updated as of yesterday (July 21): based on a statistical model developed by a prestigious medical journal called The Lancet, Israel has killed roughly 434,800 people in Gaza since the country’s military started to attack the territory on 8 October 2023. That’s 20.7% of Gaza’s entire pre-conflict population dead. Over half are women and children.
all palestinian violence against israel is self-defense.
Death to the entirety of israhell and the west and anybody who even slightly supports them. Unlimited death and genocide and hell upon those monsters masquerading as humans.
Supporting Israel in any capacity should be a war crime punishable by death.
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Even the Romans considered decimation (killing 10% of a population) to be a brutally extreme measure. Imagine being twice as evil as the fucking Roman empire.
IIRC the Cambodian genocide under Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge was 25% of the population. If the Isrealis killed 40% of Palestinians, they have surpassed one of the worst mass murderers in history.
Many of those were killed by American bombing campaigns as well though
Ya, this sounds waaaay more correct than the official numbers people have been using for awhile. Unfortunately, just like The Lancet’s last estimates, no media is going to use these.
One year ago I was literally being told “This can’t be genocide! Only 4% of population has been killed.” Now what?
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I will hate Israelis and their descendants forever.
It’s likely that a lot of them will be like Afrikaners, but we probably shouldn’t be doing “sins of the father” sight-unseen
now that’s about the number i think is likely near correct.
They are truly vile. Hatred is a vast understatement for how I’m feeling at this point. Death to the zionist entity forever. Never let that shit return when it’s dismantled
Now that they’re all starving in concentration camps, that number will increase rapidly.
I feel numb
Entirely soul crushing. There can be no words.
Is Israel what Nazi Germany would have turned out if every allied power except the Soviet Union and China had sided and backed them instead?
Nazi Germany was always a much more powerful nation, and existed during a time where it was easier for them to gloss over the magnitude of their violence to the foreigners (and there were more foreigners who liked pogroms). Israel is still not on the level of Nazi Germany, not because it’s morally superior but because it’s just not in a position to feasibly “accomplish” many of the things that the Nazis did and, as deranged as it can be, Israel does still have a mote of self-preservation.
Israel is not capable of accomplishing anything on it’s own and it’s hasn’t. It was always the US. It should really be called the US-Israeli Genocide. And the US is way more powerful than Nazi Germany ever was.
Israel does still have a mote of self-preservation
I’m not so sure of that.
Samson option is as likely for 2025-26 as anything.
Israel is being supplied by the US and gets intelligence and sometimes direct military assistance from the US, but it can’t negate being a small country with a small population. It’s a limited vessel, one which can be broken much more easily than the US itself can be.
It also knows this and, while it also does lots of reckless things, it still is able to heel at least momentarily now and then when the US actually tells it to. It’s not just all gas every second, just most of the time.
The US absolutely can tell it to heel, and the US absolutely won’t tell it to heel.
Israel was established by murdering and displacing the people who lived there. Israel has never fought a defensive war.
Could you help me understand what relevance that has to the Nazi Germany comparison?
Have you heard of the phrase Lebensraum?
Obviously, but that doesn’t answer my question.
I keep asking: What the fuck makes Israel so different? What makes them so special? Is it Israeli exceptionalism? Like fuck imagine other genocidal colonial states looking at Israel and taking notes on how to conduct a successful genocide. Oh if only Nazi Germany had done this. Oh if only Apartheid South Africa had done this etc etc what the actual fuck.
South Africa was actually far less murderous than the Israelis have been (low bar I know).
My point being, imagine making apartheid South Africa look humane.
Israel is a part of the US empire. The US empire acts with impunity. Apartheid SA and Nazi Germany were not part of such an empire
When the war started, people often defended zionism by saying that if the zionist occupation fell, so would western civilisation. Thing is, they were correct. You see all the western colonists come out of the woodwork and go absolutely all in on zionism cause it’s a matter of life or death for them. Without zionism, the western colonists loose eurasia. It would be game over for them on a continental scale. And so, to protect zionism, anything goes.
a modern crusader state
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It’s US American exceptionalism. What’s special is the largest military power to ever exist. Actions of Israel are actions of the US.
What they did that others didn’t is be an essential FOB for an imperial hegemony. WW2 was never motivated by saving people from genocide. No one went to war because of that, maybe some individual soldiers but you get what im saying. South Africa was freed from within mostly. Liberals only oppose atrocities occe they’ve been completed or it inconveniences them
Israelis are Americans, are Europeans, are Russians.
