Forget the brainworms.
The only thing that matters is working class vs ruling class.
Brainworms can be solved if you can first get people on working class vs ruling class. You have them listening to prole agitators instead of the bourgeoise. The brainworms were injected by the fact they’ve been listening to the bourgeoise in the first place, once you get them away from that and into a communist sphere of influence you can melt them away.
I agree with you completely. It’s clear he gives a shit about the greater good even if his analysis sucks. The latter can be fixed. Well not in this guy’s case — he’s fucked.
Yeah my point is not so much about this guy but how discussion about this guy can be channeled. Not just this guy but the sentiment “shooting CEOs is good actually” is literally everywhere now, which is NEVER going to be something the right supports.
A highly upvoted comment on Ben Shapiro’s video condemning the shooting was “if the left supports this call me a leftist then”.
All we have to do to actually get people to hear us out is use the right language when they open the door, then fix the brainworms once they’re actually listening to us. The biggest barrier is getting them to listen in the first place.
Gotta strike while the irons hot. People are temporarily amenable to radical action, so they will be more willing to listen to ideas they normally tune out
To be true, it need to be consistent against discrimination that divide the working class (such as racism, patriarchy and imperialism). So one who imply in class struggle, shall not be class first However I honestly didn’t get how this kind of position could be right wing. There is consistent left position in both atheism and religious. Moreover, both religion and political atheism are trusted by far right.
I don’t think we need to create perfect communists.
What we need to create is a party large enough and organised enough to seize the moment. And a proletariat angry enough to do revolution.
ANY party that is large and well organised enough to… ORGANISE… Will defacto become the vessel of revolution because people will be forced into supporting whatever is realistic and available when it happens.
Hamas for example has all the weapons, largely because of supporting allies in Hezbollah and Iran. This used to be the PFLP but then the soviet union fell and that’s where their supplies were from so they’ve dropped off as the most realistic vessel for resistance in Palestine, people support the most realistic thing that can do resistance and that thing happens to be who has the most weapons.
The same scenario plays out in revolutions around the world. Those with the most organisational power (and the most ability to do violence) will leap to the forefront of a revolutionary situation. The people will want neither of the main parties, they will want whatever the most realistic next possible is. The job of communists is to become that and be ready for the opportunity, then seize it decisively when it comes and fend off opposition.
The members of the party need to be perfect communists, for obvious reasons, the party needs to be led well and have good ideology. The people that follow it do not, it’s beneficial but not important for purism among the proletariat itself.
what no theory does to a mf
Materially done more than most online MLs tho to be fair
What got accomplished here? United replaced their CEO the same day and their stock price went up. This’d be a viable take if there were any copycats; and honestly, will be a viable take if copycats DO jump out-- but they haven’t yet. Words are wind. Let’s see some motion.
This isn’t the one to lionize. Like, I’m not hunkering down in a foxhole next to some cracker I know was talm bout “DEI” and “woke” just last week, if anything, that’s the mfer I’m gonna use as a bullet catcher when I need to move out and draw fire.
He’s not throwing away his shot
The right has done more this year than the left has on decades. The first trump shooter. Arguably the second trump bush guy. And now the adjuster.
Pretty pathetic
Should the left be planning more political assassinations?
What do you mean by more?
More than now. More than zero.
Time to get those numbers up
Subscribing to a grounded theory is banned in Ivy League schools. Prove you are a genius and invent your own theory!
The more complicated and granular it is, the more writing-on-mirrors tortured genius it must be, I assume. (Nobody is going to check)
And this is the cracker that white hexbear wants to lionize…
And this is the cracker that white hexbear wants to lionize…
same shit I feel
It’s pretty fucked
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Remember when speaking with those outside of Hexbear: Someone who expresses right-wing ideas while performing leftist actions (or vice versa) is truly neither left nor right, they are an inconsistent reactionary. If we resonate with a left-wing action taken by a reactionary, then we are resonating with the leftist aspect of the action and not the reactionary aspect of the actor.
In this way we can hopefully support the action while also decoupling ourselves from criticisms of the actor. If that’s something you want to do in this situation.
So… Critical support?
idk i’m not really ready to call it, although i am ready to shitpost toward that general sentiment
ReadFanon@hexbear.net recently gave a good summary of the leninist position and i don’t disagree with it. but i’m also not convinced that a little black cat action on the side really hurts things.
Fair enough it’s not like this will ultimately change things
I thought about it a little more and I think it’s probably best just to go with “critical support” since the deed is already done.
The importance of refocusing adventurism on organized efforts seems diminished when there is hardly any adventurism - and hardly an party politics - to begin with.
