• BabyTurtles [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    21 hours ago

    They say they’re being harassed for “speaking truth to power”, and right wing reactionary chuds and Nazis say the exact same thing. I hear all the time that “people hated Charlie Kirk because he spoke truth to power”.

    Also, no, engaging in those things doesn’t make you a communist at all, you can do all of those things and still not be one. In fact, you could argue all of those things actually help the system you are fighting survive, especially if you’re not doing them within a revolutionary organization.

    They don’t make you a communist, they make you a good person. Everyone will be overwhelmingly more receptive to listening to your theory, when you’ve established yourself as a good person and not a bad person.

    “Don’t be a good person because you might help slow the collapse” isn’t communist either, it’s accelerationist.

    I think the plot gets lost way too early when people start treating it like culture war slop when the whole point was to make everything better for the most people possible.

    Communism is not a hard sell when you meet people where they’re at, and speak to their needs and fears, instead of treating it like your moral high horse.

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      They say they’re being harassed for “speaking truth to power”, and right wing reactionary chuds and Nazis say the exact same thing. I hear all the time that “people hated Charlie Kirk because he spoke truth to power”.

      One person saying something that is an absurd lie does not mean everyone who says it is a liar. You know this. Do you not see this happen literally every day with anti-zionists? I sure do.

      When she says that, she explains that she was harassed, stalked and threatened in connection to her anti-war advocacy in the wake of 9/11. That’s a completely expected result in some places (as the older protestors in her story acknowledge), even if I think some aspects of what she says are wrong-headed.

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        One person saying something that is an absurd lie does not mean everyone who says it is a liar. You know this. Do you not see this happen literally every day with anti-zionists? I sure do.

        Coopting right-wing reactionary language is unhelpful, no matter how right or justified you feel. At best you’ve muddied the waters, at worst the libs are now pointing at you saying, “look they talk just like Nazis”.

        On a deeper level, persecution complex is a Western/US issue, rooted in Christian Puritan values. Even for people who aren’t Christian, it’s subconsciously ingrained.

        Just let it go, stop feeling bad about yourself because people were not receptive to your message. Rewrite it into a better message. Anti-war, pro-socialism, pro-communism sentiment is on the rise. Don’t be like the Dems and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

        When she says that, she explains that she was harassed, stalked and threatened in connection to her anti-war advocacy in the wake of 9/11

        Absolutely not okay that happened. Harassment and threats are never acceptable. And in hindsight, their anti-war stance aged like fine wine, as the same warhawks eager to invade Afghanistan and Iraq in 2001 pretend they knew it was a mistake the whole time in 2025. The tides turned and being anti-invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan is extremely popular today.

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          I was serious about thinking she is wrong headed in some respects and more specifically is somewhat reactionary in her wrong-headedness, because these ideas about how you’re always going to be unpopular and have the people against you and the people will be ungrateful when it turned out that you were right is all fucking bullshit from someone severely socially maladjusted who has let that corrupt their political perspective.

          But the specific part about being ruthlessly attacked for “speaking truth to power” is correct and justified and in no way inherently tied to reaction. It’s also a common phrase in progressive circles (in fact I hear it more from progressives).

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            But the specific part about being ruthlessly attacked for “speaking truth to power” is correct and justified and in no way inherently tied to reaction. It’s also a common phrase in progressive circles (in fact I hear it more from progressives).

            I have to say I do slightly envy you from living around mostly progressives because I’m telling you, when a Nazi finds out they’re hated for their beliefs, their immediate response is, “you hate me because I’m speaking the ‘truth’ and you can’t handle it”, and they take hate as validation for digging in deeper to their Nazi beliefs. The “truth” being, “race realism”, or whatever way they rebrand their shitter bigotry.

            You get the same thing from racist white Facebook Karens, “the lion does not concern itself with the opinions of the sheep”. It’s so common it’s like a corny meme.

            I’m also just way too aware of how racists and Nazis act online and it’s not a comfortable place to be either.

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              I’m completely aware of Nazis talking about speaking the truth, though also that’s something almost everyone does, but the specific phrase “speaking truth to power” is the progressive association I was talking about.

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          I think you have a small point about annoying lifestylist-leftists get off on making marxism, etc. seem like a countercultural undertaking and we’re so fucking cool and hard for doing it. Which is the worst sales pitch of all time to anyone else that isn’t a lifestylist as well.

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      They say they’re being harassed for “speaking truth to power”, and right wing reactionary chuds and Nazis say the exact same thing. I hear all the time that “people hated Charlie Kirk because he spoke truth to power”.

      Should we also abandon our anti-zionist positions since antisemites espouse them as well? Or give up guns to the government because the chuds are all gun nuts?

      They don’t make you a communist, they make you a good person. Everyone will be overwhelmingly more receptive to listening to your theory, when you’ve established yourself as a good person and not a bad person.

      Yeah, because the guy who just received 70 millions votes in an election in her country is the exemplar of being a good fucking person. Aremoved, pedophile, war criminal and a scammer. Yet people like him and listen to him. Not because he’s a good person, but because he promised them an improvement in their material conditions amidst a crumbling economy in the last election. The Bolsheviks didn’t win because they were nice, but because they promised the people peace, land and bread. They knew the whites were principally opposed to this, and the best propaganda they could conjure up was antisemitic bullshit, which is why they got their ass kicked.

      “Don’t be a good person because you might help slow the collapse” isn’t communist either, it’s accelerationist.

      Which is why I was very careful in saying that it wasn’t effective unless done with a principled communist organization.

      Communism is not a hard sell when you meet people where they’re at, and speak to their needs and fears, instead of treating it like your moral high horse.

      That’s what Mamdani is doing in a way, entryist politics simply looking the improve the local conditions in NYC. Do you think he’s gonna be some revolutionary leader? You can do that, but only inside a principled organization that also educates it’s members in theory.