Sorry guys, this got out of hand. I’m going to go ahead and lock it. We got some trolling going on.
Edit: Not as bad as I first thought. I’m unlocking it. I think people need to start using the /s tag more often. It’ll be good for practice over the holidays.
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Honestly, after scrolling through this thread, I gotta wonder when carrying a pocket knife became something abnormal to a decent percentage of the population.
It was never universal, but as young lad in the late 1900’s it was unremarkable for most people to have at least a little pocket knife with a nail file on them most of the time and never anything sinister. There were places you couldn’t take them, but for the most part we lived our lives surrounded by people with concealed knives and never thought twice about it.
Never tied an onion to my belt though.
EDIT: If it’s mostly a backlash against the EDC crowd, I kinda get it, but still it seems pretty harmless in moderation.
Yeah, I’ve got a multitool with a knife on it in my purse. It’s just handy, same as the spare set of shoelaces and little bottle of tylenol in my purse.
Obvs, this means I’m gonna stab somebody, tie them up, and make them autistic or something idk.
Yeah, no one would have even blinked at that from what I recall. Unless you tried to take it onto a plane or into someplace high security like a courtroom it was something so mundane that it wouldn’t have been brought up.
Making an issue out of it would have been akin to saying “Did you hear about Bob? He always has his car keys with him. Watch out for that guy…”
I was an outdoorsy kid in the 80s and 90s so pocket knives were common, but of course had rules. I hadn’t carried one for decades, but started again this year because of hobbies that have me working outside and it’s become super handy. I’ll even clip it in the pocket of whatever shorts or PJ pants I’m wearing in the house while just chilling with the family. 100% for utilitarian uses, and literally every day.
One thing I have to thank the EDC, tactiool, and/or Mall Ninja Shit communities for though is the amazing variety of high quality pocket knives that use replaceable utility knife blades! Light and slim ones, not rattling box cutters.
Mine is one of these. Plain titanium color, and after an embarrassing amount of screwing around I settled on Tajima V-Rex II blades. I don’t have a collection of knives or anything like that, but it is so satisfying to have the one tool that is exactly what I wanted for the job, and have need to use it constantly.
I carried a folding pocket knife in my pocket for a really long time. Eventually, someone educated me that multi-tools (that include knives) exist. I carry this everywhere now instead of a knife. This is a lot more useful than a folding pocket knife: https://www.gerbergear.com/en-us/shop/multi-tools/all-multi-tools/suspension-nxt-black-30-001777 - You may still have plenty of uses for a fixed blade knife in addition to this, but getting some kind of multitool (I am not a fan of Leatherman), is a good upgrade to a daily carry knife.
Never carved anything into a tree; that’s fucking dumb.
I tried to get into carrying a multitool but it’s too big for and I never found I needed much besides the knife. Besides, if you try hard enough, everything is the right tool for the job.
I felt the same way until I realized that multitools come in different sizes, and you don’t need to get the biggest one with 80 tools that weighs 5 lbs. The smaller ones are barely bigger than a normal size pocket knife, and include a knife, pliers, wire cutters, pry tool, and a couple other of the most common things you might need. Much more handy than just a knife.
It’s mostly the pliers. I rarely use any of the other tools of a mult-tool.
It has a screwdriver but they are so painful to use as a screwdriver - I’d rather walk 10 minutes and get a real one.
I have this one. I like the fact that it has a carabineer built in so I can hook it anywhere.
I carry a skeletool from time to time. Same deal. It’s light, simple, and the pliers work well.
You can make a lot of things with a sharp edge.
Same here. Growing up, you got a pocket knife for Christmas or your birthday some time around middle school (usually a Swiss Army or Boy Scout knife) and it was just a thing you carried like your wallet or house key.
Multitools changed the tradition a little, but didn’t end it. Largely it meant another round of all us kids getting a multitool for Christmas.
I’m not a big EDC guy, but I still habitually have a good penlight and one of these on me most of the time: https://www.gerbergear.com/en-us/shop/multi-tools/all-multi-tools/armbar-drive-onyx-30-001585
The scissors and screwdriver come in handy more often than the blade. So these days if I give knife/tool it tends to be something like that rather than a Jackhawk 9000 sort of thing.
I’ve found old carvings on trees that were obviously very old trail markers (the trail was overgrown and aside from packed ground hadn’t even been used in a long time)
Where I’m from, it’s normal to carry a pocket knife or even a fixed blade. It’s not only common, but considered a
rightrite of passage. One is given to you at a very young age, and you learn how to responsibly use one. I’ve never had the urge to use it for defense; and I’ve been in many situations where I could’ve. It’s a tool.As for the “multi tool” arguments… the more complicated a thing is, the more likely you are to have problems. Have fun carving a wooden spoon with your thick multifaceted “tool”.
Nothing wrong with carrying a blade. It’s ancient. There’s a reason for it.
*rite, not right
What’s wrong with carrying a swiss army knife? I always have it with me. It’s been with me at all my dates. No tree carving, though.
