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Bosnia and Herzegovina: Can we go to the beach?
Croatia: Absolutely fucking notC’mon! They get a speck of beach. A speck should be enough for any country.
Don’t even get me started on enclaves and exclaves.
You know what I do when I see people (kids or adults) walking through my property? Nothing. Because they aren’t hurting me by taking a shortcut.
I already loved this format. This is a blending of two things that I adore, and I am grateful for it.
This has been one of the anarchic ideas I have questions about.
Let’s say we have a burgeoning anarchic society. We’ve solved issues with intracommunity violence, production, and distribution. We’ve managed to negotiate peace with neighboring states so they aren’t a direct threat anymore. It’s the anarchist paradise we always wanted and things are going great.
However, one of these non-hostile states nearby gets involved in a war with another state. They end up losing and things get bad. Millions of refugees end up fleeing into the anarchist territory, far more than can easily be accommodated with existing systems. Furthermore, most of these people have been indoctrinated into thinking anarchists are violent, dangerous weirdos and don’t have any interest in our new society. They just want to keep doing their authoritarian capitalism but in a place that isn’t on fire.
I’m not saying borders are the best solution to this problem but it is clearly a problem that is possible or even likely to occur in the future. How would an anarchist society solve this issue? Isn’t there a danger that a wave of too many people with anti-anarchist ideology might risk the destruction of an anarchist society?
Zach Weinersmith’s Open Borders is a fantastic (and amusingly illustrated) discussion of these types of concerns.
Thanks, I will check it out.
most of these people have been indoctrinated into thinking anarchists are violent, dangerous weirdos and don’t have any interest in our new society.
People depending on the help of others (as those refugees would) tend to be surprisingly open-minded and would likely come to see the advantages of such a society rather quickly. It is usually only when they are met with hostility and cramped into refugee camps that they turn on the country hosting them. And in general anarchists are well accustomed having to deal with people with all sorts of differing ideas, so they will likely work out something that is acceptable for everyone.
How did that state end up at peace with us previously if they were indoctrinated into hating us? If we’re doing thought experiment, let’s at least make them coherent.
Realistically, after we’ve reached the point of having a functioning anarchist society, there’s no states left because nobody would need such a silly thing.
Lots of reasons people can be at peace and still hate one another. Look around the world there are tons of examples. I’m not saying we’re best buds, just not actively killing each other. Hell, the existence of another nearby hostile power is a classic way this happens, which perfectly matches the hypothetical.
I personally think the idea of an instantaneous global revolution is totally ridiculous so I don’t find this answer very compelling. Even if global anarchy is achieved which is not a certain thing, there will be a period of transition, and some regions will transition faster than others.
Same way you solved all those other problems that require coordination despite not having any.
of course there are benefits, they just arent for me or you
Then you guys should live without doors. Why do you need to keep people out of your home?
This is not the own you think it is…
Imagine not knowing the difference between personal, private, and public property
Go on, you’re almost there…you’re so close…keep rubbing those brain cells together, they’ve almost come up with a complete thought.
If Doors are akin to Private property then… Borders are akin to…come on, I know you know it.
Here, I’ll give you a hint:
Individual, Town, City, County, State, Nation. These are all part of it…and they all share something similar…
Hey, I know the answer! It’s “condescending asshole”!
You nailed it brother
You know who advocates for open borders? Labor economists advocate for open borders!
Who let Pixy in here?
