Jeremy failson more like. Dickhead buys a farm to dodge taxes, then gets pissy when the tax dode loophole gets a teeny tiny bit more fiddlycult difficult fiddlycult to loo.
Jere not my son more like. jemorony clackson more like

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    The Clarkson’s Farm and former Top Gear presenter will join the protesting farmers - against his doctors’ orders after recent heart surgery.

    "I will be there, despite having letters from doctors telling me not to go on the march and saying I must avoid stress,” he told the Sun.

    There’s an opportunity for something funny to happen

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    Top Gear used to be my favorite show but I can’t even watch their old episodes anymore because Clarkson has become such an insufferable bell end.

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    The answer is obvious but I still have to ask if the farmers have no real shame in their body?

    Who would want to be represented by a television dickhead who bought a farm and then when the contracted local retired, decided that he would do it himself as reality tv and promptly renamed the farm to “diddly squat”.

    Like you wouldnt be offended if you werent a farmer, but if you can imagine being one then wouldn’t you find it a little distasteful for some dickhead with money to roll in and make a big joke out of it?

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        100% of the farmers in this protest are petty-bourgeoisie. They are protesting because the changes are likely going to force them to sell their farms, these sales will go to much bigger farms.

        What’s happening is essentially the petty-bourgeoisie being squeezed by the bourgeoisie.

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        So, in the UK they have special ancestral bullshit about land ownership, and agricultural land is extra special and has all sorts of tax and inheritance gimmees that the oligarchs use to do oligarch things.

        They dont ‘have the same interests’; its literally the same people.

        The same way american farmers are, by area, mostly corporations, but scammier

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        Oh yes definitely, but don’t they have some invented mythology and folksy pride to them?

        Have they all just beocome indistinguishable from finance worms and the other standard ghouls?

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          Well you see they get a lot of money from the government and they’re all massively in debt as long as they don’t sell their land, but if they do they’re millionaires, but they don’t, so that means they’re working class

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      They think Jezza is cool and the man. My brain melted when I saw he had a an article published in a newspaper in Britain, and it started pouring out of my ears when I realised he was a regular columnist. He had an actual column in an actual newspaper and it wasn’t about cars and farts, but politics.

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      I thought the same at the beginning, but after working for few years in agriculture, he is actually presenting real problems every farmer has, not only British bourgeoisie.

      He put more spotlight on farming issues than all non profit organisations together.

      Of course they support him. Yeah he is a bit crazy and looks disrespectful on the first look, but give it a chance he is actually highlighting even ecological issues around farming.

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      I don’t think so. I gather there are three kinds of farmers in the us

      • massive aggrobusinesses

      • petit boug who own enough land to turn a profit and have enough revenue to hire significant amounts of labor.

      • poor farmers who have capital but are at best servicing their debts and cannot afford to either improve their profitabilty or sell their effectively worthless capital and get out.

      I think that pattern holds in much of the west and probably outside the west, with the poor farmers constantly getting fucked by the machinations of empire while the agribusinesses reap most of the benefits and the petit boug landholders cost by on a combination of profits and subsidies.

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        I don’t know if the “poor farmer” really exists on anything beyond an anecdotal level. Most often they can break even if they sell their land and machines, at least as far as I’ve been able to find. Not saying there are NO situations where that isn’t the case, but that those situations are like the “my uncle smoked cigars his whole life and never got sick” amount of times it’s actually the case. In large parts of the west you can even draw direct lineage back to old nobility for almost all farmers (who aren’t just a big corporation)

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          I know a small number of people who are small scale farmers caught in debt traps. Met most of them at work, as they had to hold regular jobs to stay remotely solvent. But, you’re right, it’s a small number of people.

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            And that sounds like you’re moreso describing somebody who is trying to break into the agricultural industry, rather than someone who is a farmer. This is just me being a pedantic word-fucker though

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          They definitely exist. Used to do water sampling in Arkansas, they are entirely reliant on various government subsidies and tax exemptions. I never felt particularly bad for them given their almost total disregard for the environment, but they weren’t usually exploiting people outside their own families.

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    Some of these farmers protests are legit, but others are rich landowners complaining that they have to pay 1% more taxes or do more bureaucracy. I’m spanish, “the farmers” also got pissy when the milquetoast socdem government said that there would be slighly more labour inspections. God forbids someone asks them why there are so many undocumented migrants working like slaves.

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      This protest is petty-bourgeoise farmers being squeezed by the bourgeoisie via inheritance tax. The tax is likely to cause many of them to sell their farms, which will be bought by much bigger farming corporations.

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      The same thing happened here in Alberta, the brief interlude of a centrist government a few years back, made it so farm hands had to be covered by basic safety codes all other workers are allowed and they freaked out and threw a hissy fit. They even got an exemption so their family farm hands would remain exempt from basic safety protections.

      Oh and the starting inspecting the housing offered for the farm hands and told them no you cannot shove 16 workers into a tiny work shed, with threats of deporting then if they talk.

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    does anyone know the marxist class analysis of tenant farmers in the modern day? Are they peasants? Are they proles? Are they some sort of petit bourg chimera?

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      The tax is an inheritance tax for any farmer with net assets over £1m. This might sound like a lot to you and me, but the value comes from mostly inflated land values, and doesn’t take into account farmer income which is typically not amazing.

      So a lot of farmers who are doing even moderately okay will essentially not be able to pass their land on to their children without their kids forking out near £60k

      The government thinks it will affect only 500 farms, so I interpret this that it was meant to be a tax on the hyper wealthy farmers, but it seems completely out of whack with the number of middle-class to working-class farmers it will actually affect.

      TLDR: Farmers are spectrum of classes, but even the poorest hold assets with measurable value.

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        farmers who are doing even moderately okay will essentially not be able to pass their land on to their children without their kids forking out near £60k

        So they have to pay 60k to receive more a than a million in assets? Seems like a pretty good deal and one you’ll easily be able to get a loan for

        working-class farmers

        If you have net assets of more than a million pounds, you’re not really working class

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          get a loan for

          Yeah, and pay it off with what? A lot of farms run on really thin margins.

          net assets of more than a million pounds, you’re not really working class

          Again, I’m not so sure. Plenty of people I know work 2-3 jobs to make ends meet but happen to own a home they bought cheap before their area gentrified.

          The housing market has severely skewed any sense of normalcy on land and property values, and it’s not like those who own houses are getting dividends on the change in the value of the house.

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            Yeah, and pay it off with what? A lot of farms run on really thin margins.

            The farm.

            If the UK ag sector is so unprofitable they can’t handle a 20 percent tax every few decades, it doesn’t deserve to exist any more than any other UK industry that’s collapsed and been offshored.