On no fewer than three separate occasions I’ve been accused of propagating “Russian talking points” when I make verifiable, factual statements about the war in Ukraine. Three different people, three different occasions, but they all repeat the same shit.

Where does this come from? Is this Rachel Maddow lib slop, or something more widespread? I have never once heard this phrase used in any media that I consume, only as a thought-and-conversation terminating “rebuttal” and a way to avoid engaging with the actual substance of what I am saying about the war.

The irony of course is that “Russian talking points” is itself a talking point so it is, as usual, just projection projection

It’s like some sort of propagandist got a list of all the inconvenient facts about Ukraine (nazis, lack of democracy, corruption, etc etc) and then just slapped a ‘RUSSIAN TALKING POINTS’ sticker onto them and delivered the package to libs all over the world.

But, seriously, WHERE DOES THIS ORIGINATE?

  • MarmiteLover123 [comrade/them, any]@hexbear.net
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    26 days ago

    I know it most likely doesn’t apply to you, but there is absolutely a ton of straight up factually inaccurate information from pro Russian sources (or people who support Russia) out there that spreads on social media. For instance “Russia would never invade Ukraine, it’s just a military exercise” that lots of people were saying over three years ago.

    That’s not to say that factually inaccurate information doesn’t exist on the pro NATO/pro west side, it absolutely does, sometimes to a greater degree. (See all the people saying that Russia’s economy would crash instantly upon the imposition of sanctions). It’s just that Russia is quite bold with this kind of thing on the English speaking internet (though vehicles like RT or their network of telegram and Twitter accounts). Usually by the end of the week after first appearing, this factually inaccurate information breaks containment and is all over social media, being reposted by people who should know better, all repeating the same line of thought and sounding the exact same. Hence the “Russian talking points” critique that libs have picked up and ran with.

    The latest round of factually inaccurate information from pro Russian sources (I guess you could call it the latest “Russian talking point” in lib vocabulary) is that it would be impossible for Ukraine to get the required military equipment to launch Tomahawk cruise missiles. Again, this is being reposted by people who should know better, and they’re all repeating the same “talking point” with the same incorrect arguments, like a bunch of robots who couldn’t be bothered to google “post INF treaty cruise missile tests”, and just repeat whatever they read from their favourite telegram or Twitter account.