They don’t condemn Israel or try to stop it because they ARE Israel.
Are people on this website ready to have conversations about Jewish supremacy yet
I think the logical conclusion from the events of recent years, and from the basic principle that class struggle superscedes identity politics, it was always “easy” to see that no identity group had an inherently revolutionary, or non-reactionary character.
That goes especially for the followers of abrahamic religions, who dominate large swathes of the globe and whose rulers posses unimaginable wealth.
Amongst these, the followers of Judaism had an even bigger advantage that there existed an exploitative project explicitly design to extract and spread wealth for them, while their numbers are small. This leading to to the result of them consistently ranking amongst the most well-off demographics, that is, the most bourgeoisfied of the proletariat anywhere in the world.
So in that sense, talking of a problem of Jewish supremacism is entirely valid. And yet, such a talk entirely understates the horror of the zionist project. It is not something that merely threatens some abstract ideal of racial equality, it is the lynchpin of western colonialism in the 21rst century. The zionist project very much has the potential to kick-start what might be known as the third world war by future historians, if it hasn’t already.
Agreed on all counts. Excellently put.
Or are Evangelicals still the designated sin eaters
I dunno. It seems like most of the people I see promoting the Zionist occupation are evangelicals. I guess if Israel is to be considered a Jewish state, then the attempt to eradicate other presence there could be considered Jewish supremacy. It feels like that is less common among Jews than white supremacy is among white people or whatever is going on with evangelicals. Most of the people I personally see supporting Zionism, though, are evangelicals awaiting their promised end of the world scenario.
There are orders of magnitude more Christians than Jews, but even given that, your experience has not been my own. I’ve come across thousands of Jews (American, Israeli, Dutch, etc) who support and defend Israel. 99% of American synagogues are explicitly Zionist and provide material support to Israel and the IDF. The genocide is being armed primarily by Christians, but it’s being carried out literally exclusively by Jews and with the approval of the majority of Jews.
If any other demographic had this much embedded Nazism, we would’ve been speaking about their role in empire the way we openly talk about Catholics, Evangelicals, Mormons, etc. Scots were once oppressed by the British Empire before they fully integrated and became valuable foot soldiers.
Every real Anti-Zionist Jew has my support, but if Judaism is going to survive, some very difficult conversations need to be had.
I guess that makes sense. My experience is pretty limited. It is important to refrain from antisemitism in combating the Nazi elements, but that certainly shouldn’t stop us from discussing those things.
Definitely. There is nothing inherent to Judaism that orients people toward this behavior, hence the sharp generational divide. It is all about class. But if we’re going to be honest when we say that Israel doesn’t represent Jews, Jews need to start confronting their relatives the way everyone (correctly) insisted white people do about Trumpism.
I’m not an expert in religious history, but I really think Judaism could be heading for a schism over this.
Zionism was considered a fringe movement prior to the Holocaust, the prevailing attitude was towards the Labor Bund, socialism, or liberalism. But because there was a sizable population, following, and political, economic support for establishing an “Ulster” in the Levant, Zionism was permitted and sustained by Western capital and empire.
The war, the genocide, eradicated much of the Jewish socialists and traumatized the survivors into believing the antisemitic beliefs that Jews, despite being native to their European states for centuries, were always strangers - and the strangers should go back to their ancestral homeland: Palestine.
Zionism, as a living coping mechanism for centuries of abuse during Diaspora, indulged in these twisted fantasies in order to free the Jewish people from their oppressors and threat of annihilation. Zionism professes itself as the agent of Jewish self-determination, but while the Israeli government drives the car, Europe and the US pave and path the road, supply the gasoline, and act as their mechanics.
There is so much institutional and ideological saturation of Zionism within Jewish institutions that make it very challenging to be liberated from; however the brazen and constant barrage of Israeli politicians, media figures, IDF troops, and the Palestinians crying out for help through their own broadcast of the starvation and genocide is deepening a rejection of Zionism.
The one thing I would push back on/add is that “Labour Zionism” and the Kibbutzim were fundamental to the Nakba and the current Israeli Holocaust. Just like all the European chauvinists who dissolved the Second International, calling oneself a Socialist does not prevent anyone from pursuing parasitic class interests.
To what end?
To help stop the genocide and prevent the future extermination of non-Gazan Palestinians.
Why not?
Bloodthirsty genocidal maniac shit.
