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    I mean, to be fair. None of the economic stuff would have improved under kamala, joe, or hillary.

    Since all tribalists care about is the culture war, it’s all they get.

    I’d wager most republicans are happy because the people banning them for saying how they feel are upset.

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    This is not how some Trump voters I know think at all; it’s not how they think of Trump. Bring up any of these points and they’d think you’re totally paranoid.

    I witnessed a group of old guys watching the movie ‘One Battle After Another’ scratch their heads and have literally, honestly no idea what it was about.

    It’s because they’re in the habit of watching Fox News or other ‘old’ media. Trump’s just some Republican like they’ve always voted for with a bunch of hysterical finger pointers, and any Democrat is basically Jimmy Carter or Hillary Clinton.

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      That’s only a portion of Trump voters though. There are a lot of younger voters with less ingrained brain washing that came recently from new media.

      I honestly don’t know what you do about the people you are speaking of. I have some in my extended family and there is no convincing them of things after 3 decades of programming. Even foundational knowledge isn’t the same.

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        Yeah at some point folks get too old to change. You can try to get them off Fox News at least, but it just depends. Sometimes you can’t. Sometimes they really can’t even learn a new kind of remote/cable or whatever.

        Younger folks are deep down the influencer rabbit hole, and I don’t know what to do about that (other than pushing Fediverse) since Big Tech has such an iron grip on everything. I mean, the future is definitely cyberpunk.

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          Here in WV them olds got fired up quick when they saw SS threatened. They might have to go back to work at 70+ and live the golden years in a golden shower they created with trickle down economics.

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    Yes. They are happier.

    They aren’t interested in making life better for anyone. They want it shittier for everyone else rather than actually improve themselves so they don’t have exert any effort or make sacrifices. The suffering they do get from trump’s policies is unexpected or “worth it” to fuck over everyone else.

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        i agree. the only people that are happy are the ones that can say so because they are anonymous online, so it just seems like a lot. But if you walk around your cities and towns, you will notice a huge decline in trump flags and signs being up on houses now.

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      Exactly, it doesn’t matter if Trump’s administration makes life worse for MAGA supporters. He could make their lives a living hell for all they care, arguably they’re already there. His supporters just want to see people they don’t like get hurt. That’s it, they want to witness cruelty. Any conservative who didn’t jump off MAGA band wagon a long time ago has fully drank the cool-aid.

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    I don’t like Ariana’s music, but I respect her as a person and she’s very talented at what she does. Despite people constantly making fun of her.

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      I’ll admit, I used to be in the anti-Ariana crowd after the whole donut thing surfaced. (Despite being a dumb teen when it happened who, despite not doing things similar, could understand the social pressure of doing it.) But every interview snippet I’ve seen with her has shown that she’s got a good head on her shoulders and most importantly isn’t afraid to tell people they’re being a jackass on live television.

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        I didn’t like her because I thought she was fake because she seems to switch what race she wants to call herself every couple years. But then I realized a lot of people are fake, and it’s hardly the worst character trait. The rest of her makes up for that as much as anyone.

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          You know she had a social media manager handling her tweets? Even if she wrote that, she had it vetted by her manager to make sure it would hit well with her target demographic.

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            We’re talking about more than just this one Tweet. Try to not look at everything through the most negative, cynical lens possible.

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              Remember Taylor Swift. All talk, but when it came to climate change, she had to be shamed into limiting her private jet use.

              Disney was highly supportive of Queer rights, until they weren’t.

              Dixie Checks actually put something on the line and suffered for it. They even changed their name to distance themselves even more from that part of history. I doubt a social media manager would have approved any of that.

              Ariana Grande is just playing to her audience.

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          To clarify another user’s response, they were donuts on the shelf to be purchased by customers, they licked them and put them back so someone else would end up getting them unknowingly.

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        I’ll believe her and all these other wealthy philanthropists when they talk about tax reform. Everything else stems from that…

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    Respect to her for being brave enough, as a public figure, and risking an endless torrent of backlash.

