So, I’m sure this is a bad idea. But can anyone tell me exactly why? Years ago, in a desperate situation, a doctor told us to get antibiotics for fish and use them, and we had to do that a few times. Some animal products are identical or nearly identical to human products, some are quite different…
With this in particular, how is it different, and why is it bad?
But basically, the electrolyte balance that’s healthy for a horse is quite a lot higher than what is healthy for a human (due to body mass differences, among other things). The magnesium in the horse electrolyte is actually over the lethal dose for a human if taken as written. You could theoretically take it and be fine if you calculate the proper dose yourself, but by that point you’re better off just buying human products, I guess.
EDIT: I was thinking of manganese, not magnesium, but that’s 1500% of the daily intake, not necessarily lethal dose. Sodium, though, is over the lethal dose.
Just to add to this, on human stuff, they have an incentive to not be sued out of existence for a single fuckup In horse medicine, it’s kind of like “Eh, a stiff breeze could have killed that horse!”
That bucket of stuff is probably th same ingredients, but sourced from who knows where cheapest biddder, mixed together by eyeballing it for 30 years on equipment that’s probably barely maintained.
I remember reading up on New Life Spectrum fish food a while ago and they were making the pellets on a salvaged pasta press. No tests for lead or any other contaminants because no one gives a shit about the mental health of ornamental fish. I’m sure it’s slightly more rigorous for horses, but I doubt the sanitation, quality controls, and batch monitoring are up to human grade snuff.
Chubbyemu’s videos are great, but sometimes the story seems a little over the top. Then I remember how many people live in this country/on earth and realize those situations must be happening all the time.
I don’t know about this product specifically, but in general, animal food products are not regulated as much as food for people. This means it may not be as safe.
And almost no other countries are victims of regulatory capture to the degree that the US is.
That seems hard to believe, considering stuff like the “banana republic” thing - surely, the country that gets couped for the purpose of economic exploitation by a foreign power is captured more thoroughly than a country that had at least somewhat democratic institutions?
You’d think so, but guess what country the corporations couping with impunity is almost invariably from?
Past the propaganda, the institutions of the US aren’t actually that democratic. They’ve mostly been designed by and for the rich and powerful from the beginning but especially since the rise of Neoliberalism in the late 70s.
Before Trump, US institutions generally liked to at least keep up the pretense, which means that they often did have to make rules that aren’t as bullshit as they could have been. In south and middle american dictatorships, they don’t have to give a single flying fuck.
Before Trump, US institutions generally liked to at least keep up the pretense
Accurate.
which means that they often did have to make rules that aren’t as bullshit as they could have been
Yes, but that doesn’t mean that they weren’t STILL 80-95% bullshit by volume.
In south and middle american dictatorships, they don’t have to give a single flying fuck.
And they also don’t have anywhere near the pressure from the most powerful corporations in the world.
Or elections designed to be unduly influenced by the highly organized and systemic corruption of corporations and their lobbies rather than the comparatively haphazard organization of less official corruption.
That makes a much bigger difference than the inherent motivation and fear of public resistance of the leaders themselves.
And they also don’t have anywhere near the pressure from the most powerful corporations in the world.
Or elections designed to be unduly influenced by the highly organized and systemic corruption of corporations and their lobbies rather than the comparatively haphazard organization of less official corruption.
In the case of banana republics, corruption for specific corporations is literally their reason for existence.
Being created by United Fruit (now Chiquita) doesn’t entail anywhere near the corporate pressure on all regulations as being the home country of robber baron capitalism.
So, I’m sure this is a bad idea. But can anyone tell me exactly why? Years ago, in a desperate situation, a doctor told us to get antibiotics for fish and use them, and we had to do that a few times. Some animal products are identical or nearly identical to human products, some are quite different…
With this in particular, how is it different, and why is it bad?
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It has enough salt to cause a stroke or a seizure.
horses crave SODIUM
Because if you take horse electrolytes, you wake up the next day with your shoes nailed to your feet with an overwhelming urge to shit in the road.
… so same old same old you’re saying?
This is why we have designated shitting streets.
ohhhhh that explains so much. this fucking country
Chubbyemu explains it best: https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=ifXH86-eIqk
But basically, the electrolyte balance that’s healthy for a horse is quite a lot higher than what is healthy for a human (due to body mass differences, among other things). The magnesium in the horse electrolyte is actually over the lethal dose for a human if taken as written. You could theoretically take it and be fine if you calculate the proper dose yourself, but by that point you’re better off just buying human products, I guess.
EDIT: I was thinking of manganese, not magnesium, but that’s 1500% of the daily intake, not necessarily lethal dose. Sodium, though, is over the lethal dose.
Just to add to this, on human stuff, they have an incentive to not be sued out of existence for a single fuckup In horse medicine, it’s kind of like “Eh, a stiff breeze could have killed that horse!”
That bucket of stuff is probably th same ingredients, but sourced from who knows where cheapest biddder, mixed together by eyeballing it for 30 years on equipment that’s probably barely maintained.
I remember reading up on New Life Spectrum fish food a while ago and they were making the pellets on a salvaged pasta press. No tests for lead or any other contaminants because no one gives a shit about the mental health of ornamental fish. I’m sure it’s slightly more rigorous for horses, but I doubt the sanitation, quality controls, and batch monitoring are up to human grade snuff.
I somehow did not get the notification that he posted a new video thank you kind internet stranger. I have been a fan of his work for years
Chubbyemu’s videos are great, but sometimes the story seems a little over the top. Then I remember how many people live in this country/on earth and realize those situations must be happening all the time.
Yeah, 1 in a million happens more than 7000 times a day.
This is how to use what our parents called the information superhighway responsibly right here. Well done Sir/Ma’am/other 🫡
It’s the dosage I think. Chubbyemu did a video on this exact thing.
https://youtu.be/LUGdQnxuixI
I don’t know about this product specifically, but in general, animal food products are not regulated as much as food for people. This means it may not be as safe.
Depends on the animal and the jurisdiction. As far as I’m aware, dog and especially cat food is more tightly regulated than human food in the US.
Horse food though? Not so much.
And almost no other countries are victims of regulatory capture to the degree that the US is.
That seems hard to believe, considering stuff like the “banana republic” thing - surely, the country that gets couped for the purpose of economic exploitation by a foreign power is captured more thoroughly than a country that had at least somewhat democratic institutions?
You’d think so, but guess what country the corporations couping with impunity is almost invariably from?
Past the propaganda, the institutions of the US aren’t actually that democratic. They’ve mostly been designed by and for the rich and powerful from the beginning but especially since the rise of Neoliberalism in the late 70s.
Before Trump, US institutions generally liked to at least keep up the pretense, which means that they often did have to make rules that aren’t as bullshit as they could have been. In south and middle american dictatorships, they don’t have to give a single flying fuck.
Accurate.
Yes, but that doesn’t mean that they weren’t STILL 80-95% bullshit by volume.
And they also don’t have anywhere near the pressure from the most powerful corporations in the world.
Or elections designed to be unduly influenced by the highly organized and systemic corruption of corporations and their lobbies rather than the comparatively haphazard organization of less official corruption.
That makes a much bigger difference than the inherent motivation and fear of public resistance of the leaders themselves.
In the case of banana republics, corruption for specific corporations is literally their reason for existence.
Yes, but that’s just one corporation.
Being created by United Fruit (now Chiquita) doesn’t entail anywhere near the corporate pressure on all regulations as being the home country of robber baron capitalism.
Specifically around things like cleanliness and packaging. Places that make vet medicine would not pass a health inspection.