Social media is mostly bots, most people hate the government
Liberals are at a point where they hate the Dems and the GOP
The right wing coalition is falling apart with Candace owens, Tucker carlson, and Nick Fuentes separating the Nazis from the evangelical Christians.
Material conditions are getting worse, but we haven’t had the ai bubble pop or war with Venezuela. Either will make life way worse for the west and we’re gonna see chaos.
Idk what’s gonna happen, but I think trump 2.0 has kinda turned a lot of people away from the right by both making material conditions worse and being mean and annoying.
Look at any news sub on reddit and it’s filled with pro Israel bots and shit. But the amount of obvious pro Israel propaganda from the state and by bots and shit was so obvious it’s now turning every right winger under the age of 40 into a Nazi.
I don’t think the mass botting campaigns work. They only make people more upset at the right and make the right look like extremely annoying assholes.
The right won a lot of ground by going “Le woke is trying to put politics into everything”
But now every fucking social media thread about sports or video games or movies gets brigaded by obvious right wing bots, even the most stupid liberals I know hate it.
People hate this it makes it seem like right wingers are now the annoying sjw that makes everything about politics (they always have been) and since most people under 40 get their news from tiktok and shit the bots and MSM manufacturing consent campaigns don’t work.
My mother is 60 and gets her news from tiktok. She doesn’t want the US to invade Venezuela, literally nobody does only bots do.
It’s backfiring but I think the admin is super on twitter and think it’s working. I think they legit do not understand that they’re getting everyone to hate them and theyre making material conditions worse. I think they also believe more in the polymarket shit than polls because they’re that stupid.
What happens next? Trump’s polling is the worst it’s ever been. The right wing coalition has collapsed and now maga is basically only the white evangelical boomers.
If material conditions get worse we’re gonna see more Luigis and Tyler Robinsons in a country with way to many guns.
I think your perspective is biased based on where you live. The people that I meet in real life tend to be more right wing than social media.
If you think the right wing is collapsing, then who are all of the people signing up to become members of the ICE gestapo?
Also tiktok is very soon to be owned by the Zionist Billionaire Trump-Loyalist Larry Ellison.
I don’t think you need to truly believe in the immigration project to join when the economy is shit, cost of living is increased, and “high paying” jobs are harder to access. They had the sign on bonus + high salaries to basically puff your chase. Same reason poor folk joined the military back in the day, it’s stable income.
Not to say none are right wing weirdos living a fantasy but saying they added the sign up bonus because there wasn’t enough.
Did Graham Platner write this post? You can’t be a member of the ICE gestapo and not be right wing. It does not matter what the ICE agents believe on a personal level. The act of violently kidnapping and deporting lawful migrants is right wing.
I’ve met people working in defense companies who are liberals, hate MAGA, and under different circumstances could’ve been on our side. I don’t say that to rehabilitate them, they still have the blood of innocent people on their hands. But I think that you’re overstating the prevalence of the ideology of fascism if you assume that everyone who materially supports fascism is also ideologically committed to it.
What can be done with that observation? Probably not much, it’s not like it makes any sense to try to convert people working in ICE or Raytheon. But it never hurts to be more accurate.
This also describes the nazis and every German who went along with the Holocaust. Plenty of Germans did the whole “I don’t support Hitler but this economy is worse!” shtick as they allowed the SS to haul away their neighbors and coworkers.
It is not enough to be not fascist in a fascist society. One must be actively anti-fascist. Complacency is what allows fascism to spread. It doesn’t matter if they aren’t ideologically committed to it because they are still enabling it and should be considered enemies of the left.
Yes I agree 100%, what I’m saying is that it’s not like the project of socialism that we want to build will be made with an entirely innocent population that hasn’t already materially aided fascism. The GDR was built on top of the ruins of Nazi Germany, and even though they did a solid job of de-nazifying, it would be silly to think that no one in the new socialist government had materially aided the previous fascist regime. I can’t emphasize enough that I’m not trying to rehabilitate these people, I’m just trying to say that when trying to determine how prevalence the ideology of fascism is one can’t simply count everyone who materially supports fascism as also being someone who is ideologically bought into it. As @CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net mentioned this implies that fascism and liberalism are ideologically equivalent (which I don’t entirely agree with, I still think there’s a difference, but it’s clearly true that liberalism is always ready to enforce fascism and people who subscribe to liberalism are one scratch away from being fascists in practice).
