Basically he decided that his pension was more important than standing up for Americans if Trump tried to use the Airforce against them
this happened in Israel.
after Bibi made himself above the supreme court, many generals and officers left, being replaced by incompetent loyalists.
a few months later they were so incompetent that oct 7 happened.
took 7 hours to respond, lost a military base which they later bombed killing all including Israeli soldiers stationed there. shelled their own civilians…
a handful of poorly equiped terrorists crossed the most surveilled and defended border in the world without any resistance.
probably the biggest military humiliation in human history.
and now the US military will be as prepared.
if you’re a conservative paranoid about Iran or both Korea bombing the US, you should be having a constant panic attack.
Loyalist will replace him
This is how China will win the war for Taiwan. Incompetent but loyal people get promoted and will end up doing a shit job.
Yeah, these people should not be quitting, they should be doing least effective job to further this fascist takeover. If you quit, a toady sycophant is going to get your job. If you act enthusiastic, and find “reasons” to slow the roll or fuck it up, you can do a lot more damage to the regime for a lot longer
Its unlikey this coward would have done any good even if he stayed. pathetic.
These people who are leaving or getting forced out need to get together and talk about solutions.
Good thing they conveniently all gathered in one place
Top Air Force General Gets Replaced By Trump Loyalist After Resigning Following Hegseth’s Partisan Quantico Speech
fixed that for you.
If you stay in a position where you support fascist regime that makes you a fascist. If you stay on “to prevent things from getting even worse” that will not fly at your eventual court hearing. Also, if they replace all the competent people with sycophantic morons, eventually the whole thing will collapse.
No. If you stay and refuse to follow unlawful and unconstitutional orders, that does not make you a fascist and is a far more effective strategy than allowing your power to be usurped by actual fascists.
That is not the way it works at all.
If you stay in a position where you support fascist regime that makes you a fascist.
Being in the military doesn’t make you a “supporter of a fascist regime”. It puts you in a position to stop fascism some day. The Romanian dictator was executed in 1989 by his own military.
If you stay on “to prevent things from getting even worse” that will not fly at your eventual court hearing.
Those people aren’t going to have an “eventual court hearing”. They are going to have a court hearing for every officer in the US military? Don’t be ridiculous.
Also, if they replace all the competent people with sycophantic morons, eventually the whole thing will collapse.
This is so naive. The Bolsheviks in Russia lasted from 1917 to 1991. China’s dictatorship started in 1949 and is still going strong. More likely than not a dictatorship will last for the rest of your lifetime.
An officer commands a unit. That officer can order troops to deploy to protect citizens.
I’m simultaneously baffled and infuriated by all of the people who are “resigning in protest”.
Like, holy fuck, why are you making it easy for them? Dig your heels in. Nickel-and-dime the bureaucracy. Lean into the minutiae. Get the noncoms to maliciously comply on as many points as possible. Intentionally be inefficient. Throw sand in the gears, and sugar in the gas tank. Drop a bolt somewhere, and “forget” to spot it on FOD walkdown. Over torque. Under torque. Cross thread with ugga dugga. Misalign. There are a SHITLOAD of places where intentional inefficiency can be employed in a defensible fashion. Misinterpret orders. Don’t correct typos and errors, and just do whatever as-written, with minimum effort lip-service. Make it hard for them to take over. Genuinely, why are these approaches not being used more aggressively? I’m completely fucking flummoxed.
I think the worst one was the person who was removed because they wouldn’t prosecute Comey… There were only 5 days left in statute of limitations. He should have just played along but fucked everything up so that way by the time they realized there would be no time left.
Honestly, dishonorable discharge technically allows for a death sentence. If Trump orders a general to shoot American civilians and he refuses, that’s treason, so can be death sentence’d. I’d want to avoid the situation too.
Now if that ACTUALLY happened, at least which ever general with balls gets unalived is going to be a martyr and hopefully a symbol for the resistance. So it takes one guy to take that bullet and the country may never be the same. So I hope someone will do that instead of quitting.
unalived
Quit it. You’re not some vapid influencerati on YouTube
I forgot “vapid influencerati” even use that term, I first heard it on reddit years ago when someone thought it was funny. I swear there was more funny/interesting context to the post that I don’t remember anymore. It was before mass censorship of “bad words” was so prolific. People were still using “kill”, “fuck”, “shit” etc.
The president can’t force a general to do that.
Nobody fucking knows the law anymore -_-
The law doesn’t matter anymore. It’s been established by the supreme court that a sitting republican president can break any law.
If it doesn’t matter anymore then ignore the fascists and tell them no.
You really like this “comply in advanced out of fear” rhetoric don’t you?
It’s not complying if you resign. Difference is whether you’re replaced after refusing to kill people or before - but you’ll be replaced and the next guy will kill people regardless. If you quit before as a high profile individual, you can signal that something is off. If you don’t quit, you may get martyr’d. Which I think most people don’t want, especially anyone with family.
Worse, an insider reports that the generals were all monitored for signs of discomfort and disapproval during the speech. They’re being watched. Anyone not loyal to Trump first and foremost, is going out. Anyone who actually disobeys orders may or may not find their family deported to South America, Africa, whereever, as terrorists. I suspect some of these generals are currently more afraid for their families than you are.
