Social media is mostly bots, most people hate the government
Liberals are at a point where they hate the Dems and the GOP
The right wing coalition is falling apart with Candace owens, Tucker carlson, and Nick Fuentes separating the Nazis from the evangelical Christians.
Material conditions are getting worse, but we haven’t had the ai bubble pop or war with Venezuela. Either will make life way worse for the west and we’re gonna see chaos.
Idk what’s gonna happen, but I think trump 2.0 has kinda turned a lot of people away from the right by both making material conditions worse and being mean and annoying.
Look at any news sub on reddit and it’s filled with pro Israel bots and shit. But the amount of obvious pro Israel propaganda from the state and by bots and shit was so obvious it’s now turning every right winger under the age of 40 into a Nazi.
I don’t think the mass botting campaigns work. They only make people more upset at the right and make the right look like extremely annoying assholes.
The right won a lot of ground by going “Le woke is trying to put politics into everything”
But now every fucking social media thread about sports or video games or movies gets brigaded by obvious right wing bots, even the most stupid liberals I know hate it.
People hate this it makes it seem like right wingers are now the annoying sjw that makes everything about politics (they always have been) and since most people under 40 get their news from tiktok and shit the bots and MSM manufacturing consent campaigns don’t work.
My mother is 60 and gets her news from tiktok. She doesn’t want the US to invade Venezuela, literally nobody does only bots do.
It’s backfiring but I think the admin is super on twitter and think it’s working. I think they legit do not understand that they’re getting everyone to hate them and theyre making material conditions worse. I think they also believe more in the polymarket shit than polls because they’re that stupid.
What happens next? Trump’s polling is the worst it’s ever been. The right wing coalition has collapsed and now maga is basically only the white evangelical boomers.
If material conditions get worse we’re gonna see more Luigis and Tyler Robinsons in a country with way to many guns.
This priest was a lot more similar to Zohran than a lot of people would be comfortable admitting. He didn’t start out making antisemitic pro-nazi screeds, and his program wasn’t a conspiracy to turn anyone into a nazi. He became a nazi because he was an anticommunist and a chauvinist. If not Zohran himself, that describes a lot of his supporters. This kind of social democracy is almost never actually liberating in first world countries, and in the third world it’s only liberating because imperialism forces them to move beyond it or be crushed.
Unfortunately, that simply isn’t true. Look at what people say about China, for example. Even Venezuela is partly unpopular because of which administration is pushing it. You can see many of the same Americans who supported the Iraq war opposing this not out of principle, but because they think it will be harmful to America. They still think of Iraq as a “mistake” they stumbled into that was supposed to be “quick and easy”.
A) fascists in the 30s were smarter than modern fascists. They knew they had to provide social safety nets. Modern fascists don’t even propose that. The Nazis, Italian, etc all ran on shit like making the economy better and stuff. That’s a big part of why they were popular they did Hitler shit and actually (very shortly) increased material conditions after the great depression.
Modern fascists don’t do that. They just do racism and bigotry and actively remove social safety nets and make the economy worse. This is why Trump is becoming more and more unpopular
B) how many people have you met irl that actually want the US to invade Venezuela? I’ve met zero. My boomer dad thinks a civil war is coming but also thinks Venezuela is gonna be Iraq 2.
I’ve seen support online for it, but all of social media is botted to hell.
This is mostly true, but also mostly temporary. The fascists will figure this out. They’ve already been claiming to want to improve the economy (bring jobs back to Amerikkka, etc.).
Yeah, that’s my point. Americans don’t oppose it out of principle, they oppose it because they think it will be harmful to them. The current administration is just bad at manufacturing consent for intervention, I don’t think it’s a genuine political development in the American public. A lot of fascists oppose it because they think it takes resources away from whites, not because they have a problem with massacring a country in the global south. All the same priors that allowed the Iraq war to happen (chauvinism, exceptionalism, etc.) are still there and can still be directed into support for actions by a more competent government.
I agree with you that the kind of overt fascism you see online isn’t popular in Amerikkka broadly (except among a significant minority), but it’s not because of any real incompatibility. A few small adjustments could launch a much more effective fascist movement.
I think the trump admin is filled with idiots who cannot fix the economy and it’s gonna cause dissent and the American public to dislike them.
I also think most Americans don’t like Venezuela but I don’t care if they like Venezuela. I just don’t want them to support an invasion. If we can get them to oppose an invasion that’s good. The main thing rn should be getting as many people to support not invading.
We can worry later if most people didn’t support it for selfish reasons. The average American isn’t very politically aware or knowledgeable.
The goal rn should be to make sure hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans don’t die from American invasion and im gonna ally myself with the pro America liberal aunts of the world if they’re gonna be on my side because I care about making sure people in the global south don’t get bombed.
We can use the alliance over supporting no war to get them to move left on foreign policy.
Agreed, the problem is that the reasons they oppose these things are fragile, meaning it will be easily possible for a more competent administration to get them to support them later. There was widespread opposition to the Vietnam war, but more importantly, decades later there was widespread agreement that it was bad. That didn’t stop 90%+ support for the Iraq war.
Of course, at no point did I or would I argue against this.
The difference now is that nobody gets their news from MSM anymore.
It’s way harder to manufacturer consent with genz and millennials.
Social media has made it so that everyone picks their news sources.
Back in 2003 everyone was watching CNN and shit. My household doesn’t even have that.
I don’t think they can manufacture consent like they used to.
They tried for Charlie Kirk, they got people fired, they held memorials, they have Erica Kirk on all of MSM parading the corpse of her husband. And what do you see?
Everyone under the age of 40 is mocking his death. Ai vids of his face on rappers and porn stars. We are charlie Kirk song is a meme.
I don’t think they can do 2003 anymore
This is true and a good point, but that’s why there’s so much social media astroturfing. That’s why there’s all these “think of the children” social media control laws being pushed. You’re right that their current strategy doesn’t work that well, but they’re not out of the game yet.
Some right-wing media figures had a ton of success (especially with young people in some cases, like Jordan Peterson) for a while. That seems to have plateaued, but I expect a new set will appear that adjust their strategies to suit.
We’ve kind of drifted in this conversation though, I agree with your original point that the online “discussions” are not really representative of the broader American population.
Not yet. They’ll only change what they’re doing if they think their current trajectory wouldn’t let them retain power, but they don’t think that. We’re in a situation where the ruling class is feeding on their own slop and becoming increasingly out of touch with reality, they think we’re starting a 1000 year Reich because all of their bots on Twitter tell them they’re doing a great job.
Only once they run into the brick wall of material reality, (a landslide for Democrats or and economic crash or something) will they reevaluate their priors. Until then, “affordability” is a DemonCRAP hoax and that the economy is A++++
I agree, I’m only saying they’ve been talking about it at times. Obviously it’s not really implemented, as you say.
I’m pretty sure Fuentes talks about that sort of thing pretty often. He’s one of many people opportunistically exploiting austerity sickos like shabibo who say there literally should not be retirement, for example.
He’s not in charge though and isn’t popular and never will be
He’s too much of creepy fucking loser
The fact if the matter is modern fascism is more so miller and Vance who do not want that
Many such cases