Republican? Talk about a traitor… Jesus Christ
I was all set to say that a lot of Cubans seem to be so anti communist that they’re pro fascist. But she’s not Cuban. I assumed wrongly. She was born in California.
Talk about a traitor…
To be a traitor, you had to pretend at loyalty to begin with. I don’t see anything in her background to suggest she was ever more than a stooge for the GOP.
That’s very common among Cuban ex-pats. The community is inundated in right-wing revanchism and a burning sense of entitlement and hatred. Every time a liberal US politician tries to reopen diplomatic and trade relations with Cuba, the dead-enders lash out. Every time a conservative promises more sanctions, more embargo, and a tighter siege of the island, they start prepping their boats for Bay of Pigs 2. The Cuban lobby isn’t as bad as AIPAC, but not for lack of trying.
All so they can say, “Look how little the Biden administration is doing for the people of Florida!”
Literally putting life and property on the chopping block for their political posturing.