But I’d still rather not be the arbiter of that decision lol
Well, adventurism isn’t going to get society there. It might inspire some people to organize, or at least gather around an issue. When something seen as tragic or heroic happens, it sometimes inspires people to do something about it, but it might as well have no results. Even if all of the ceo died today, tomorrow just as many would be in their places.
Yes I very much agree with that. The system has endless options for bodies to fill chairs. Nothing really changes until there are systemic changes, which adventurism alone cannot achieve.
My reason for support is more measured - people are inspired but 99.999% will not follow in his footsteps. We can be there to show them that they can contribute to change without doing anything so grand. The energy right now can be directed toward basic activities, seized by reactionaries, or it can dissipate. I don’t think the first option is realistic unless we show a little critical support.
Also I think it’s pretty alienating in this moment not to. I’ve seen a small minority of people (including all of the US media) oppose this particular event strongly and they sounded really disconnected.
While tragic, him being a right winger doesn’t un-shoot the ceo
This is from 2022 though. NY Post was claiming he was posting anti-capitalist and Ted Kazinsky shit somewhere. I haven’t seen it. His twitter stops 2022 and I suspect that’s around when his relative got fucked by United. I suspect he becomes a theoryless anticapitalist or anarchist.
It should always be assumed that lone wolf assassins have some wild highly individualistic personal theories if any.
He reviewed Kaczynski’s book on Goodreads apparently
Americans (and most people really) are gonna have incoherent politics without clear ideology.
he was still retweeting up until June (i think NY post is just lying)
Bah I was confused by the pinned tweet. Yeah he’s an Ivy League tech bro through and through.
Looks like he has a mishmash of stupid opinions, but his manifesto is pretty good, and his actions were very good. Critical support for green Mario.
I can fix him.
i mean, yeah, you can neuter anyone with balls
This is going to further entrench the, concerningly common, idea that the right wing is currently more anti-establishment than the left.
It’s more of a symptom that the left does not exist in America, so that disenfranchised people turn to the populist right which then funnels away all the radical energy.
What has the left, if there exists such a movement, done to advance healthcare rights during a global pandemic over the last few years, an opportunity handed to them on a platter? The answer is none, if anything they completely folded to the establishment narrative. So there shouldn’t be any surprise why the left keeps losing ground in America.
I don’t think he’s an ideologically committed right winger tho, he just has a confused ideology because he’s the perfect target demographic for the algorithm to serve right wing shit to. His twitter feed is pretty much what I’d expect from an average techbro college student.
he just has a confused ideology
There’s is an entire ideology for techbros that exists as an outgrowth of Deluze/Guattari, Lyotard and Mark Fisher which often mixes with the Kazinsky/Linkola/Hardin set at the “green” edges. It’s modern advocates are the Curtis Yarvin, Nick Land, and Hoppe. They literally name their magazines shit like Thermidor Magazine, their ideological views are based on similar history that Marxism is. In fact many of them have read Marx and agree with various observations historical, ideological, and sociological, but not the prescriptions.
It’s not “confused”, it simply has the following premises:
- History does not trend toward progress
- People are not are equal
- The over class (often based on some kind of “philosopher king” or “titan of industry” vague qualification, but at their most honest are often explicitly racist) deserve the “fire of Prometheus” (technology, capital, power) because only they can wield it responsibly.
- The under class do not deserve the “fire of Prometheus” because they cannot form a stable society (insert more racism/bullshit here)
- By accelerating the contradictions they see in society, they can force a cataclysm that consolidates and binds the underclass and reinvigorates the over class.
It’s a messianic reskinning of capitalist boom and bust cycles. They aren’t confused. They know what they’re saying. They simply cannot close their eyes to the types of observations that they’ve heard from leftists that resonate with them, they simply decide on different causes and different rectifications.
You’re not gonna fight this on “leftist” ground simply because some of them also hate healthcare. They’ll agree with your arguments on healthcare and ignore you for the rest.
For the record, your posts on this subject are a breath of fresh air. It’s so tiring seeing all the idiots on this website tripping over themselves to justifying their continued desire to lionize this guy.
Mostly all He/Hims too, but I doubt pointing that out would be taken very well. What a shocker that it’s he/hims that have no issue with their favorite special ‘heroic’ twink of the day being a reactionary acclerationist.Mostly all He/Hims too, but I doubt pointing that out would be taken very well. What a shocker that it’s he/hims that have no issue with their favorite special ‘heroic’ twink of the day being a reactionary acclerationist.And probably all white; considering I haven’t seen one em_poc poster actively rallying for him in the wake of the (alleged, bc I don’t really know how much I believe Luigi == Robin Hoodie reporting just yet) information hitting the 24/7 news cycle.