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    That’s a rational question. Unfortunately it won’t get the desired result, because the target audience is not going to behave rationally:

    • The media that they consume is following the fascist playbook. They’re telling the audience that if things are not better yet, then it’s because there are others still left to blame, and the worse things get the harder those others are going to be blamed for it.
    • Even if someone moves past that propaganda, it’s been ingrained into them that to accept being incorrect is to admit failure. They’ve been primed to dig in and double down, lest their peers see them as a failure, or even worse as others.
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      So many “My business is failing because of tariffs. Those dirty foreigners!” and then follow up with “Sure, I’d vote for him again! I support what he does.”

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    She licked that donut that one time and I haven’t been able to let that go.

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      You lick one donut, you get ridiculed for life.

      You rape a bunch of women and children while committing financial crimes, you become President of the United States

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        Trump is still a million times worse, but she hasn’t only liked donuts.

        She literally stole a married man from his pregnant wife. Like he’s the cheater, but she’s clearly okay with him not giving a fuck about a wife and kid.

        Once again, Trump and Ariana are nowhere near each other in evilness, but she’s done more than lick some donuts.

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            I quite literally state that yes, he’s the cheater, and yet that she’s also okay with that fact.

            Knowingly going after a married person is fine now?

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    I keep asking the conservatives in my life this. Thanos snap, all migrants are gone, how has your life improved? The only straight answer I’ve gotten was a creative use of math to show how much the US would save on benefits. Their proof relied on an omission from their source about who is going to lose benefits. The cost of enforcement, detention and removal was outside the bounds of the original question.

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      Thats not even including the tax revenue that’s lost since many pay income tax (with no representation or access to benefits) essentially propping the system up, in part, for everyone else. I assume they think they can make up the difference on tariffs (nevermind much of that cost is passed on to ordinary Americans)

      When the Ottomans took over Constantinople and the Eastern Roman Empire fell, they began charging steep taxes on goods travelling from East to West. The Portugese, not content with paying the tax, launched maritime expeditions to reach India and managed to find a direct route from Europe to India going around Africa’s Cape of Good Hope. This was the start of the Age of Discovery. Spain commissioned Columbus with the same goal and… well we all know where he ended up.

      The point being when you charge an egregious tax or tariff people find a way around you rather than going through you. America is likely assuming its in such advantaged position globally that it can get away with it, but history shows that no nation / kingdom can survive alone and when you try to fleece people, they will find a way to exclude you.

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      creative use of math to show how much the US would save on benefits

      As anyone who’s ever seen a paystub can figure out, illegal immigrants pay for benefits (social security & medicare) they are ineligible to receive, ie, they subsidize everyone else’s benefits. Their payroll withholdings also pay taxes at all levels. So, I’m curious how they figure cutting those subsidies saves.

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      The only straight answer I’ve gotten was a creative use of math to show how much the US would save on benefits.

      And let me guess: that doesn’t consider the increase in expenses going towards funding ICE…

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      how much the US would save

      Absolute speculation in response to a question about current state.

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    You know what, unfortunately for some in the target demographic the answer is yes. Those who capitulated and got jobs as ice agents got a huge sign on bonus and livable salary. Bribed to terrorize

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    Of course the answer is yes. They want the suffering. Everything else was just an excuse. They voted for the suffering of others, got the suffering of others, and are happy. Even if the price of groceries, gas, and everything else is higher, they don’t mind because they got what they really wanted.

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    Intellectually dishonest post. It’s expected though at this point, coming from the left.

    If you think creating answers to leading questions is anything other than dishonest, you’re kidding yourself…

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      Knowing that the answer to these questions is dissonant with your worldview, you choose to attack the form in which it’s presented instead. Let’s rise above that.

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      Explain. Detail for us exactly which parts of the post are dishonest, and how. Cite facts.

      Do it. I dare you.

      You won’t, though, because you can’t. You’re nothing but a troll spreading lies and you know it.

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      Intellectually dishonest post. It’s expected though at this point, coming from the left.

      What does Confirmation Bias mean, again? Speak up for the cheap seats.

      There is nothing this person writes that isn’t caused by the current administration and its rabidly bigoted xenophobes, no economic problem not exacerbated dramatically by the cruel and stupid decisions made by those in power, and no promise reviewed that wasn’t made during campaign and repeated a thousand times.

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        The impressive part is that they’ll still find a way to blame it all on the left, even if reality is in complete disagreement.

        That being said, I suspect the response you will get is: “that is all just a response to DEI, and wouldn’t have been necessary if it weren’t constantly pushed by the left”