Get the “ but we’re liberals 🤓” joke out now.
Obviously we’re very far left and vocal about being anti establishment, some things I’ve seen posted here, whilst I won’t admit I agree with :) are pretty sus from a feds perspective. If the site was raided and if people were subject to arrests, what do you think they would be charged with? We’re obviously on a list of course but the same can be said about all people tbh so I don’t really care about that, but since the political sphere in the US is becoming more mask off fash from both parties especially the drump comment about “enemy within” what do you think the future is? Also what crime is committed exactly? Might be a weird example but places like Georgia are racially targeting rappers by using their lyrics as evidence that they have committed crimes, couldn’t something similar happen here on this space? Does anyone have any examples of what the crime committed would be exactly or does it fall under .
I think it’s already been alarming for years but even more so with the multitude of arrests of people in support of Palestine including students who were just present at protests. I’ve seen people on here say we have to be organized etc in order for feds to take an initiative, but who knows exactly.
I just wanna know what crime and what jail I’ll be sent to if it all comes to that
“National Security” or “Preventing Terrorism” would be my guess. It’s what they do in so called “authoritarian” countries. US would also do the same if it sees its state power under threat or if a certain leader come into power.
How many years jail
depends on how he (or she or they (?)) decide to write the order. of course, American Supreme Court won’t do shit. im going with up to 5 years (for no good reason, no trial), though its just a guess.
Reminder that indefinite detention of US citizens is legal, and became so under Obama.
Plus they can shove you in pre-trial detention and deny bail if they want to. And if they do let you out they can stick a gps collar on you and restrict your movement.
That’s not bad
It’s all flim flam. Most likely they’d try to coerce you in to a false confession (a “plea deal”) and give you a couple of years to make sure you’re a felon, then let oyu out on probation in a few months or a year, but they could also send you up for a decade. It’s all made up bullshit.
Guessing terrorism or promoting terrorism.
How many years is that
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the FTC would shut us down for being swag monopolists
Personally my swag is too different and a tactical nuke is headed towards my location as we speak
Rocket league
As it stands, nothing on Hexbear breaches the letter of the law in western countries.
But, the reality is that they can arbitrarily arrest those they want to, and the consequent charge and punishment will be equally arbitrary and dependent on what made “push come to shove”. Any previous examples will be equally arbitrarily charged and sentenced. So the only realistic answer is:
- Crime you’ll be charged with: Anything
- Punishment: Anything between no punishment and death.
But all I do is post fake news? Do you think any federal agent have seen fake news posts? Do they read it with a straight face or do they chuckle a bit
I have had fakenews blocked since forever because it’s truly awful to see. If I was a Federal agent I’d argue for directly funding its active posters.
Nah it’s cool, I’m only mooostly joking
Hey Jim, do you like @Beluga@hexbear.net 's posts?
Nothing, if it gets to that point they’d just kill us. Has the userbase of any forum ever been mass-arrested?
Not even silk road, whose users were collectively doing blatantly illegal shit was treated like that, much less a niche internet forum
Yeah but they weren’t political.
- impersonating police for volcel police.
- inciting jazz music
- gay sorcery
The VOLCEL POLICE are on the scene! PLEASE KEEP YOUR VITAL ESSENCES TO YOURSELVES AT ALL TIMES.
نحن شرطة VolCel.بناءا على تعليمات الهيئة لترويج لألعاب الفيديو و النهي عن الجنس نرجوا الإبتعاد عن أي أفكار جنسية و الحفاظ على حيواناتكم المنويَّة حتى يوم الحساب. اتقوا الله، إنك لا تراه لكنه يراك.
Hate speech against anglos, French and Italians
It’s all satire / parody covered by the first amendment. Not that it would do you a lot of good if you’re just thrown in a van or held indefinitely without trial which would be the most likely outcome I think
The only no-no is actionable threats and those are against the rules here iirc, and I have never seen them
Terrorism, conspiracy, something about being foreign agents, interacting with against some obscure law, and worst of all being
being ridiculously cute.
