• Riddick3001@lemmy.world
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    8 days ago

    I dont understand; what does the 40 B us$ Milei ( Argentina) got , have to do with Venezuela dictatorship and Gringo army exactly?

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      8 days ago

      If Venezuela had an election, would any candidate but Trump’s favorit win? The same effort as in Argentina would be made to have a desired outcome.

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        8 days ago

        they had an election (in Venezuela )"already. I edited my prior remark with a link. don’t know about the elected President except he lives in Spain now.

        Milei in Argentina, was elected before Trump gave him money and even before Trumps administration.

        So if you are asking me, then No, what you are suggesting(#) never was the case afaik. But if you have different information then I’m curious what you have. Everything I know was that (unfortunately idiotic imo) the Argentina president was democratically elected, just like Trump was.
        In Venezuela there was an election but the diactorship of Maduro didn’t step down, and there were protests and civilians were killed, opposition jailed.

        Ed; the problem is foresee is that Milei who’s loosing popularity, and should maybe step down?, might be endorsed by the 40 B of Trump’s friend. The Argentina economy is doing very badly now and 40 B won’t help, some experts say.

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          7 days ago

          might be endorsed by the 40 B of Trump’s friend

          What do you mean? That it influences his decisions?

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            7 days ago

            Yes that too. He’s like buying him. And also, I mean that It helps the current President to win more popularity with the people.

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              7 days ago

              You asked for proof but I just have the feeling that the US do this all the time in South America, much like they do it in the EU.

              Washington’s Soft Coup: How MAGA Politics Are Rewriting Europe

              https://feddit.org/post/21574783

              How can a small country like Venezuela have an election where the US doesn’t try and succeed at letting the right-wing candidate win?

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                Ah yes for sure. In the past there are many examples: Check out Operation Condor and confessions of economic hitman.. This book had critique beacuse there wasn’t enough proof, but imo, it seems like there is a kernel of truth.

                And yes, in Europe USA, but also Rusia & China) have done and are doing it . That’s power & geopolitics.

                I thought you might know more aabout especially Milei election interference in Argentina when he first was elected?

                Sometimes people make mistakes and vote for wrong party of persons. That happens all the time, so without interference people also make mistakes.

                And ofcourse all major powers influence one and another. Either by diplomacy or by coercion or clandestine operations in more extreme cases. But not all choices are because external influences thats what I meant.

                How can a small country like Venezuela have an election

                Good question. Well anyhow, they had one in 2023 like I mentioned. And even with all fraud the opposition won. So that’s a strong signal. Iirc, Trump is supporting some Woman candidate?

                Add; normally the U.N send observers to sort of check whether a country had fair elections. ans they then advise the U.N.

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                  7 days ago

                  Well anyhow they had one in 2023 like I mentioned.

                  By the logic of power, wouldn’t that be the candidate supported by the US to reprivatice the oil production? In that case, how much does that victory count as the will of the people?

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                    By the logic of power, wouldn’t that be the candidate supported by the US to reprivatice the oil production?

                    Probably, but idk. Also most countries outsource their oilwinnings anyway. The question is to whom indeed, and what kind op deal they’ll make. Right now, afaik, the oiloutput is just a margin of what it was ( see graph).

                    In the end that’s something the representatives of the people will have to decide when the times come, and hopefully they make a right choice, or maybe they are corrupt. We’ll see. Usually Venezuelans ( which have a strong socialist history) don’t like and trust the USA very much, so maybe not? Or maybe they’re despepate and will go to extreme right, like Argentina. Venezuela is now a very very bad place to live in, the people are desperate.

                    EDIT: " Maria Corina Machado is a very capable politician. She’s captured the imagination of the vast majority of Venezuelans, as was evidenced by her victory in the primary and then having her second substitute, Edmundo Gonzalez, win an overwhelming electoral victory in July of last year. " According to an interesting politico article also centre right politically according to wiki This means it’s like 90% that she’ll work with Trump. So your assessment was correct.