GTFO with your shameful defeatist rhetoric.
Anyone who actually disobeys orders may or may not find their family deported to South America, Africa, whereever
Not. Trump literally has no such power to do anything like this to Americans.
I suspect some of these generals are currently more afraid for their families than you are.
I suspect you are way more afraid of Loserapist Trump than normal Americans who know their rights and can think clearly are. Trump wants you do be afraid. His power depends primarily on you being a spineless coward instead of a proud American who inherited the oldest democracy in the world. You are playing right into his hands.
Normal Americans are already being deported. Look at the list of things that make you a terrorist now. Good luck, I’m watching with pop corn because people like you aren’t willing to admit the rule of law is dead.
Nah this mentality of capitulating to fascists is a stupid and cowardly way to think.
Like I said, these people have families. That specific general said he’s retiring “because of family matters”.
The fuck kinda father is going to put his own children and (if he has them) grandchildren into danger?
Nobody fucking knows the law anymore -_-
Problem is, neither do the judges it seems. I wouldn’t be surprised if something almost as bad as this happens, and the courts side with Trump and friends.
The courts are not siding with Trump most of the time.
The rulings don’t stop him.
We shouldn’t let them stop us either.
Isn’t it the judges who would then issue orders of contempt, or whatever it’s called, calling for the arrest of people who don’t follow their rulings?
~Not rhetorical.~
Apparently arrests only happen to the non rich and non powerful.
Trump has done things that would land you or me in prison for the rest of our lives.
I think judges are too cowardly to arrest the president
Explain ICE’s actions. Explain them now!
All of these illegal actions by ice sure as fuck are going to get investigated when the adults get back in power.
You don’t get what’s happening, do you?
The United States history in the civil war, a recent insurrection, and other events, might have a thing or two to say about that opinion.
Itt would be an “official act.” This one can as long as the DOJ can weaponize against enemies of fascism
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Wow what a good peasant you are!
You only need to follow lawful orders. Ordering the murder of civilians is not lawful. Because the act of murdering civilians is illegal.
We’re talking Trumpistan, not the United States of America tho.
Well in this made up world they can just shoot trump too right? Why are we all acting like the law is already over?
It only goes one way, bud. Don’t ever expect it to go both ways with these people.
I mean, look around? Not saying people are not at risk of the law, but the rule of law is dead in the us.
And yet judges keep ruling and the administration backs down. The concentration camp in Florida, closed. I’m not saying they aren’t flouting it left and right, but it is still there and people are recording what they are doing for when they get thrown out.
The concentration camp in Florida, closed.
Uhhh yeah you might want to re-check the most up to date news on that one.
You still have ice out masked in force, still have camps, still have tarriffed the world, still have open bribery, and still have chilling lawsuits against media. All of which was ruled not cool by judges at some point, and either just done anyway or overruled at the supreme court.
TheSupreme Court will bow to crybaby Shitler
The general would face a court martial or whatever that process is that could lead to a death sentence, and if that process results in a death sentence for refusing to shoot American citizens then absolutely nothing matters.
The general would face a court martial or whatever that process is that could lead to a death sentence
Nope and nope.
Then the general should defend the constitution more directly and aggressively.
That’s the the thing, they won’t be “american citizens” they will be radical ANTIFA terrorists, so it will be okay to shoot them
You know it’s infinitely more likely that those that stick around are going to just take part in atrocities and not actually resist them right? Whatever you think about the law abiding people who try to change the system from within they almost never actually do it they just prolong the system and legitimize the system.
You know it’s infinitely more likely that those that stick around are going to just take part in atrocities and not actually resist them right?
No, we certainly do not “know” that. People with ethics who would consider resigning are not going to take part in atrocities. The people who would take part in atrocities would be the gung ho Treason Trump supporters. We want as few of them as possible replacing normal people.
Unfortunately we do know that, history is very clear.
This is s bummer because we need people who will refuse to do what Trump is asking the military to do and resist him.
Yup. Make them make you leave. Hell, make them drag you out of your office, make them tell your soldiers to disregard your orders, make them work like HELL for it all if you think what’s happening is disgusting, because I guarantee they’re going to fish for someone who’s OK with dropping nukes on Tehran, who’s fine with the military’s guns being turned on the public.
I’ve had spoiled petulant toddler bosses myself and I’ve done the same thing.
You don’t have to put up with some idiot fool who got that position through nepotism or stupidity or both telling you, a trained experienced professional, how to do your job.
Peace the fuck out.
Coward.
A real general would’ve fragged the Nazis
Throw a punch. Be obstinate and get fired. Anything.
Pull a gun, kill a bunch of them. Anything.
A real american would’ve fragged the Nazis
A real American would have scalped the Nazis
And now we get to the point of the meeting.
The ones who stay on make themselves accomplices.
Part of the strategy.
Those against or new world order will quit.
We can then replace them with the cherries WE pick now.
While I don’t really give a shit about US military officers, it really is wild how much the admin and right wing at large has swallowed their own propaganda. Insulting and pissing off your top military command is the exact opposite of what you ever want to do. I listened to him speak, and it really was like he was at Trump rally, rambling about how gay, woke, and weak the military was, to the completely silent high command. He was also incapable of reading the room and realizing no one was clapping, no one was excited.
They’re so fucking stupid.
