Social media is mostly bots, most people hate the government
Liberals are at a point where they hate the Dems and the GOP
The right wing coalition is falling apart with Candace owens, Tucker carlson, and Nick Fuentes separating the Nazis from the evangelical Christians.
Material conditions are getting worse, but we haven’t had the ai bubble pop or war with Venezuela. Either will make life way worse for the west and we’re gonna see chaos.
Idk what’s gonna happen, but I think trump 2.0 has kinda turned a lot of people away from the right by both making material conditions worse and being mean and annoying.
Look at any news sub on reddit and it’s filled with pro Israel bots and shit. But the amount of obvious pro Israel propaganda from the state and by bots and shit was so obvious it’s now turning every right winger under the age of 40 into a Nazi.
I don’t think the mass botting campaigns work. They only make people more upset at the right and make the right look like extremely annoying assholes.
The right won a lot of ground by going “Le woke is trying to put politics into everything”
But now every fucking social media thread about sports or video games or movies gets brigaded by obvious right wing bots, even the most stupid liberals I know hate it.
People hate this it makes it seem like right wingers are now the annoying sjw that makes everything about politics (they always have been) and since most people under 40 get their news from tiktok and shit the bots and MSM manufacturing consent campaigns don’t work.
My mother is 60 and gets her news from tiktok. She doesn’t want the US to invade Venezuela, literally nobody does only bots do.
It’s backfiring but I think the admin is super on twitter and think it’s working. I think they legit do not understand that they’re getting everyone to hate them and theyre making material conditions worse. I think they also believe more in the polymarket shit than polls because they’re that stupid.
What happens next? Trump’s polling is the worst it’s ever been. The right wing coalition has collapsed and now maga is basically only the white evangelical boomers.
If material conditions get worse we’re gonna see more Luigis and Tyler Robinsons in a country with way to many guns.
I think your perspective is biased based on where you live. The people that I meet in real life tend to be more right wing than social media.
If you think the right wing is collapsing, then who are all of the people signing up to become members of the ICE gestapo?
Also tiktok is very soon to be owned by the Zionist Billionaire Trump-Loyalist Larry Ellison.
If you think the right wing is collapsing, then who are all of the people signing up to become members of the ICE gestapo?
I don’t think you need to truly believe in the immigration project to join when the economy is shit, cost of living is increased, and “high paying” jobs are harder to access. They had the sign on bonus + high salaries to basically puff your chase. Same reason poor folk joined the military back in the day, it’s stable income.
Not to say none are right wing weirdos living a fantasy but saying they added the sign up bonus because there wasn’t enough.
Did Graham Platner write this post? You can’t be a member of the ICE gestapo and not be right wing. It does not matter what the ICE agents believe on a personal level. The act of violently kidnapping and deporting lawful migrants is right wing.
I’ve met people working in defense companies who are liberals, hate MAGA, and under different circumstances could’ve been on our side. I don’t say that to rehabilitate them, they still have the blood of innocent people on their hands. But I think that you’re overstating the prevalence of the ideology of fascism if you assume that everyone who materially supports fascism is also ideologically committed to it.
What can be done with that observation? Probably not much, it’s not like it makes any sense to try to convert people working in ICE or Raytheon. But it never hurts to be more accurate.
This also describes the nazis and every German who went along with the Holocaust. Plenty of Germans did the whole “I don’t support Hitler but this economy is worse!” shtick as they allowed the SS to haul away their neighbors and coworkers.
It is not enough to be not fascist in a fascist society. One must be actively anti-fascist. Complacency is what allows fascism to spread. It doesn’t matter if they aren’t ideologically committed to it because they are still enabling it and should be considered enemies of the left.
Yes I agree 100%, what I’m saying is that it’s not like the project of socialism that we want to build will be made with an entirely innocent population that hasn’t already materially aided fascism. The GDR was built on top of the ruins of Nazi Germany, and even though they did a solid job of de-nazifying, it would be silly to think that no one in the new socialist government had materially aided the previous fascist regime. I can’t emphasize enough that I’m not trying to rehabilitate these people, I’m just trying to say that when trying to determine how prevalence the ideology of fascism is one can’t simply count everyone who materially supports fascism as also being someone who is ideologically bought into it. As @CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net mentioned this implies that fascism and liberalism are ideologically equivalent (which I don’t entirely agree with, I still think there’s a difference, but it’s clearly true that liberalism is always ready to enforce fascism and people who subscribe to liberalism are one scratch away from being fascists in practice).