I know this is a real ideological current but I don’t think the average techbro dude that reposts Elon tweets knows anything about any of this.
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I don’t really understand what I’m seeing here tbh, the only person I recognize is Sam Harris.
That doesn’t make any sense. The crux of right wing ideology is that profit is the highest virtue, and if someone can’t afford the commodified necessities of life this results in, then they don’t deserve to live. Why would they kill one of their heroes?
he loves tech CEOs maybe it’s just a turf thing.
Its really easy to worship the boot when you’re the one doing the stomping. Whole lot harder when you’re under it.
I’m no conspiracy theorist, and I don’t have any other corroborating evidence, but his banner has an x-ray. I’m wondering if our guy got himself into serious medical debt with a denied claim, read the :deny-defend-depose: book and went from there?
what funny is it isn’t anywhere on his goodreads list. maybe he picked it up in the last 6 mos and didn’t log it
i guess it’s possible he became laser focused obsessed in the last 6 mos after his own issues and his grandparents died. best case scenario really.
He falls off Twitter and the injury picture are my only “evidence”
maybe he picked it up in the last 6 mos and didn’t log it
Oh he logged it. Gave it a three out of six if I recall
Seems like the most likely scenario. If he’s a standard brainwormed techbro he might not have cared or thought about health insurance until it fucked him over personally and decided to take things into his own hands
He also wanted to get into AI/ML, so I can easily see him reading United’s use of AI for denials and get even more driven.
To the right-libertarian, the truest believer in free markets and capitalism in the abstract, a monopolistic corporation is a scandal. These sorts of middlemen are not part of the libertarian’s idealized conception of capitalism. Therefore this CEO would be preventing the smooth and morally good functioning of capitalism.
He’s basically an ancap
, which imo fits perfectly well on the right-wing side of things.I think this guy has personal experiences due to some sort of spinal fusion seen in his Twitter banner. So, his politics may only be a part of his motive.
A good thing to remember is that an-caps believe that it is government regulations that mess up the market operating ‘correctly’, and that ‘Obama-care’ manipulated the ‘free market’ and forced healthcare insurance corporations onto the American public.
They can absolutely hold a grudge against ‘corporatists and statists’. The fact of the matter is that regardless of his ideology, even if he was an an-cap this doesn’t actually do anything. It’s good and funny because CEO’s are some of the most worthless people on the planet, but not exactly a project builder.
He did seem to drop off the radar, cut contact with friends and family for 6 months.
So while he probably does have incoherent and reactionary beliefs. Judging his motives from old posts may not accurate.
He could have turned into the correct kind of communist or gone fully fash or something way weirder in that time.
Wonder what his manifesto says.
i think if it’s trash we’ll see it. if it’s based we won’t
He apparently set up his youtube account to post a video of him reading it in 2 days. the account will probably get banned, but I wonder if he had other accounts set up, or on other streaming sites
there’s no proof the youtube account is him it’s most likely fake given you can change your @ on youtube and the channel description is just a copy paste of his twitter bio
just saw it myself. should have dropped immediately as a techbro he has got to know they’re going to shut down his socials
My theory is that he is just really smart (Ivy league/private school education) and set up a hard/alt-right social media presence years in advance while planning this hero mission so when/if he got caught the right would be blamed for the act/radicalization.
Smart assassins change, flee to Russia, and Dremel their Glock into shards and throw it in the Hudson
Well we’re gonna find out soon enough unless the popo doesn’t take down the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCraQ_E1ffrxpDwUg-9KQgjA
Edit: whelp it’s gone already
Lmao
Concerning
Ngl i don’t really care lol he still did the damn thang
He’s already had his folk hero status revoked
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Hexbear is going to be really funny for the next couple of weeks as the inevitable struggle session is going to be lit.
It’s so fucking funny that eveyrone on this site would essentially dog pile this dude’s tweets if they were posted here without a source, and anyone defending them would be insta-banned for “defending fascism”. Ironically instead of contending with the messiness of the world in terms of how to fix it, Hexbear will now contend with the messiness of the world in terms of it’s vibes and aesthetics.
It also shows how many of y’all actually read theory. I didn’t start reading his tweets until they were posted individually, and I was like “oh he’s a Yarvin guy” immediately. It’s super funny that this site is so concerned with sea-lioning literally falls for one of the biggest “we gotta kill em all because only we truly care” type sea-lioning arguments from the people on the right most deserving of a wedgie for rubbing their two brain cells together. (Yes there are people more pathetic than Ben Shapiro out there, at least Ben Shapiro secures the bag)
Y’all gonna become fascists simply by watching S. Craig Zahler movies. Such incredible and cowardly ideological weakness from those mostly concerned with aesthetic presentations of ideology and it makes them no better than libs.
