For 40 years Iran has performed more gender transition surgeries than many other nations, largely a result of pressuring gay and gender-nonconforming citizens to undergo unwanted operations or risk the death penalty. Now, faced with an economy crippled by war and sanctions, the Islamic republic is promoting its expertise to a global audience, hoping to attract transgender foreigners with the promise of inexpensive surgeries packaged with luxury hotel stays and sightseeing tours. Desperate for foreign investment, Iran’s theocratic government has set a goal of generating more than $7 billion from medical tourism annually, according to Iranian state news media, about seven times as much as it earned last year. That objective has resulted in the proliferation of medical tourism companies, marketing not just nose jobs and hair transplants, but vaginoplasties, mastectomies and penis constructions through glossy English-language websites.

So in a country where gender affirming care is nigh-impossible, and repression of trans people is third-reich levels, an article goes out condemning Iran for allowing high-quality gender transition surgeries more than many other nations wtf .

The reporting

In Iran, gay men and lesbians can be punished by public flogging and the death penalty. As a result, the United Nations Human Rights Council found, many gay and lesbian Iranians who are not trans are “pressured into undergoing gender reassignment surgery without their free consent.

The evidence

The Committee is also concerned about reports of gay and lesbian Iranians being pressured into undergoing gender reassignment surgery without their free consent

There is no further inclusion of these reports (or I’m reading the UN document wrong). Please help me understand if this is bullshit or there’s some factuality behind this claim. This kind of reporting also does an amazing job at sparking strife between trans / gay and lesbian individuals I feel.

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    the newspaper that headlined zionist rioting for the right to r*pe detainees as “Unrest At Army Base” and only obliquely mentioned it in the second-to-last paragraph, Judith Miller’s New York Times

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      Guh that was disgusting

      spoiler

      The unrest at the bases reflected the depth of disagreement among Israelis, including within the military, about the extent to which soldiers should be held accountable for abusing Palestinians accused of participating in the Hamas-led Oct. 7 attacks on Israel and the subsequent ground war in Gaza.

      Yeah I don’t think if weather of not people should be held accountable for removed is even up for discussion you can consider your society ‘liberal’

      And your right throughout the many-hundred word article I count one mention of removed’, one ‘sexual abuse’ and one ‘abuse’

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        revolting levels of debasement and deceit from the class of media people who hold themselves up as “good guys”

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    Without doxing myself too much I’m a gay persian dude and no I have literally never heard this ever from anyone in Iran. This is the first I’m hearing of it from an American propaganda source

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      very-intelligent Have you considered you might have stockholm syndrome animal farm 1984 george orwell? How about you listen to American liberals, the only people who really know what Iran is like.

      Jokes aside, f you don’t mind, do you have any first/second hand accounts of what it’s actually like to be gay in Iran?

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        I moved to the US as a kid then moved out of the US with my partner many years later but I’ve been back to Iran a few times on holiday with my family to visit. But yeah, it is an underground culture that is present in places if you’re in the know. I imagine it is a lot like it was in the US in the 70s which was before my time. A lot of it is organized with mobile phones and encrypted apps now. It is illegal but it is also illegal to witness homosexual acts so, yeah there is a don’t ask don’t tell feel about it. Because I have a choice I don’t want to live there, I much prefer Mexico lol

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      If I recall, this has been a big thing in the anti-Muslim/anti-Trans propaganda sphere for decades, saying how it’s super evil that they not only hate gays, but then force you to be trans. It’s very brainwormed fascist nonsense.

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    Those reports of pressure are not new but even Wik-IC-pedia says it’s “media speculation about the transgender community” (always bullshit), and that multiple surveys or studies said “no, it’s mostly trans people getting trans surgery.”

    Iran doesn’t have a high enough level of trans liberation for people to transition for social acceptance. Also, cis people don’t really do that much, ever, because it gives you gender dysphoria. They couldn’t find an Iranian who was like “yeah I’m actually just gay but doing this helps me avoid consequences for that”.

    I’m comfortable calling this a transphobic myth. It leans on homophobia, Islamophobia, assumptions of backwards-ness. It’s fake Jim

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    The way it was explained to me by college professors back in the 00s, the Iranian government is very homophobic, so same-sex relationships are never allowed. But if one partner (is forced to) transition and the relationship is now man+woman, that’s fine by them. I’ve seen this understanding repeated over the years but idk if I’ve ever seen it repeated by an Iranian person

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    article goes out condemning Iran for allowing high-quality gender transition surgeries more than many other nations !

    Where is it doing that?

    It seems it´s only condemning them for forcing these on people (or putting them to death if they refuse)

    If anything, the article seems to praise them for opening these up to foreigners

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        Sure, but that’s not the point I was making. I simply chose to point out the OP’s most obvious lie.

        With regard to the accusation of Iran forcing it on people, you’re both right that the article that the OP chose to comment on only refers to a short conclusionary UN report, which does not include references to its claims.

        But it would probably have taken the OP less time to do their research into this and find some sources than it took them to make their post and put in some quotes and a funny picture. To then imply that it must be a lie because the information was not presented to them on a silver platter.

        It really just takes 1-2 minutes to find articles on this like this one. I first read about this issue after Israel bombed the prison where Iran was keeping lgbtqai+ and trans prisoners.

        Even if you don’t think it’s necessary to put in 2 minutes of research before posting stuff like this on the internet, I would advise everyone to be very careful to question the UN or (somewhat reputable) journalists regarding Iran doing some crazy shit

        It’s public that Iranian law prescribes the death penalty for male-on-male sex. Or adultery or repeated sex outside marriage for that matter. If your government is going to kill you for loving the person you love, do you really think some of those people wouldn’t agree to gender surgery if that meant they’d stay alive?