Antisemitic hate speech (someone said BDS is good)
imo the site would just be shut down in some way. Many of the state’s domestic repressive functions are more easily carried out by non-state actors. Like FICO score or getting categorized as ‘extremist’ in an HR consulting database. This sort of thing materially pushes people into situations where they’d be arrested for something more mundane.
Other than that, there are other forms of carcerality or social ostrisization if people fall outside of social norms in real life. So maybe in IRL we say “hey isn’t making kids say the pledge of allegiance every day sorta weird and bad?” and someone responds that it would be unamerican not to and that their dad died in iraq or something and that the pledge honors them… and etc etc… suddenly vaguely left people irl who were gonna join the DSA but didn’t ever get around to it are indistinguishable from maoist guerillas because US body politic is ridiculous.
Like I’m already “on a list”, but for completely non-political reasons (crimes lol).
I’m pretty sure I’m on multiple lists. Hexbear would just be another one to add to the pile. This list includes:
- Looking at a copy of the Anarchist’s Cookbook from my local library.
- Downloading songs off Napster/Limewire
- Downloading and reading the Unibomber manifesto
- Buying all three volumes of Kapital and the Communist Manifesto.
- Owning a Koran
- Relatives involved in local gangs
- Association with drug addicts
- Relatives who are Feds (I know…ew)
- Basic understanding of how to make a nuclear bomb
- Basic knowledge of making chemical weapons (like nerve gas)
I’m sure there’s more. Those are just the ones I can think of when younger me was a dumbass thinking a firewall was as much security you would ever need back in 2005.
Damn. I just remembered that Bush and Friends tried to get librarians to keep lists of who checked out political books.
or getting categorized as ‘extremist’ in an HR consulting database.
I hope this isn’t why it was so hard for me to find a job
Hopefully you’ll be reassured to learn that McKinsey & Company is one of the larger industry players.
Our made up internets number will be tared by the Committee for un-Amerikkkan Activities, Who will falsely accuse us of being Russian / Chinese / Iranian [insert who isn’t worshiping today] haxors, before promptly being proven wrong.
They will send your ISP a letter, expressing their displeasure. Who will then send you a letter expressing their displeasure of recieving a letter of displeasure.
Of which we will have a hearty laugh - and toss in the trash after posting our pleasure of their itterative letter of displeasure reflecting how much of a thorn we are to Wall Street’s puppets.
They would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn’t for you meddling bears.
Asa Winstanley had his devices taken and his house searched by the pigs, even though he wasn’t charged with anything. This was in the UK where that’s a lot easier for them to do than in the US, but laws are changing every day.
I bring up Asa because I’m familiar with his work and his social media, and I can say what he says is tame compared to us. We’re all pretty openly very supportive of Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran (just yesterday I was asking if someone could help make an Al-Qassam Brigades wallpaper). If we got hit for anything, I think it would be for “supporting terrorism”.
Granted, I really think that would only involve trying to shut down the website, which we could always just create a new one in a worst case scenario. I don’t think going after individual users is really on the table, that would require NSA type action and the feds aren’t going to break out those resources on some poxy commie website.
Same in Germany. If the police search your electronics and find your posting history criticizing Israel, they could use it as proof of what the German state classifies as antisemitic or hate speech.
Gemany is so perverse.
Yeah it sucks because Asa is doing good political journalism but what are we doing except advocating for redacted
This was in the UK where that’s a lot easier for them to do than in the US
Judges in most us jurisdictions will rubber-stamp warrants for raids no matter how ridiculous they are. There aren’t any real barriers to raids and seizures in the us. If they want to they probably can.
And they can be brutal about it. Like breaking doors off hinges, smashing walls and cutting up furniture “looking for evidence” tearing everything you own apart. Just being as cruel as possible to hurt their victims.