I’ve met people working in defense companies who are liberals, hate MAGA,
I have too and this actually is a prime example of why Liberals are ideologically fascists too.
and under different circumstances could’ve been on our side
Circumstances such as choosing not to work for the war machine? We don’t have different circumstances and their choices are partly why.
Isn’t that just a difference of personally believing right wing ideology and enacting it? I believe that everyone who signs up for ice is either pro ice or at the very least doesn’t care enough about immigrants and just wants money. They are certainly doing right wing actions.
The person is talking about beliefs very explicitly. That has no bearing on where or not they are a tool of the right (they are) or whether or not they are culpable (they are).
I’m saying when people are placed in a system that requires them to have some form of income and they’re under new constraints from the economy where prices goes up, suddenly their morals have a price tag. And as another comment highlighted, some don’t care about immigration enough- they fell for propaganda or think they’re morally correct- and the pay is too good to pass up when they’re basically taking whoever walks in.
It’s a bit of both imo. There absolutely is a lot of bot activity on social media. Like half of all the really right wing stuff I see on Instagram follows the same username pattern: First name, random string of numbers. I have no doubt that the (artificial) influx of right wing content is radicalising people though.
If it is radicalizing people it’s not radicalizing enough.
I think it’s mostly just reniforcing what the ghouls in the admin like miller and Vance believe
I currently live in a working class area in Dublin.
But I’m from America and I used to live in New Mexico and Massachusetts.
Everyone I know from back home doesn’t fall for this and fucking hates the US government and they definitely aren’t groypers. They find that shit gross. And that includes the white men from New Mexico who can be very racist.
I have yet to speak to an actual person irl from either Europe or the USA who supports or likes this shit.
My boomer maga parents find Owens and fuentes gross and they want me to detransition.
I think there is a very loud and proud minority emboldened by the government who are joining ice, but also the economy is so shit, there are no jobs, don’t be surprised if a lot of people joined ice for the big pay packages.
yeah, where i live people still love him for all the culture war shit, when it comes to things that more directly impact them and theirs (tariffs, healthcare costs, inflation in general, war in venezuela) they just ignore it or shrug it off as “the way things are”
People love trump, because it’s a cult of personality.
When he dies maga falls apart.
People think Vance and Miller are gross
ICE hired less than 10,000 people this year in a country of 342,000,000
The SS didn’t have the numbers to enact the Holocaust by themselves, either. They relied on local law enforcement, the rest of the German military, and people willing to snitch on their neighbors. ICE doesn’t need large numbers if people are calling them to report immigrants while local cops help them with arrests.
Everything you said is correct, but I was not talking about whether ICE in its current numbers is able to carry out its project. The other poster was using ICE recruitment as evidence of USians being as right wing as it appears on social media, and I was showing how the number of new ICE recruits is far too small to convince me of any opinion trend for the general population
What I’m pointing out is they have enough rightwing supporters outside of ICE. Being an ICE agent isn’t a deal breaker for Americans because the organization continues to operate. There are people actively trying to sabotage ICE (such as doxing agents or following them around to report their location) who get punished for doing so.
Cops will arrest them. A lawyer will prosecute them. A judge and jury will convict them. All of these are part of a system that is rightwing who Americans support. Liberals are not our friends because as much as they piss and moan about Trump, they still support him and his policies at the end of it all. They just don’t like how he says the quiet part out loud. Case in point: deportations under Obama and Biden. This country is thoroughly rightwing.
A lot of people are blind to Americans’ complacency. Everybody isn’t literally a Nazi, but one’s participation in mundane imperial life is complacency with the project and ultimately supportive of it. A lot of bad can be televised and shared with these people and not much done, so long as it doesn’t affect them too bad personally. And for most crackers it wouldn’t.
But there’s right wing and right wing. Like, there’s right wingers who are in unions and support universal Healthcare and these people should be organized with on those particular goals. Through organizing with them and being open about our positions we can move a lot of them on gender, race, and immigration issues. Not all of them, but a good number, and importantly, we can move the activists and community leaders.
From my perspective (canada construction worker) everyone on the construction site is at least performatively right wing or doesn’t dare mention their opinions.