I have too and this actually is a prime example of why Liberals are ideologically fascists too.
Circumstances such as choosing not to work for the war machine? We don’t have different circumstances and their choices are partly why.
Isn’t that just a difference of personally believing right wing ideology and enacting it? I believe that everyone who signs up for ice is either pro ice or at the very least doesn’t care enough about immigrants and just wants money. They are certainly doing right wing actions.
The person is talking about beliefs very explicitly. That has no bearing on where or not they are a tool of the right (they are) or whether or not they are culpable (they are).
I’m saying when people are placed in a system that requires them to have some form of income and they’re under new constraints from the economy where prices goes up, suddenly their morals have a price tag. And as another comment highlighted, some don’t care about immigration enough- they fell for propaganda or think they’re morally correct- and the pay is too good to pass up when they’re basically taking whoever walks in.
It’s a bit of both imo. There absolutely is a lot of bot activity on social media. Like half of all the really right wing stuff I see on Instagram follows the same username pattern: First name, random string of numbers. I have no doubt that the (artificial) influx of right wing content is radicalising people though.
If it is radicalizing people it’s not radicalizing enough.
I think it’s mostly just reniforcing what the ghouls in the admin like miller and Vance believe
I currently live in a working class area in Dublin.
But I’m from America and I used to live in New Mexico and Massachusetts.
Everyone I know from back home doesn’t fall for this and fucking hates the US government and they definitely aren’t groypers. They find that shit gross. And that includes the white men from New Mexico who can be very racist.
I have yet to speak to an actual person irl from either Europe or the USA who supports or likes this shit.
My boomer maga parents find Owens and fuentes gross and they want me to detransition.
I think there is a very loud and proud minority emboldened by the government who are joining ice, but also the economy is so shit, there are no jobs, don’t be surprised if a lot of people joined ice for the big pay packages.
yeah, where i live people still love him for all the culture war shit, when it comes to things that more directly impact them and theirs (tariffs, healthcare costs, inflation in general, war in venezuela) they just ignore it or shrug it off as “the way things are”
People love trump, because it’s a cult of personality.
When he dies maga falls apart.
People think Vance and Miller are gross
ICE hired less than 10,000 people this year in a country of 342,000,000
The SS didn’t have the numbers to enact the Holocaust by themselves, either. They relied on local law enforcement, the rest of the German military, and people willing to snitch on their neighbors. ICE doesn’t need large numbers if people are calling them to report immigrants while local cops help them with arrests.
Everything you said is correct, but I was not talking about whether ICE in its current numbers is able to carry out its project. The other poster was using ICE recruitment as evidence of USians being as right wing as it appears on social media, and I was showing how the number of new ICE recruits is far too small to convince me of any opinion trend for the general population
What I’m pointing out is they have enough rightwing supporters outside of ICE. Being an ICE agent isn’t a deal breaker for Americans because the organization continues to operate. There are people actively trying to sabotage ICE (such as doxing agents or following them around to report their location) who get punished for doing so.
Cops will arrest them. A lawyer will prosecute them. A judge and jury will convict them. All of these are part of a system that is rightwing who Americans support. Liberals are not our friends because as much as they piss and moan about Trump, they still support him and his policies at the end of it all. They just don’t like how he says the quiet part out loud. Case in point: deportations under Obama and Biden. This country is thoroughly rightwing.
A lot of people are blind to Americans’ complacency. Everybody isn’t literally a Nazi, but one’s participation in mundane imperial life is complacency with the project and ultimately supportive of it. A lot of bad can be televised and shared with these people and not much done, so long as it doesn’t affect them too bad personally. And for most crackers it wouldn’t.
But there’s right wing and right wing. Like, there’s right wingers who are in unions and support universal Healthcare and these people should be organized with on those particular goals. Through organizing with them and being open about our positions we can move a lot of them on gender, race, and immigration issues. Not all of them, but a good number, and importantly, we can move the activists and community leaders.