Just calling a spade a spade. The guy is right wing and I find that funny because it was imo the most likely outcome.
It seems like you’re advocating for a sort of “live and let live” approach to organizing, which I understand when it’s about MLs tolerating anarchists and vice versa. But willfully ignoring fascist tendencies, well, ends up with fascists on your side. Which is just as toxic as the things you’re worried about.
The best path is to be brutally, honestly aware about each and every potential ally and make an assessment from the facts of that person and the situation you’re in. There is no absolute way about it and every path has traps.
It seems like you’re advocating for a sort of “live and let live” approach to organizing, which I understand when it’s about MLs tolerating anarchists and vice versa. But willfully ignoring fascist tendencies, well, ends up with fascists on your side. Which is just as toxic as the things you’re worried about.
Yeah except I’m not. If I was to fully describe the irony that is happening here it is this: “Hexbear culture is now seemingly tolerating if not out and out celebrating a fascist for something he’s done, but will not tolerate a fascist in order to get them to do something they would find worthy of celebration.”
For a culture that says “there can be no compromise with fascists”, they have certainly found one, and they refuse to not only admit it, but they will continue to refuse the idea whose logical ends they are effectively cheering on.
Likewise the online inter ML/anarchist hatred is mostly based on aesthetics and vibes. That makes the issue of online ML/anarchist collaboration effectively the same problem as MLs cheering on a fascist for doing something they like, while pretending that they’ll be able to hang every fascist in the US all 320M of them.
For a culture that says “there can be no compromise with fascists”, they have certainly found one, and they refuse to not only admit it, but they will continue to refuse the idea whose logical ends they are effectively cheering on.
Get they asses.
I think I misinterpreted your original comment but I completely agree with your conclusion,
Same
I think I agree with you but what do you think is the correct course of action here?
So my take seeing this guys ideology is that this will just communicate that men with a chip on their shoulder are fine to kill whoever they dislike but because it’s a ceo everyone’s vibing.
Like revolution without class consciousness is just violence imo
and this “revolutionary act” is now just a dude killing someone he didn’t like. Just so happens we don’t like CEOs either so it muddies what I see as now (with his ideology as context) just a white dude popping off again.It’s still funny that awful ceo is dead but like it’s not a win for socialism or class consciousness
Yeah I’m absolutely dying at people using the word “praxis” at this. Not only is it not “praxis” in the typical philosophical context (theory into action), in the Marxist context “praxis” doesn’t actually mean good things. “Praxis” in the Marxist context is “human activity”. Marx came up with a really cool sounding way to say “We need to see how this plays out to figure out what communism is, so lets all do stuff to figure it out.” Then online commenters jumped on a word that made them feel smart. “Praxis” in that sense is also a curse in the vein of “may you live in strange times”.
Most people who advocated “praxis” never had to actually live through or be targets of the upheaval that bore fruit. Using it for this situation is just advocating for action for action’s sake which is literally just fash, or advocating for accelerationism which is literally what this guy was, a right wing accelerationist.
It’s obvious that there’s nothing to learn here anymore guys.
people are learning about this and processing it at different rates. this site generally sees regular traffic of accounts stopping by once a day, or every few days, or daily. the hexbear collective opinion is processing this at different stages. some people weren’t able to personally read through his socials before they started going private
just let everyone absorb this. news is still coming out. i’m reading rumors everywhere that really confuse things. i’m not making anymore declarations about this until a few days passed.
I mean sure I agree, but this conversation isn’t “just” about the Adjuster. The admins in the last site wide struggle session claimed they want to move the culture away from shitposting, but the problem is that the democratic centralism that the site runs on effectively binds the culture and makes the only “safe” outlet shitposting.
Anyone who’s been in leftist spaces esp. online for a long time has seen this kinda shit. It’s why we’re talking about this like we’re gonna get banned for it. It also shows the reactionary tendencies that under gird this site, that’s the problem with democratic centralism in practice, you don’t really get to ask why, like Amazon you disagree and commit.
the problem is that the democratic centralism that the site runs on effectively binds the culture and makes the only “safe” outlet shitposting.
astute observation, succinctly stated. thank you.
how would you recommend this be fixed?
You effectively can’t, at least in a purely in an additive way. Unlike Stalin this site uses democratic centralism not to maintain some kind of power structure, but as a way to provide an objective safe space for various people. The cost of that safe space is the curtailing of discussion about the practical aspects and difficult edges of organizing, politics and theory.
