At least 206 Jewish anti-Israel protesters were arrested Monday after hundreds rushed the New York Stock Exchange and staged a sit-in outside the Manhattan landmark, police said.
Scores of pro-Palestinian protesters wearing red shirts stormed toward the building on Broad Street in Lower Manhattan — then chained themselves to the doors just before the stock market’s opening bell at 9:30 a.m., footage shows.
A handful of demonstrators, who hail from the Jewish Voices for Peace group, could be seen removing their jackets as they set up shop outside the building — jackets they wore in a possible bid to conceal their anti-Israel attire and thwart any attempt to stop them ahead of time.
Good for them and fuck the New York Post.
You can join JFVP for as little as $18 a year.
But someone told me they are sending weapons to Israel for Jewish voters.
Demographic groups aren’t monolithic, for what it’s worth. There is definitely a large pro-Israel contingent of Jewish Americans, too. Not that they deserve to be pandered to, but just that no one is able to represent an entire demographic.
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Source? That’s definitely not true for the younger jews and I think there’s more of us now
There source, apparently, is a poll taken of American Jews. And not a poll they understood very well:
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/05/21/u-s-jews-have-widely-differing-views-on-israel/
Along with the fact that most Israeli Jews want the country in which they live to exist, which… duh.
But, you know, America is the only country with Jews outside of Israel.
In fact, are there any countries besides those two?
most Israeli Jews want the country in which they live to exist, which… duh.
Don’t underestimate the number of Jews in Israel that want a 0 state solution. There are anarchist Israelis. There are antizionist Israelis.
Oh I’m sure there are plenty of Israelis who want that.
But from all I can tell, based on better polling than the person above provided, the majority of Israelis could be described accurately as Zionists.
Their poll was about emotional attachment. You can be “emotionally attached to Israel” because it’s where the Western Wall is. It doesn’t mean you’re a Zionist as OP suggests.
Who elected you to speak on behalf of Jews?
This survey shows a majority of American Jews are Zionists. The percentage of Zionists is much higher among Jews living in Israel. That gives you a solid majority for Zionism among Jews.
Mods won’t like this post and delete it, just like the one you answered to. They might even ban me.
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Let’s embrace Palestinian ultranationalist Islamist blood and soil ideology and demand ethnic cleansing of the Jews back to Europe instead.
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It’s also not an either/or situation. It’s not either the Palestinians have the land or the Israelis have the land.
The land can be shared. So can the government. And that government can be 100% secular.
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Funny how you cite a source that doesn’t even contain the word “Zionist”, “Zionism”, “Zion” anything.
If you actually have a look at the data you can see there’s very significant chunks that don’t have an issue with BDS, that don’t think that Netanyahu is in any way serious about peace. Those are not the frothing-at-the-mouth Kahanites that people on the US left often mean when they say “Zionist”. Yitzhak Rabin was a Zionist. Murdered by a Zionist.
It’s more complicated than that and may I remind y’all that Hamas specifically targeted Hippie Kibutzim during their attack, the same kind of people who go into the West Bank during olive harvest so that settlers have a harder time shooting Palestinians, which is one of the reasons why the Israeli government doesn’t give a rat’s arse about the hostages.
The biggest enemies of the Zionist project, currently, is the type of people running the Israeli government. Because if you’re out for a place for Jews to call home, to live in peace and prosperity, antagonising the fuck out of everyone is not the way to go about it. Traitors to the movement, the lot of them.
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The highest result for the NSDAP in elections was 43%.
Comparing Jews to Nazis is Antisemitic.
They were comparing Jews to Germans, not Nazis; they were comparing Zionists to Nazis.
Also antisemtic
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America and Israel. The only two countries in the world with Jews.
FACT.
Together they contain more than 80% of Jews.
Recent Jewish population dynamics are characterized by continued steady increase in Israeli Jewry and flat or declining numbers in other countries (the diaspora)
I see. So based on your “evidence,” 60% of the percentage of the 80% of Jews that live in America in that combined 80% total of Israel and the U.S. are “Zionists” (even though that’s not what your poll said).
This is what the poll said:
Among U.S. Jews overall, 58% say they are very or somewhat emotionally attached to Israel,
“Somewhat emotionally attached to Israel” is not Zionism by any stretch of the imagination.
Emotionally attached means they want it to continue existing. That’s Zionism.
