Looks like redditors have discovered that /r/AskSocialists was taken over by the ACP. But then posts criticizing them have been getting deleted in /r/socialism, too, so seems they’re also in there. Since /r/thedeprogram was shut down it doesn’t seem good for the left on reddit, although at least a bunch of people are aware of the issue now.

  • LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    they’re the american communist party which seems to be national bolsheviks based on their online presence

    but for what it’s worth two of the three politically active (meaning actually does things, organizes) people I know IRL are active members (or at least the one’s partner is) so although it’s largely derided as a kkkrackkker project by Hexbear, like, the guy’s a black Haitian, and both of them say they’re doing good work locally feeding people and shit

    edit: not going to unblock someone who’s annoyed me to let you argue at me but I’m not “making an argument” I’m pointing out that, at least in my experience, there’s a disconnect with “it’s a white supremacist cracker movement” (online opinion) and the actual opinions of the actual people I know, in person, here in the real world. I’m sorry the opinions of people from marginalized backgrounds don’t matter when they do things you don’t like? the takeaway shouldn’t be “ACP GOOD” anyway, it seems to me more that there’s a disconnect between the national leaders (weird nazbol “patsoc” fucks) and the actual local and regional members, based on the things that this specific person has told me

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      I’m sorry the opinions of people from marginalized backgrounds don’t matter when they do things you don’t like?

      Don’t use identity as a shield for a nazbol organization, that’s straightforwardly disgusting and you can’t tell me that you aren’t doing that just like you can’t convincingly pretend that you aren’t making an argument. Why even pretend that you aren’t? So you can’t be wrong? That’s consistent with this line, in that both are intellectually dishonest excuses.

      Your human shield of a friend is helping to launder the reputation of a virulently reactionary organization. Even if the work that individual does under the ACP is good in the most narrow, proximate sense, they are nonetheless doing PR for a party that seeks to cause immense harm.

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      Vile reactionary organizations can opportunistically do good things to win people over. Saying they’ve got a black Haitian member feeding homeless people just isn’t a moving argument.

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      it seems to me more that there’s a disconnect between the national leaders (weird nazbol “patsoc” fucks) and the actual local and regional members, based on the things that this specific person has told me

      If that’s the only “critique” that person has, then for all intent and purposes, their party operates exactly the same as the CPUSA, the party they claim to both supplanted and improved upon, which is to say there is an entrenched clique in the party leadership who undemocratically control the party and have zero means of being held accountable or replaced by rank-and-file members.

      I levy that it’s a literal personality cult who’s membership is composed of gullible yesmen who’s journey towards becoming a communist from most likely a rabid reactionary position was intercepted by the petite bourgeois radicals, national chauvinistic reactionaries disguised as communists, feds and fascists that makes up their ideological and party leadership. There is zero reason to tolerate any member of their party in any public space they enter.

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        I levy that it’s a literal personality cult who’s membership is composed of gullible yesmen who’s journey towards becoming a communist from most likely a rabid reactionary position was intercepted by the petite bourgeois radicals, national chauvinistic reactionaries disguised as communists, feds and fascists that makes up their ideological and party leadership. There is zero reason to tolerate any member of their party in any public space they enter.

        yeah well I mentioned it because neither of the two people I know who are in this party are like that so idk what to tell you, you don’t need to tell me not to join some nazbol party

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      I’ve heard the same thing before, about people on the ground doing good work and generally disconnected from the leadership. I guess I should’ve mentioned that, too.