I’m not convinced of the Fort Derrick lab leak theory either, but the the presence of Covid prior to the Wuhan outbreak at least eliminates the proximity to the Wuhan virology/biodefense labs as indicating a lab leak there.
I’m fairly certain I had it in November of 2019. My whole family was sick with what we figured was a bad flu, but it left my wife with more significant respiratory issues on top of her asthma. On top of that I somehow avoided getting Covid until 2022, despite several outbreaks at work to the point of literally working alongside people who later test positive. It was kind of incredible at the time, but if I already had antibodies then that would make a lot more sense.
There’s not much of a way for it to start in China in Nov and then by the end of the month it ends up in bumfuck rural America. I’m sure we had the shit brewing for months before it was detected on the other side of the world.
There also was that wave of respiratory issues in 2019 that people were blaming on vaping until people just forgot about it.
Also the rash of nursing home deaths around that same time.
this so much this!
popcorn lung!It’s so weird to look at articles like this in 2025
It’s the first time health officials have seen this kind of injury from vaping.
The Canadian teen had been vaping flavored e-cigarette pods and THC for five months before he became ill. It’s not confirmed if diacetyl was in his cartridges.
Yeah, I had some extended family that got a nasty “flu” around then, too. The only time I’ve heard of a “flu” taking away someone’s ability to taste for a weekI
I had what felt like the worst cold ever in December 2019. It was followed by a lingering recovery that ended with a diagnosis for reactive airway syndrome, asthma’s little brother.
I can add that same anecdote myself, sick in late 2019 and avoided covid until catching it in 2022.
Both times I distinctly remember it starting with an unusual scratchy sensation in my throat.
Yeah I remember that too we had two coworkers who came back from trips in India and Vietnam and were really sick then we all got sick in the office, it was the first time I stayed home sick and actually went to the doctor because of how bad it was
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Wish it was a proper academic paper with citations–kinda annoying having to track down its sources.
Don’t have time at the moment, but I did grab the paper which shows that the virus could have been present in the US as early as December 13-16 2019 on the west coast:
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/12/e1004/6012472
and this NIH study which also showed earlier cases than had been officially confirmed:
I’m on the west coast, and there were murmers of a “cold from hell” going around in Nov/Dec of 2019 until covid was officially recognized in the US around March. One of the first known detections of it was during a flu study during that time. Researchers retested some samples and it showed up. I got hit with something that made me nearly suffocate during that time and it completely freaked me out, and then a month later my roommate who also got sick suffered major organ failure, and later on heart attacks and other relentless vascular problems.
if true then it’s basically the Spanish flu all over again, which funnily enough also started in flumerikkka.
investigate fort detrick
that’s why I call covid The yankee doodle flu
Investigate Fort Detrick
I had a feeling. My mother had flu like systems with lasting brain fog and lost of taste and smell in September 2019, months before the first cases were detected here.
How quickly everyone forgot the pneumonia epidemic of 2019 and the mysterious vaping illness that was never spoken of again lmao
Vaping illness? The only vaping illbess I remember was from the counterfeit weed carts cut with Vitamin E Acetate as a thickener. I ended up with one of those Once, a single hit (it was a blinker) and my chest hurt for days. Tasted like burnt plastic, but not in a “I didn’t prime this right so it tastes like acrolene” way.
I remember there were stories of hospitalized young adults with pneumonia who hadn’t use weed carts, only were using legit tobacco vapes. Could be they just didn’t admit to using illegal carts of course.
Edit: here’s a research article, there was a small CDC study early in 2019 where all the patients had vitamin E in their lungs, but a larger study later in 2019 only had 86% of patients reporting cannabis use, and another in 2020 where they only found vitamin e in 49% of patient samples.
Thank you, I have some reading to do 🫡
Ya it was that thing. It is pretty weird that it popped up in September 2019, a few months right before the pandemic. Not saying the Vitamin E Acetate vape thing wasn’t a problem, as I don’t vape, but I wonder how often it masked a different lung disease, in Covid.
yeah the vaping thing is a closed case and not relevant to the question of COVID origins.
intellectual novelty is dead
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My half sister’s mom died with similar symptoms Christmas 2019.
So I completely believe it was here before that.
I’m sorry, how old was she?
I’m not sure. Late 40s maybe.