Like the side streets where we park around a new building will be littered with “FUCK
TRUDEAUCARNEY” plastered pickup trucks by 6amThere is a difference between being right wing and watching nick Fuentes and being an actual full frontal white supremacist.
Even those guys regardless of how bigoted and right wing they are. Don’t fucking watch fuentes or Owens. They’re probably just normal levels of racist (because western society is white supremacist)
None of them are fucking committed white nationalists.
None of them are Stephen miller
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social media, in general, seems to give its users the impression they have their fingers on the pulse. this is especially true for those engaging in these attention campaigns of bots pushing a narrative, and it seems to create a feedback loop. they’re like social power users and they are highly sensitive to all the stats that say their campaigns are reaching receptive audiences.
it’s one thing to fund propaganda and blast it out to move the needle, but what seems to have been going on for a while with social media (and accelerating) is that the people making/pushing it hardest are also listening to it and internalizing it deepest.
and because the right’s platform is so large and ubiquitous now in our culture, the feedback loop has produced this enormous bullshit maelstrom they can all pile into and have their hysterical chants echo back like hymns. it’s everywhere they go, talk radio, streams, podcasts, cable news: it’s only escapable with determination and effort.
but i also think there are diminishing returns on bots in the commentariat. more people are burned out of arguing online, there’s an understanding that it isn’t productive or constructive for exchange information or ideas. and part of that is aknowledging that the person you’re arguing with could just be some bot or a bozo with a goal of derailing conversation by being a horse’s ass.
i don’t know what’s next, but i do get the impression that the louder and more bizarre the right’s messaging gets in chasing the ultra-online weirdo right, the more it will lose traction with typical people and drive them to tune out if not reject its messages and the medium overall.
like there’s really only so many things you can call woke/gay before its so incomprehensible that even some people who habitually want to follow you aren’t sure what you’re telling them to think anymore.
I 100% agree
I think Vance, miller, and other guys in the white house are on Twitter to much and you can just tell from the way they act.
It makes them look disgusting.
The second trump dies maga falls apart. Nobody likes these people
its not going to be easy. im not saying it will be. but if we can all just come together and vote reeeaaalllyy hard for kamala in 2028 we can all go back to brunch
What happens next?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Coughlin
During the 1930s, when the U.S. population was about 120 million, an estimated 30 million listeners tuned in to his weekly broadcasts.
When I can’t afford restaurants, I eat at home. When I can’t afford streaming services, I watch things on my computer. When the algorithm recommends streamers, I watch streamers. When the streamers it recommends are rabidly right-wing and the algorithm self-reinforces if I accidentally click one, I’m walking through a minefield of Father Coughlins. A total loss of institutional legitimacy only means that every individual voice has equal legitimacy to the viewer.
As things get worse people like Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes have and will become the Personal Jesusii of the right. That’s a lot more powerful than MAGA’s aimlessness because the parasocial attachment is stronger/more constant. The 1930s proxy was only interrupted by the New Deal/WW2 drastically changing material conditions and a wartime ban on fascist broadcasts. It will probably succeed today given how much more advanced the tech is.
Initially, Coughlin was a vocal supporter of Franklin D. Roosevelt and his New Deal; he later fell out with Roosevelt, accusing him of being too friendly to bankers. In 1934, he established the National Union for Social Justice, a political organization whose platform called for monetary reforms, nationalization of major industries and railroads, and protection of labour rights. Its membership ran into the millions but was not well organized locally.[4]
After making attacks on Jewish bankers, Coughlin began to use his radio program Golden Hour to broadcast antisemitic commentary. In the late 1930s, he supported some of the policies of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. The broadcasts have been described as “a variation of the Fascist agenda applied to American culture”.[5] His chief topics were political and economic rather than religious, using the slogan “Social Justice”.
In January 1930, Coughlin began attacking socialism and Soviet Communism, both ideologies strongly opposed by the Catholic Church. In 1933, Coughlin criticized Roosevelt’s decision to extend diplomatic recognition by the United States of the Soviet Union.[46]
Coughlin criticized American capitalists, stating that their greed was making communist ideologies attractive to workers. He warned, “Let not the workingman be able to say that he is driven into the ranks of socialism by the inordinate and grasping greed of the manufacturer.”[82]
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Stalin quote about social fascists remains absolutely evergreen.
