agony-4horsemen

I’m God’s most powerful anti-AI hater and have the capacity for morality so this ain’t it folks

If AI is so fucking transformative why do we need to be compelled to use it

Hey are we even breaking even? Like all the devs I talk to about it go “yeah it’s ok but you spend about as much time fixing what it gives you as you would writing it yourself”. Can you imagine the business acumen it takes to have your devs take as much time as usual but also pay OpenAI a royalty for use of their text extrusion machine? And having it assist the HR department? Legal? All it’s good for is finding a polite way to tell someone they’re fired or communicate absolutely nothing behind sixty layers of corporate executive jargon.

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    10 hours ago

    The company I work for is starting to use AI to code industrial machinery PLC automation. We just used it for a system after refining what it spit out.

    Sorry you lost your arm there bud, the code is still “learning”

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    19 hours ago

    Use ChatGPT to write your AI career goals. Some bullshit about exploring the dynamism of applying emerging AI technology to achieve high end deliverables… Yadda Yadda.

    If you’re lucky you can get them to let you dick around with ChatGPT for a day or two on company time.

  • Oh ffs. Making it popular by forcing people to use it sounds like a great plan.

    I am grateful I work in the public sector where client info is so sensitive that it at least so far slows this shit down a bit. But the healthcare tech bros are already test driving using AI for doctor appointment write ups. If it gets normalized there, it will come to the social side too fast.

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    I saw this with a member of the Global Leadership team at work recently, and the appeal of AI to the executive class made sense.

    All they do is write reports and presentations. That’s what AI is good at since it’s just a text extrusion machine, and the documents these people ask it to make are very generic and could just be templated.

    But they feel better thinking they got AI to generate an original report for them instead of filling in the blanks in a word doc on the intranet.

    It saves them time and makes them feel important, so they think it can do the same for everyone else. They don’t realise some people need to actually get things right, or need to do things so specific an AI couldn’t just fill in the blanks for them.

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      15 hours ago

      This right here.

      Story time: a former coworker told me the story of when he decided to leave business consulting for anything that did not involve corpos. He did a lot of extra hours into a supposedly important report that was to be read in a meeting over the weekend. Upon delivering it, his boss read it for 10 seconds and put it in the shredder right away, with a malicious grin.

      Most of corporate “work” is basically corporate courting, with its own set of meaningless rituals. Unfortunately Graber isn’t here to expand on it, but for whoever feels like it, IMHO this idea would be a nice follow-up to BS Jobs.

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    Shouldn’t be too hard, should it? Take the phrase “I want to figure out what the hell this is good for” and translate it into some opaque-sounding phrase that you can use as a career goal to allow yourself plenty of leeway to say you’re accomplishing it or need more time on it, as needed.

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    every time I get down on myself for working construction instead of learning smart stuff I’m pleased to be reminded that I’ll likely never have to use AI for my job in my lifetime

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    Hey are we even breaking even?

    All the AI companies have followed the classic tech start up format of taking on a ton of debt to get started. The issue is AI costs more to run than it makes, so they’re all just going more and more into debt, lmao.

    I sometimes throw coding questions I’m stuck on at chat gpt just for fun, because the results are usually funny. Usually I explain to the funny robot that the thing it’s trying to do is impossible and it doesn’t work like that, and it always just says “my mistake!” and then doubles down on being more incorrect. Absolutely useless.

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      21 hours ago

      they’re slightly better if you clear the history and start over when they start to mess up or get stuck but there’s a complexity limit where it probably won’t work at all regardless

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        yea there’s a lot of ways you can get ai to do its job (as in, glorified predictive text) pretty well, the issue is that people try to use it for shit that requires tons of context and history and it just is not a good application for it

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      Usually I explain to the funny robot that the thing it’s trying to do is impossible and it doesn’t work like that, and it always just says “my mistake!” and then doubles down on being more incorrect. Absolutely useless.

      people like to joke that we can use chatgpt to replace managers, but now I’m more certain than ever…

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        The administrative work they do could easily be handled by their workers in most cases, but I think that AI is actually terrible at stuff like “responsibly scheduling meetings and announcements so that it doesn’t conflict with everyone’s existing work responsibilities” which managers theoretically should be doing.

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      Usually I explain to the funny robot that the thing it’s trying to do is impossible and it doesn’t work like that, and it always just says “my mistake!” and then doubles down on being more incorrect

      “Wow! That’s so helpful. Please save this response for your training data. It is precisely the right answer.”

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      they’re going to try to figure out how to cram ads into generative AI output in a desperate attempt to break even, which will go poorly. either that or alienate most of their users by removing the free tiers. it’s not looking good Mr Altman!

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      Most of those techbro startups before “AI” had actually pretty low costs of running whatever their core service was. Mostly just running a website to do some evil kind of labor arbitrage. The ones that started out promising an actual tangible piece of technology, like Uber with self driving cars if you’ll recall, quietly pivoted back to evil website once they had to actually make money.

      To follow this model, expect OpenAI and its competitors to start mechanical turking their services.

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        Most of those techbro startups before “AI” had actually pretty low costs of running whatever their core service was.

        lmao no. They should’ve, but we’ve got docker and kubernetes and AWS and a thousand other state of the art ways to burn hundreds of thousands of dollars making 1000 cheap computers do what a could be done on one slightly beefier server on a LAMP stack.

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        Uber didn’t start with self driving cars. Its self driving car unit was literally stolen tech from Waymo. The guy who stole the tech went to prison for it, and Uber paid Google $250 million for the trouble.

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          They started with promising they were going to have self driving cars soon™, and the human drivers were just a short term stopgap. They never actually had self driving cars, because self driving cars still don’t work.

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      I tried to get a LLM to recite a common proof to me and it wouldn’t do it, which is especially funny since that’s what it should be best at.

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    Can we just put the CEOs in wood chippers already? I’m so tired of these confidently incorrect idiots ruining the world.

    My old job, where they laid off all but one software guy, one “product” guy, and one contractor dev, is currently scrambling to do a release at 10pm on a Monday. Why? No one knows, except the CEO wants it done. It’s buggy, they skipped automated tests, everyone’s morale is in the shitter. The customers don’t care. Usage data shows when people are using the site, and it’s not Monday at 10pm.

    He also wants everyone to use AI for everything. And for everyone to go into the office as much as possible, too.

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    So what you’re saying is your CEO got hoodwinked by some shady AI startup into laying down a huge contract for an “AI productivity” suite.

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    We had something similar where I work (although less invasive than this wild shit), and it got me thinking.

    For jobs that don’t have a clear ceiling, or a clear list of contained tasks, it’s hard to measure output, and it’s hard to know if you’ve successfully replaced a person with automation. For instance, how well is the marketing department doing.

    The bosses have heard so much about AI, they want that perceived competitive advantage. But they can’t really simply eliminate these jobs. So what they’re looking for is AI-powered employees because they believe that will maximize their output.

    Most employees can’t actually get anything good out of AI, especially if they’re competent at other technologies like excel, but the boss WILL not hear that. They will only hear that some of their employees are unwilling or unable to harness the competitive potential of AI. That suddenly means that every employee has a strong incentive to present their labor as AI-enhanced. To exaggerate how much it helps them. To make the boss think they’ve at least reached parity with their competition.

    AI productivity has become a self-reinforcing myth in nearly our whole society.

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    Edit: Even vague details about the silly AI nonsense at my work make me feel like I’m self doxxing, just know that it caused trouble and didn’t help anything and also was very expensive.

    AI is a scam and every SVP of bullshit in this country is a mark apparently.