That survey says the opposite of what you think it does. Zionism now is essentially the Jewish version of white supremacy. It’s radical. It’s dangerous.
But when the survey you link to states quite clearly:
“And most Jewish adults took the position that God “did not literally give” the land of Israel to the Jewish people (42%) or said they do not believe in God or a higher power at all (24%).”
That’s not Zionism as currently defined.
Zionism is independent of being religious or secular.
It’s less about Jewish voters and more about pro-Israel campaign dollars.
Folks just have no clue how powerful the pro-Israel lobby is here. Combined with the zionist Christians it’s kind of a nightmare.
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus?ind=Q05
And their organization against progressive causes wasn’t limited to the national level either, they interfered in LOCAL elections too.
Fake democracy
I prefer the term managed democracy.
Ah yes, managed democracy! Every citizen of Super America enjoys the freedom to make the right choice.
Eh, they disrupted a private business. They were absolutely trespassing. They knew they were trespassing. Forcing an arrest here is part of the civil disobedience and creating this headline.
Oh no! Not a private business, whatever shall we do now?! Poor business has feelings too /s
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To be fair Germany has a right to tread lightly here
Given our history we should strive to do better in the face of atrocities, even more so. It really should not matter, that the state committing these crimes happens to be populated by many ancestors of people the Germans tried to exterminate. I would have thought our commitment to teaching about our historical failures would have taught that lesson to more of us. But apparently recognizing a genocide for what it is is hard still.
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They are not treading lightly. They have developed a transactional relationship with the Israeli right, where they get to rebaptise arms sales, domestic islamophobia, and unconditional support for whatever the Israeli right does as a stance against antisemitism. They shamelessly suppress Israeli leftist positions and diaspora jewish leftist positions and call that a stance against antisemitism.
Germany needs to tread lightly indeed, but that can’t be just a blank check to Apartheid Israel. They owe more than one debt, exactly as Namibia has called it out.
If anything, Germany must first establish a national policy of Germany as a safe haven for Jewish people everywhere. If they were serious about their historic debt to their former victims, there should be a right to aliyah to Germany. Get their own shit in order first, then lecture others.
Fucking antisemites smh my head
Can I say as a JVFP member that this sort of sarcasm is really not helpful to us? Even when it’s sarcastic, it still plays into the idea that if you’re Jewish you support/should support Israel.
One of the things we’re trying to do is work against that stereotype to show that wanting to end genocide has nothing to do with one’s ethnicity.
it still plays into the idea that if you’re Jewish you support/should support Israel.
Even if my intent is that I’m explicitly mocking that idea for being bullshit?
Yes. It should not be brought up at all. There are plenty of other ways to respond to this action.
As an example in a similar situation, I’m hoping you wouldn’t say of a similarly protesting Palestinian group that you guess they’re all terrorists. Even in sarcasm.
It’s not productive. It doesn’t convince any actual person who would say that in earnest that they’re wrong. What they’ll do, if anything, is say “yes, but seriously.”
On top of that, Israel wants people to think Jew = Israeli. Just putting that grain of thought in people’s heads can result in bad things over time.
So there are better responses. Even if you want to express this specific sentiment in a sardonic way. “Watch Israel call this antisemitism” would be one way to go.
I hope that makes sense.
That’s fair. I think the example doesn’t fully fix it though. I’ll come up with something that might even be considered funny (by someone, I’m sure) eventually
guess this one needed the /s homie. Oh well i gotchoo
Oh I just assumed it was because of the “smh my head” part.
Shaking my head my head
If you browse a news aggregator site, you’ll notice how few of the headlines provide any indication the protesters were Jewish rather than just “anti-Israel” or “pro-Palestine”. While the latter is a more precise descriptor of their organizing cause, the former is also a very important aspect for this protest. It’s just not in line with the narrative the corporate news organizations have been cultivating.
Fuck Israel and the US. I recommend everyone to watch Democracy Now’s piece on this
https://youtu.be/ztbvvcn0VNc?si=ZoxOgDAANqL4VJp7
Insane what our country is doing and has been repeatedly doing and still wants to do. If you somehow believe that the US is the “good guy” in any sort of circumstance you are completely and objectively incorrect.
You don’t live in a democracy in the slightest.
Plutocracy
They got arrested, but made hella of statement.
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