I don’t think this shit would work anymore
We’re seeing the opposite kinda
Zohran was super popular, even here in Ireland. Every working class person I’ve met loved him, even the old racist ones.
I think we’re too far away from the ussr and the red scare for this shit to work.
I also think most people find candsnce Owens and Nick Fuentes gross
This priest was a lot more similar to Zohran than a lot of people would be comfortable admitting. He didn’t start out making antisemitic pro-nazi screeds, and his program wasn’t a conspiracy to turn anyone into a nazi. He became a nazi because he was an anticommunist and a chauvinist. If not Zohran himself, that describes a lot of his supporters. This kind of social democracy is almost never actually liberating in first world countries, and in the third world it’s only liberating because imperialism forces them to move beyond it or be crushed.
I think we’re too far away from the ussr and the red scare for this shit to work.
Unfortunately, that simply isn’t true. Look at what people say about China, for example. Even Venezuela is partly unpopular because of which administration is pushing it. You can see many of the same Americans who supported the Iraq war opposing this not out of principle, but because they think it will be harmful to America. They still think of Iraq as a “mistake” they stumbled into that was supposed to be “quick and easy”.
A) fascists in the 30s were smarter than modern fascists. They knew they had to provide social safety nets. Modern fascists don’t even propose that. The Nazis, Italian, etc all ran on shit like making the economy better and stuff. That’s a big part of why they were popular they did Hitler shit and actually (very shortly) increased material conditions after the great depression.
Modern fascists don’t do that. They just do racism and bigotry and actively remove social safety nets and make the economy worse. This is why Trump is becoming more and more unpopular
B) how many people have you met irl that actually want the US to invade Venezuela? I’ve met zero. My boomer dad thinks a civil war is coming but also thinks Venezuela is gonna be Iraq 2.
I’ve seen support online for it, but all of social media is botted to hell.
A) fascists in the 30s were smarter than modern fascists. They knew they had to provide social safety nets. Modern fascists don’t even propose that. The Nazis, Italian, etc all ran on shit like making the economy better and stuff. That’s a big part of why they were popular they did Hitler shit and actually (very shortly) increased material conditions after the great depression.
This is mostly true, but also mostly temporary. The fascists will figure this out. They’ve already been claiming to want to improve the economy (bring jobs back to Amerikkka, etc.).
B) how many people have you met irl that actually want the US to invade Venezuela? I’ve met zero. My boomer dad thinks a civil war is coming but also thinks Venezuela is gonna be Iraq 2.
Yeah, that’s my point. Americans don’t oppose it out of principle, they oppose it because they think it will be harmful to them. The current administration is just bad at manufacturing consent for intervention, I don’t think it’s a genuine political development in the American public. A lot of fascists oppose it because they think it takes resources away from whites, not because they have a problem with massacring a country in the global south. All the same priors that allowed the Iraq war to happen (chauvinism, exceptionalism, etc.) are still there and can still be directed into support for actions by a more competent government.
I agree with you that the kind of overt fascism you see online isn’t popular in Amerikkka broadly (except among a significant minority), but it’s not because of any real incompatibility. A few small adjustments could launch a much more effective fascist movement.
I think the trump admin is filled with idiots who cannot fix the economy and it’s gonna cause dissent and the American public to dislike them.
I also think most Americans don’t like Venezuela but I don’t care if they like Venezuela. I just don’t want them to support an invasion. If we can get them to oppose an invasion that’s good. The main thing rn should be getting as many people to support not invading.
We can worry later if most people didn’t support it for selfish reasons. The average American isn’t very politically aware or knowledgeable.
The goal rn should be to make sure hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans don’t die from American invasion and im gonna ally myself with the pro America liberal aunts of the world if they’re gonna be on my side because I care about making sure people in the global south don’t get bombed.
We can use the alliance over supporting no war to get them to move left on foreign policy.
I also think most Americans don’t like Venezuela but I don’t care if they like Venezuela. I just don’t want them to support an invasion. If we can get them to oppose an invasion that’s good. The main thing rn should be getting as many people to support not invading.
Agreed, the problem is that the reasons they oppose these things are fragile, meaning it will be easily possible for a more competent administration to get them to support them later. There was widespread opposition to the Vietnam war, but more importantly, decades later there was widespread agreement that it was bad. That didn’t stop 90%+ support for the Iraq war.
