• UltraBudgieZero@lemmy.ca
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    I’d say while it’s a fine sentiment, Turkey isn’t really the best choice as far as being a hybrid regime ruled by the same guy for decades. Good food though.

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    What is it called when you’re actually proud of seeing your country exposed as the tyrannical monster you’ve always known it to be, are happy to see other nations no longer kissing its ass, and desire nothing more than for the rulers of the nation to fall and suffer as you have?

    It’s this weird Reverse Patriotism I’m filled with

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      It’s called being an anti imperialist that lives in the imperial core. Next start listening to some Michael Parenti. Sadly it’s taken the US directing it’s imperialism at western countries to wake up to it. But better late than never.

      https://youtu.be/odWerz1Az6k

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          The funny thing about german is you can make new compound words to describe something. It could be a bit nonsensical without context but it should translate roughly to “homeland-retribution-pride”.

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      dunno, but I’ve been an anarchist for a while, and I feel it every time I see someone stand up to these assholes I paid taxes to, that one time I made enough money to pay taxes.

      solidarity with the free, or at least hoping-to-be-less-constrained, peoples of the world, certainly. we need something shorter.

      i also find an odd kind of half solidarity with my ancestors who fought in the second world war, against what america is trying to be, and sort of always was, but were very much flag waving ‘rarara america’ patriots the rest of their lives at the same time.

      point being that the non-shitty people from this awful shit hole country aren’t going to begrudge anyone ditching the awful garbage that gets made here. ‘made in america’ mostly means prison slaves anyway. edit:the people who make the decisions and own the stuff here have no common interest with the common people. we are all bludgeoned or manipulated into not putting up a fight. which isn’t to say there aren’t enough insane fanatics and bloated military budget to be a serious threat to the free world, but, like, please fuck our shit up. it’s not like any of us ever see any benefit from it anyway.

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      maybe it’s… hope?

      like, the assholes in charge have never represented us or our interests. they own everything around us. I will never own a home. I know maybe one person in this shit hole country who’s got even a remote shot at that, who didn’t inherit the noble title of ‘property owner’. none of the supposed prosperity of this place reaches me. I know so many people who have died of preventable illness, and the hoops I had to jump through to get antibiotics for a major injury last year would have killed someone less stubborn. I doubt much of the imperial pillage and fruit of all this internal productivity reaches you. even the old public works projects are a thing that has largely passed from living memory. ancient monuments to a bygone society that I can barely comprehend from old books. We voted for some new ones here in california, twenty years ago, then again and again to increase funding for them, and have yet to see them materialize-because of interference, deliberate interference to keep us from having nice things, by the fuckers who profit off the fact we need to eat food and sleep indoors but have never held a hammer or driven a tractor, by the fuckers who declare war having never been ordered into peril themselves, by the fuckers who work us to the bone until we die, and tell us it’s what we deserve. maybe people in a better position to stand up to these bastards and do some damage to the things they care about actually doing it is what hope feels like.

      maybe it will help more of us stand up ourselves. that would be cool.

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        Happiness at the misfortune of others? No… not really. I’m not happy that other people are suffering, I’m happy that people have accurately identified the source of their suffering.

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        no, most of the good canadian stuff would be fridge/freezer, or is already in another aisle. and im sorry, but mexican food is a contender for ‘world’s best’. canadian food is just fine; maybe ill crave poutine on a cold day.

        edit, to canadians: losing a ‘best cuisine’ to mexico is like losing a boxing match to muhammad ali in his prime. there is no shame in this. they’re just better than you. they’re probably better than everybody.

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      There is a huge Turkish population in Germany, that seems to be the most probable reason.

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      Turkiye also has a large military industry looking to sell to the EU, a large military, and wants control over the black sea (which involves weakening Russia), and wants to be as friendly to the EU as possible to eventually get that coveted EU membership.

      Yeah, an opportunistic authoritarian, but a useful one in this dire emergency.

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        maybe even certainly healthier.

        Fixed that for you. Anything is healthier than American “food”. Even British foods, possibly.

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          As an American, British food is healthier, yes. Most of the time I’m eating import food because of how gross American products are.

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        It’s hard to make out but this all looks like (very dry) buiscuits. If they’re really Turkish I can’t recommend them (at least not without chai and you want sugar with that, so not really very healthy).

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      Virtually no one here likes Erdogan whatsoever, but our interests in relation to Ukraine and weakening USA/Russia aligns in this particular case. Turkey is a large country that actually borders the EU and has the largest non-European diaspora living here; keeping somwhat cood relations makes sense, even if I’d never want to see them join the Union and know we can never fully trust them.

      As we lost our biggest ally, trading with another large country with a significant military makes perfect sense. Besides, Turkish food is actually great, especially compared to murican trash

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        Totally get that, and I won’t ever make any false equivalence or both-sides arguments.

        I was just surprised they went with Turkish instead of, say, Mexican or Spanish, or another country not as problematic.

