Looks like redditors have discovered that /r/AskSocialists was taken over by the ACP. But then posts criticizing them have been getting deleted in /r/socialism, too, so seems they’re also in there. Since /r/thedeprogram was shut down it doesn’t seem good for the left on reddit, although at least a bunch of people are aware of the issue now.
From what I’ve learned about them (just online shit, idk, not amerikkkan), this seems like it’s not explicitly a goal, but a result of their ‘direct industrial proles’ vs everyone analysis. Because they truly believe that this is the only contradiction that matters, they strategically don’t push back against American nationalism. It’s what anyone would do with that analysis. It’s just that analysis is completely wrong and horrible lol
IMO that’s a bit too generous, they openly encourage it.
True lol.
Not gonna say you’re wrong because I only see shit online about them, just that everything I’ve seen up to know can be clarified with my analysis. Very open to hearing that they’re also just outright US nationalists, though. Makes em easier to write off
It was briefly mentioned elsewhere in this thread, but not explained in detail. “MAGA Communism” is not a pejorative term for the ACP, it’s an actual strategy/ideology they advocate of courting the MAGA movement and emphasizing “patriotism” (nationalism). The actually describe it as “MAGA Communism”, it isn’t a label applied to them by others.
It’s more or less what you have described, with the addition of explicitly advocating anti-internationalist (and “patriotic” AKA nationalist) and socially conservative positions (among others). If you have the misfortune of having read the things Infrahaz and Hinkle (founders of the party) write, they’re very plainly and proudly nationalists. It goes further than a passive strategic acceptance of nationalism and bigotry. Haz described himself as a “patriotic socialist”. Hinkle described himself as “American PATRIOT, GOD fearing, Pro-FAMILY, Marxist Leninist, Pro-PALESTINE, RUSSIA & CHINA, Anti-DEEP STATE, Anti-IMPERIALIST, Anti-WOKE, Pro-GROWTH, ANTI-MONOPOLY, Pro-GUN, [and] Pro-FOSSIL FUEL”. They align themselves with Dugin and LaRouchites.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Communist_Party_(2024)#MAGA_Communism
This is just a rounding error away from actual hitlerism. This man is the chairman of the party.
Oh yeah that’s all shit and horrible. I guess I still see all of this as following from the simplified and entirely incorrect analysis (or at least it could explain it, I guess maybe for Haz it went the other way by starting at conservative and nationalistic values and then finding an analysis that supports it).
I guess the more important question than “how did they reach these shit standpoints”, it’s more important to know how to propagandize and work against it. Does the way we answer the ‘how did they get here’ question have an impact on that? I think so, and that it’s more useful to start with the mistake in class definition than to start at the nationalism as their kernel. But I’m not like super convinced of this