The goal rn should be to make sure hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans don’t die from American invasion and im gonna ally myself with the pro America liberal aunts of the world if they’re gonna be on my side because I care about making sure people in the global south don’t get bombed.
Of course, at no point did I or would I argue against this.
The fascists will figure this out. They’ve already been claiming to want to improve the economy (bring jobs back to Amerikkka, etc.).
Not yet. They’ll only change what they’re doing if they think their current trajectory wouldn’t let them retain power, but they don’t think that. We’re in a situation where the ruling class is feeding on their own slop and becoming increasingly out of touch with reality, they think we’re starting a 1000 year Reich because all of their bots on Twitter tell them they’re doing a great job.
Only once they run into the brick wall of material reality, (a landslide for Democrats or and economic crash or something) will they reevaluate their priors. Until then, “affordability” is a DemonCRAP hoax and that the economy is A++++
I agree, I’m only saying they’ve been talking about it at times. Obviously it’s not really implemented, as you say.
A) fascists in the 30s were smarter than modern fascists. They knew they had to provide social safety nets. Modern fascists don’t even propose that.
I’m pretty sure Fuentes talks about that sort of thing pretty often. He’s one of many people opportunistically exploiting austerity sickos like shabibo who say there literally should not be retirement, for example.
He’s not in charge though and isn’t popular and never will be
He’s too much of creepy fucking loser
The fact if the matter is modern fascism is more so miller and Vance who do not want that
He became a nazi because he was an anticommunist and a chauvinist.
Many such cases
I don’t think I ever realized that the USA didn’t recognize the USSR for 16 years
I disagree.
Nick Fuentes isn’t popular. I think he’s well known now and has an incredibly online and loud fans, but he’s never gonna have a big audience.
Less than 1% of the population currently listens to him and he’s probably at his peak rn. He’s gonna fall off eventually as the right moves on to the next guy.
Owens is doing really well but I don’t think she’s attracting anyone new. She’s just absorbed the audiences of Shapiro, crowder, pool, and has gotten a lot of the boomer and Gen x evangelicals to watch her.
She’s not converting anyone, she’s just a case of there being a lot of right media personalities 5 years ago but because of Israel, they’re all hated now. If you look at Shapiro and pool they’re all hating on her because they stole their audiences. Her massive growth is just her stealing the tpusa and daily wire audiences plus older audiences going more online for news.
Tucker is the scary one that everyone should watch out for.
I have seen zero evidence that we’re gonna get an actually large right wing media guy.
Tucker was that on Fox News, I don’t think they can do it again, but if anyone can do it it’s him.
The right is in power and people aren’t that stupid, they know the right is making their lives worse. Only people already committed to fascism will stay committed.
What we are seeing be popular are left wing populist figures like zohran
Zohran has a million times more motion than any of these online right wing Nazi influencers. The difference is he doesn’t have a terminally online fanbase and bots to push his shit 24/7
It might not be any of the current crop. A decade ago I would have said Ben Shapiro or Jordan Peterson were contenders and now they’ve fallen off. It probably won’t be a singular figure and it doesn’t need to be. Some of the biggest right wing threats like megachurches and constitutional sheriffs grow rhizomatically through a bunch of mini-Hitlers neither of us could name. One of the other big themes of the 1930s was the collapse of state welfare putting it in the hands of churches and protestant-run citizens councils that judged the worthy poor in newspapers. As the state and its legitimacy erode, local authority and small movements gain more power. Online personalities will be the ones manufacturing consent for the mini-Hitlers in that decentralised country. If a streamer can mobilise 100 people in any small area, that’s enough to swing most small town elections or intimidate most municipal meetings.
The alt right people I know are excellent at distancing themselves from the distasteful aspects of their chosen leadership, but they are more committed to Trump and his kind than ever. The do your research crowd is impressively good at “well I haven’t read up on that myself” every time time you mention the flagrant crimes, or the intentional destabilization, the theft of public resources, and so on. In some sense, I get the ones like MTG and Owens. They are just grifters unapologetically doing what they do. But for every one of them, there’s a million people who defend and protect them just because Jesus says so.
There is no falling out on the alt right side. They are expert trolls who despite what they say on twitter, are as committed to this regime as they ever were.
We might see more political violence, but I’m skeptical it’ll ratchet up. The Democratic party has made being anti-gun it’s identity for a couple generations now; it’s out of character for them. The current MAGA regime knows who and where every non-MAGA gun owner is. They’ll probably find a way to disarm their opposition, and the Dem leaders in the blue states will help them do it.