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          Well, seeing as it’s written in German: Germany’s and Austria’s largest national minorities are Turks. Estimates are tough, but at least 3 million people (probably more like 5 million) in Germany have Turkish ‘migrationshintergrund’ and up to 500 000 people in Austria. Many have been there since the early 1960s, and, although it hasn’t been all smooth sailing, Turkish culture and food has a significant place in both countries. So with that in mind I think this choice makes sense. Mexican food is lovely imo, but Germans don’t have particular ties to the culture, people or food. (Not to mention the fact that whenever there’s “Mexican” food in Europe broadly it’s a watered-down version of tex-mex, which I do still like anyway)

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      1. He is a million times better than Trump and has far far less blood on his hands than either Trump or Biden
      2. Turkiye isn’t engaging in economic warfare against Europe
      3. Turkiye welcomed Syrian and Ukrainian refugees escaping the wars
      4. Turkiye supports Ukraine in various ways such as drones

      Turkiye is a Muslim country as well as a European country, so it is in an odd place to be but also bridges both worlds.

      Edit: I know about the Kurds, I am from the Middle East. Turkiye had a history of racist nationalism that Erdogan actually campaigns against. Turkiye and Erdogan are not angels or innocent but are a far lesser evil than many others.

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        He literally blocks all new NATO membership and you claim he has no blood on his hands?

        Edit: and I assume he has finally taken action towards earthquake building safety? Or is that still just god’s will?

        Edit2: funny that you have time to talk to me about cookie flavors but pretend these questions don’t exist

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        You didn’t mention the Kurds. Turkey’s action towards Kurds is one of the main reasons to dislike Turkey.

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          It’s not making headlines but Kurds and Turkiye stroke the biggest peace deal over the last month. PKK agreed to dissolve itself.

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        ITT: people ignoring the genocides they’ve committed, while pointing out other’s

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        I’m sorry but all the campaigning in the world doesn’t matter when he can’t stop the oppression of Kurds as the leader of his country.

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        also, turkiye seems to be on the verge of working things out with ocalan and the kurds, which is impressive

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        I would be surprised if they didn’t already done that, seeing how prolific is their movie production series

        (Since a couple years TV channels in my European country are broadcasting dozens and dozens Turkish tv series dubbed in local language, and my country has no ties with Turkey, only 0.3% of the immigrants are Turkish)

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      I’m imagining peanut butter, BBQ sauce, pumpkin pie filling, and maybe a few breakfast foods like cream of wheat. Not all of our foods are terrible nightmares, they’re just either available in different aisles or not super popular to justify being everywhere.

      The intersection of “American”, “novelty” and “popular enough to import but not enough to fully stock” is probably mostly candy, pop tarts and Lucky charms.

      https://www.thetimes.com/article/us-trade-war-german-peanut-butter-lovers-feel-crunch-q55bs3r8t

      The last time trump was around and pulled this type of shit peanut butter was one of the things people had issues with, since the US produces a lot of peanuts and peanut butter.

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        I’m German and I suspect it’s a bit cringier than that. Out of the products you listed peanut butter is the only one that’s available virtually everywhere. You can get all of the other stuff as well but mostly online or at dedicated candy shops. The only other item I can think of is Jack Daniel’s and probably some other spirits. So what was sold in the US section? The answer is probably German made stuff that’s stereotypically American. This may include spray cheese, creatively flavored bbq sauces, other condiments like relish, brioche burger and hot dog buns, cookies, brownies, muffins, donuts and my favorite because you guys don’t even eat that: actual plastic buckets filled with sweet popcorn.

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          Heh, fair enough. I took a look at some pictures of US grocery sections at European stores and applied the huristic of:

          • if it’s there, it’s not super popular.
          • If I would buy it regularly, chances are a European would too, just not as many, see point one.
          • if it’s awful it’s being sold as an amusing novelty.
          • if I wouldn’t buy it often but I recognize it’s American it’s a fun novelty or comfort food for the homesick.

          Based on that metric, I concluded there was a contingent of Europeans who viewed American peanut butter, BBQ sauce and hot porridge as superior enough to justify spending extra on. That spray cheese was correctly regarded as a disgusting novelty, and that pop tarts, lucky charms and marshmallow fluff are noveltys that are “fine”.

          Wouldn’t have expected you to put relish there though! I kinda figured that was one everyone had that they tweaked a little for regional taste, like mustard.

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      Well the fact that, no fewer than 3 times, the Great British Bake-off judges have said something to the effect of “Wow! Your combination of peanuts and jam is a brilliant and unique flavor!” has taught me that maybe we really do have something to share with the world.

    • Besides the stuff people already listed, I know sections like this here in Germany, and they often (not always) just have “American style” products - basically some weird hybrids of what a European imagines America to be like, but for European palates. So I bet - unless this was a section with true import stuff - any American would be confused why they never heard of any of these products.

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      Lucky Charms and Nerds. I think it’s mostly for Americans in Europe actually. It’s all quite expensive and I’ve never seen anyone buy it.

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      American living in Portugal here. The only things from home I buy with any regularity are peanut butter (the crunchy kind) and bourbon. Pretty much everything else has an EU-made equivalent with way less scary sounding chemicals on the ingredient list.

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        Over the last few years some Australian and New Zealand brands have emerged which are just fucking magnificent.

        this stuff is fucking amazing. Just nuts and salt but jesus tap dancing christ those nuts.

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      We have oreos here in Australia, but they’re probably manufactured somewhere in Asia by am American conglomerate in the same way the rest of our confectionery is.