• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    I don’t really care about the Engels quote. I want to know exactly how long you expect this to take. Because Earth isn’t getting any cooler, so if this takes any more than 4 or 5 years, it isn’t going to matter.

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        2 months ago

        That’s not an answer. Will it take more than 5 years to end the use of fossil fuels through this revolution?

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              2 months ago

              I really don’t see what your point is with this, first you claimed Socialist states aren’t Socialist because they are Marxist, but that you don’t care about Marxism, and now you’re asking for a guarantee of climate action within 5 years. You’re all over the place. What’s your goal?

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                2 months ago

                This began with me asking you when and where the revolution would take place. You couldn’t tell me. I explained to you that if it doesn’t happen within the next five years, it won’t matter and asked you if it will. You won’t tell me.

                You have given me zero good reasons to join these revolutionary groups that you have named to join, which have not achieved anything and apparently have no actual plans to stage a revolution.

                The revolution had better both happen within the next five years and end our dependence on fossil fuels or it won’t make a difference.

                You don’t seem to get that. You seem to think there’s some sort of long-term future where capitalism slowly disappears and thus we slowly stop burning oil. That’s not how civilization is going to go. It will collapse long, long before that.

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                  2 months ago

                  Are you a nihilist? I can’t make a guarantee that we can establish Socialism and get rid of fossil fuels within 5 years. I can say that AES countries have been far better than average on meeting climate goals.

                  What exactly was the point of you claiming AES states aren’t Socialist? Are you just looking to argue?

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                    2 months ago

                    I didn’t ask if we can. You know what I asked. I asked if it will happen.

                    Funny that you accuse me of arguing in bad faith and yet you won’t answer a simple question. Instead, you answer a question that wasn’t asked.