I agree with you up to a point. I do think MAGA will fall apart when Trump retires/dies (Carlson, Owens, and MTG are being proactive about jumping off the ship before it starts sinking), but the missing part of the equation is that the Democrats are vastly more right-winged than what they were in say 2016 and because the Democrats are far more right-winged, the Republicans will have no choice but to be even more right-winged in order to electorally differentiate themselves from the Democrats. Your average non-MAGA Republicans got dragged to the right due to MAGA and in a post-MAGA world, they will be pushed to the right by post-MAGA Democrats. Current Democrats are already more right-winged than Bush Jr (Bush Jr at least blames the Zionist entity for troubles in the West Bank when modern Democrats won’t even do that). I am not looking forward to how much more reactionary post-MAGA Democrats will be. Who cares if the post-MAGA GOP no longer malds about cultural war bullshit if they benefit or continue reactionary policies that post-MAGA Democrats started?
Remember, police funding skyrocketed under Biden, not Trump. Cop cities where police get trained by the IOF popped off under Biden, not Trump. ICE gets all the media spotlight, but ICE would be nowhere near as effective without local police giving ICE the lay of the land and supplementing them with additional manpower, local police which received massive funding under Biden, not Trump.
And as for people like Mamdani, the more I think about it, the more I see it a step back from 2016-era Sanders. It’s almost a decade at this point, but I remember how people were genuinely excited about Sanders. And a big part of that excitement was the fact that Sanders wasn’t a Democrat. This got spun to him being an “outsider,” which is completely untrue since he has decades of experience as a senator. No, a major source of excitement was the fact that he was a non-Democrat who entered the Democratic primaries as a Democrat to steal the Democratic nomination from Clinton, a person everyone fucking hated. This was why Clinton stans fucking hated Sanders so much. For a millennial who got radicalized by OWS, 2016-era Sanders really was something to be excited about, someone who could finally smash the duopoly.
Of course, it turned out that Sanders was a sheepdog and his major political blunder/sheepdog subroutine being activated was refusing to form a new political party after 2016. Now we’re stuck with various (faux) progressive figures who don’t even have it in them to run as independents like Sanders. So much for smashing the duopoly. I guess instead of forming a real workers party or having the bare dignity to run as an independent, we can try reforming the party that started out as the pro-slavery party whose party line included thinking runaway slaves suffer from a mental disorder.
I’d argue we’re in a better position with zohran vs Bernie because we’re already seeing a couple of zohran copycats.
After 2016 we had the squad but they were not really Bernie copy cats.
I think zohran is much more liked and the dsa infrastructure made by Bernie in 2016 is leading to more left wing people running
The Mamdani copycats don’t mean much in the end because they are running as Democrats and will not have much power within the Democratic party anyways. DSA right now still has the worst parts of a centralized org and a decentralized org somehow and they tail the Democrats too much. I don’t think they have ever endorsed a non-Democratic candidate outside of Sanders. When people see that the only candidates an org endorse have a D next to their name, people will rightfully think that the org is just an appendage of the Democratic party.
I guess the whole point of my post is that much of 2016-era Sanders selling point was the fact that he was a DINO who’s just there to steal the Democratic nomination from a completely despised figure that everyone fucking hates. Mamdani, AOC, and so on can’t really say they’re DINOs because their entire political career is through the Democratic party.
2016 was an inflection point, and there’s a political faction within what passes as the US left that has been trying for almost an entire decade to recreate 2016-era Sanders. Their politics are represented by Democratic socdems and Jacobin magazine and the NYC branch of the DSA. Just trying to recreate 2016-era Sanders without understanding what made 2016-era Sanders work.
I’m not convinced the people making legislation and executive decisions in our government currently understand that the bots are not real people
It ultimately doesn’t matter because America is not a democracy and the two only actual options that are allowed to govern are in lockstep on every important issue. The only benefit derived from them both being clueless about public opinion is that it may radicalize more people and destabilize the system as conditions continue to deteriorate.
oh they 100% don’t know and they are that stupid
doesn’t matter as long as the bourgeoise’s checks clear
A lot of them do know, and the bots are part of the astroturfing campaign that they rely on for more perceived legitimacy. Even for most of us who aren’t persuaded by HasbaraBot9000, it promotes the appearance that there is meaningful support for that shit and that these politicians are therefore doing their nominal jobs of representing the will of the people.