An elderly friend of mine nearly died of what was diagnosed as the flu in January 2020, even though she’d had a flu shot, and she had unexplained brain fog for a long time after. She had test after test to try to figure out what was causing it. Her doctors couldn’t figure it out.
sad
Yes. She was able to recover, fortunately, and the cognitive impact wasn’t bad enough that you’d notice if you didn’t know her well. But I wondered, after Covid spread around us and brain fog became a well-known aftereffect, if that was actually what she’d had.
No shit. They sequenced the genomes years ago. The euro strain was 9 months older than the one detected in China.
do you have the link to this
i do. i kept it in a folder to spam at redditors https://web.archive.org/web/20200410111500/https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/covid-19-genetic-network-analysis-provides-snapshot-of-pandemic-origins
There was stuff like this: https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-circulated-europe-china-before-wuhan-outbreak-2020-12
But, thinking about it more, it might have been wastewater testing they did that found covid months and months before China detected it. They keep samples of the wastewater for potential future testing and they went back and found covid. But with seo nonsense its harder and harder to find anything. If you’re on the discord ark server for this website, you might find it there or there might be an oldhead there that archived it.
If you’re on the discord ark server for this website
any chance I can get a link to join?
yea I’ve known about the spanish sewer sample from March 2019, and I believe it was real. It is basically a fact that it was circulating in virginia in June 2019. That’s only 3 months away.
Wasn’t it also found in Spanish waste water as early as spring of that year
It was at least found in Italian waste water before the outbreak in Wuhan. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200620/Italye28099s-sewage-water-shows-SARS-CoV-2-present-prior-to-reported-outbreak-in-Wuhan.aspx
I never really bought the Fort Detrick theory, but the story of COVID originating in China always seemed awfully convenient for the West.
being honest this is the first I’m hearing of the fort detrick theory, could you give a run down please
yeah I don’t believe it started in china either
take the Chinese lab leak theory and sub in Ft. Detrick and that’s about the whole of it as far as I’m aware (i.e. it is not really any more or less substantiated)
it’s significantly funnier though
There is more circumstancial evidence, such as Ft. Dietrich having several facilities shut down for bio safety violations during that timeframe.
Ft detrick’s wastewater sterilization equipment wasn’t working for an entire year before it was shut down in August 2019
Safety concerns at a prominent military germ lab have led the government to shut down research involving dangerous microbes like the Ebola virus.
The problems date back to May 2018, when storms flooded and ruined a decades-old steam sterilization plant that the institute had been using to treat wastewater from its labs, Ms. Vander Linden said. The damage halted research for months, until the institute developed a new decontamination system using chemicals.
The new system required changes in certain procedures in the laboratories. During an inspection in June, the C.D.C. found that the new procedures were not being followed consistently. Inspectors also found mechanical problems with the chemical-based decontamination system, as well as leaks
Yeah that and the “vaping lung disease” that showed up (and was especially prevalent around ft detrick!) and then disappeared, plus the frequent anecdotes of people who were seriously fucking sick in 2019, is why I’ve believed the ft Detrick lab leak theory since i first heard it.
It’s the most likely source imo. Like I really think it’s a lot more likely for one of the most virulent diseases ever discovered to have leaked out of a biolab which literally studied coronaviruses than for it to have just appeared out of nowhere. And wow, here’s a lab that worked on those where it could have just leaked in the wastewater for literally a year straight
did you read Russia’s claims regarding US labs doing biological weapons testing in Ukraine?
I know one of the first detected cases in RI involved a guy who went to Ibiza and brought it back, but I don’t remember the exact timeframe.
The statement said the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention decided to issue a “cease and desist order” last month to halt the research at Fort Detrick because the center did not have “sufficient systems in place to decontaminate wastewater” from its highest-security labs.
They claim nothing escaped
Called it in 2020
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Is anyone surprised?
My Hypothisis that this is a US based Lab Leak is slowly looking more and more plauseable.
Two conspiracies that I believe we will someday uncover:
- Trump cheated in 2024 (whether it actually makes a difference I’m less sure of)
- Fentanyl was pushed into the black market drug supply to try and kill off all the people who discovered “hey, some of these things aren’t so bad if you’re careful, maybe let’s work on harm reduction and jail fewer people”
The US inventing COVID as a bioweapon and then trying to blame “big bad China” after fucking up fits nicely within the hubris and malice of the ever present style of fascism we’ve lived with here since Harry Truman. I don’t think this is anything other than circumstantial at this point, but I really would not be surprised.