Switching to a more subjective moderation to promote discussion would put people at risk of having to deal with the discussions whether in good faith or not regarding things that may feel unsavory and unsafe. Also let’s be honest, there isn’t that much basic discussion of theory that goes on here in comparison to the shit posting, so the change really wouldn’t matter as much.
Unfortunately the left doesn’t have the easy simple problem of “eternal September” to contend with, we have an “eternal September” that has to be intersectional. It’s in general a problem of trust, and it’s a hard one to solve for online communities.
Like I was rooting for him but finding out he’s a chud it’s like this isn’t fucking praxis lmao. It’s just a grudge.
I’m like yapping but…
Temp ban 3 days, reason: reddit false equivalency/doomerism/liberalism in
If they ban you they better be prepared to ban me too ig.
Nothing about this is ‘revolutionary’ until more motion happens. People can mouth the right words, or even put wind behind them all they fuckin like but it doesn’t change the fact that white Amerika is not, and will never be doing it for the right reasons, or having taken the necessary steps beforehand.
white Amerika is not, and will never be doing it for the right reasons
shout it from the rooftops
People who I thought were more considered have just shown their ass and it’s just uncomfortable and cringe at this point.
Edit: oh turns out we are talking about the same 🤡
I’ve genuinely hit a point where I expect it; but “uncomfortable” is exactly fuckin right. More and more every day, it becomes tempting to do what Angel does and limit my interaction with this site to em_poc and that’s about it
Dead CEO =
You perfectly described my apprehension upon reading this guy’s tweets.
Hopelessly naive to assume 1 dead CEO is going to change anything for the better when the entrentched powers that be can spin this shit any which way they want, especially now that this good looking kid with bougie bonafides has his incoherent, borderline fash ideology plastered all over the internet.
In the same vein as that cartoon about Nazis, this can turn into KILL YOUR ENEMY healthcare executives from kill your enemy HEALTH CARE EXECUTIVES.
It could have started a conversation or galvanised actual praxis but not when the root ideology is self absorbed fash shit.
You were right and we shunned you. You spoke the truth and we did not listen. If only we heeded your word, we would have saved ourselves the embarrassment. For shame hexbear, for shame. Now we must contend with an imperfect world where thing are messy in terms of vibes and aesthetics, something we have never ever had to contend with ever. Thankfully you are here to guide us.
I’m being crucified like a dog in the street and you’re sitting here just laughing???
Is it even confirmed to be him tho
The news said he had the fake ID on him that he used to check into the hostel
Just incredible. Pull something like this off and then do amateur-hour shit like keeping evidence like that on you and the gun allegedly. If you’re intent on being caught at least do something cool like filming yourself and posting your manifesto read by yourself online to immortalize yourself a bit. Just waiting for the cops with the all they need on you is silly.
I’d totally believe the whole cops planted it on them thing if it wasn’t for the amateur-hour acts of them getting his DNA and him taking off his mask to smile at the camera just because the hostel desk person asked him to with a rib about having a nice smile. DNA isn’t so easy to fake in a court case with defense lawyers and attention like this. Like if it wasn’t him and the cops were trying to just plant this stuff I’d expect they’d have killed him instead to wrap up the lose ends and never made the DNA claim or walk it back.
I believe Eric Adams announced it in a press briefing about 30 mins ago
They have to be lying, they had nothing for days
According to the police, the guy had an orgy of evidence on him. Ghost gun and silencer, anti-insurance manifesto, false ID matching what was used at the hostel.
If its not him, its one hell of a coincidence. Dude was doing so well and then he simply forgot to stay low an extra few days.
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Left his DNA in 3 places
I say this as a molecular biologist, bull fucking shit they have solid DNA evidence. They had what, shell casings and a gum wrapper right? Gum wrapper could be anyone’s, it’s the middle of midtown manhattan. Shell casings, how do you know they didn’t roll in a puddle of spit from when he was walking down that street 2 days earlier?
Dipping my gun in the spitoon at the local bar before a hit to cover it in the DNA of like 30 dudes
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Ngl I truly doubt he had that evidence on them. I think the cops had that evidence on them, picked up this guy and went “Wow look at all this evidence he happened to have on his person at a McDonald’s!”
If it’s not the right guy then the real Adjuster will shoot another.
I’m more inclined to believe they were able to facially recognize/trace him all the way to Altoona PA, and the McDs call in was just what sealed the deal.
Did the police fabricate his social media history? Come on.
yeah from the report I read, they were lucky some random person called the tip in. Once they detain the guy he has all the evidence they need (fool, idiot). Not done and sealed quite yet, but it’s not looking great.