“we’re gonna see more Luigis and Tyler Robinsons in a country with way to many guns.”
It’s true that this shit is astroturfed. Unfortunately, this has a very negative effect on young people (who spend a lot of time online) during their formative years. They astroturf like this because it actually is effective.
I don’t think it’s working.
I think it’s causing back lash to how annoying and gross it is.
All the support you see for it online is 100% astroturfed bots
I think it’s causing back lash to how annoying and gross it is.
This is true among a majority of people. However, it has an audience it appeals to of mainly young, alienated people. Fascism doesn’t have to have universal appeal (in fact, it can’t by its nature), in every historical case support from a minority of the population has been enough to implement the political project.
I don’t think there is enough.
Less than 1% of the population is probably actively fascist.
Nobody watches Nick Fuentes or Candace Owens.
Nobody fucking knew who charlie Kirk was before he died
We also saw young men vote for zohran when given a populist left wing option.
Less than 1% of the population is probably actively fascist.
Sadly, I think this is a colossal underestimate. Or at least, that “active” fascists matter less than the number of people who will choose fascism when given the option. There are easily more than 3 million fascists in America, there are other criteria for identifying fascists than if they pay attention to Nick Fuentes.
Ultimately these things are products of material conditions, and Amerikkka is the imperial core. It’s fertile ground for fascism and (at least at the moment) genuine, organized opposition is marginal at best.
I disagree, maybe 1 million at most in the US but I don’t think that’s enough. That’s less than 1% of the population.
I fully expect maga to fall apart when Trump dies. There will be no American Adolf Hitler, it will Instead be a slow neoliberal decline until China takes over
I fully expect maga to fall apart when Trump dies. There will be no American Adolf Hitler, it will Instead be a slow neoliberal decline until China takes over
That would be good, but unfortunately I think the lack of a current competent unifying fascist figure or movement doesn’t preclude one surfacing in the future.
Having backlash or other negative side effects doesn’t mean it’s not working, that just means it has costs, but those still might be outweighed by its benefits in terms of advantaging our corporate overlords.
In reality its time to band together or die. The owning class is winding up the fattest punch to the face of workers the world over. They have been salivating for this for decades. If we don’t start ripping these people from their summer mansions and either liquidate or reform our government we are in for hell on earth for us, paradise for them.
I don’t know how much of a reach the internet really has a lot of it is definitely bots, but I do know there’s isolated people who get funneled into right-wing extremist groups and I suspect a lot of this has to do with the fact hat we’ve basically let them dominate the online space. Which is where a lot of isolated people these days spend their time.
And it’s easy to laugh at them, especially since their numbers are not that large. Well this is the kind of person who could be turned into a Unit 731 Operator and then it’s not that funny anymore.
I’m quite lonely because my disabilities+being trans makes it hard to integrate and it’s scary how easy it is to run into a RWer who will be more than happy to welcome me, but if I try to find a more left wing oriented spaces there’s like nothing there. And of course there’s nothing there, nobody can afford to broadcast their existence online even if they wanted to or they will put themselves in danger. The few friends I do have just think I am wasting my time and nothing can be done, all of them have buddies who voted for shit like AfD too, which is lovely.
The only hope I do have is literally the fact that Lenin managed to get something together in worse conditions than this. So it’s not impossible for things to get better. I just don’t know if we have anyone capable of becoming such a leading figure and that’s what worries me the most. Sorry if i’m being a bit too doomer here.
To add another anecdote, my dad is also 60 but he gets his news from places like the new york crimes and he’s still on twitter (the novelty of knowing when a hockey goal is scored before it happens on TV never wore off for him). However even with that type of exposure he’s not falling for the venezuela war consent manufacturing. Plus he actually agreed with me recently when I told him that polls are fake, which is a big deal because he usually pretty contrarian to anything political I say and especially if it’s about how the whole system is a sham.
I think the left sees that Nazi shit is very popular being reposted by bots online and think it’s actually popular IRL.
I’ve yet to meet anyone who likes this shit.
It’s incredibly unpopular.
It’s 100% being astroturfed on social media
While we’re on the topic.
This is your sign to download that recipe while you still can. It will 404 eventually.