Better luck next time, homey
It’s kind of a compliment.
These comments are wild lol
What do you mean one of them? What kind of moron doesn’t carry a knife as part of their regular kit? Just today, I forgot my knife and was boned because I couldn’t open a thing until I got home. Knives are handy.
you forgot your knife and then someone had sex with you because you DIDN’T open anything?
Whats interesting is that, in my experience, people find it SUPER weird for you to have a knife
Then a couple hours later, they’re asking to borrow it to open something
I did for a while, and I never needed it. I’ve never needed to open something out and about where a key wasn’t perfectly capable.
Funny thing is… I ALWAYS have a knife on me, and I rarely have a key.
Weird, I always have my keys. How do you get into your home?
We should only question those who don’t regularly carry knives. Are they even trying to be contributing members of society at that point?
I don’t go camping with people who can’t drive stick
I would, but then I’d probably make them learn while we were camping and give them some practice on fire roads etc
I usually take them out, and kick them into the river. It’s the only merciful thing to do with people that can’t drive stick.
This thread reminds me — I need to get my machete sharpened.
(unrelated note — I still think one of the funniest lines in Nacho Libre is the kid saying “This was my Grandmother’s machete.”)
Why are people so weirded out by one of the oldest tools we have?
Society now outsources its cutting to machines…
I agree.
Boy Scouts used to get jack knives in 3rd grade.
My pacifist mom brought me all the guns I wanted when I was a kid; by the time I was about 12 I decided guns were for little boys and put all of mine away. Never felt the need to own one.
My pacifist mom brought me all the guys I wanted when I was a kid
nice
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My pacifist mom brought me all the guys I wanted when I was a kid
Um…
Edited, thanks for being pervy
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and put all of mine away
Mines too?!
The landmine is a purely defensive weapon, unlike a gun.
Clearly you haven’t been paying Fallout.
Just gonna slip this into your pocket…
They’re especially useful for defending against innocent civilians decades after the war ends.
It’s cheap and effective against invaders, sometimes when you’re in bind you need to use terrible tools
Depends on how you use the gun. But that’s the thing about landmines, you “plant” them rather than “use” them, and pure fate alone is the arbiter of the mine’s “use.” Landmines kill indiscriminately, they don’t care what team you’re on, how old you are, if you’re even a combatant at all or just a 6yo civilian child, but a gun at least requires a person to make the decision to act or not. It is for this reason that I contend while guns can be (not always are) used morally, landmines cannot, even when they do happen to find a “correct” target.
I just realized this isn’t NCD…
People are utterly terrified by the idea of something that could cause consequences if wielded improperly.
Or, stated another way:
People are terrified not just of accountability, but of potential, theoretical accountability.
Hyperconsumerism?
0 attention span?
Things are supposed to all be instant, temporary and ephemeral, nothing that implies the potential of long term consequences can be considered without a level of genuine terror.
I had never thought of it that way. You are absolutely correct on the accountability.
I don’t get it, it’s like self infantilizing. Their mommies cut up their food for them.
Also depends on the size of the knife.
Pocket knife: cool. Rambo knife: get the fuck out of there
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I’m flabbergasted as to how you managed to live long enough to learn the English language, and never had to, like, open a box
Knife access is needed frequently enough to warrant at least a nice a little slip joint. You can use them to trim loose threads, open boxes, trim plastic tabs/flashings, dig out splinters, remove bee stings…
My wife asks to borrow a knife most days, and when I’m not carrying one, she gets flustered, yet refuse to bring her own.
When I worked at a fast food place I would bring a knife every day, because one of the things you do a lot of is opening boxes and bags and tearing them open with gloves on sucks ass. You seem to be under the impression that pocket knives are chainsaws lol
You should have asked for a utility knife or box cutter. If you got hurt using your knife, the company could easily draw out and possibly dismiss a WC claim citing unauthorized equipment.
I did, the manager shrugged and told me to borrow the knife another employee brought in lol
I had a shitty job where I was opening lots of boxes for one of my duties but no cutting implements were provided. I asked and it was gently implied that sharp implements would not be provided to anyone in the building and that brining your own was strongly frowned upon. That was…interesting
no, you’re just wrong.
Tell that to the EU beurocracts that put a stupid tab in the plastic bottle caps that I now have to cut.
Depends on the knife really. Even just a 1” non-locking blade on a multitool has excellent utility.
It’s a balance between usefulness and looking like a Crocodile Dundee cosplayer. You take what’s appropriate for where you’re going.
I would say that locking blades a generally safer for the user than a non-locking blade.
Absolutely. Sometimes jobs exceed the abilities of a non-locker and then it gets dangerous.
A smaller blade is less dangerous but not safe. You wouldn’t give a 3 year old a multitool with an exposed knife.
And the second part of the argument was that you don’t need that utility all the time. 99% of the society can get their things done without carrying a knife around.
Thus someone constantly carrying around a potentially dangerous tool would look weird. I’m sure a hammer would also have great versatility but when you see someone casually lugging a hammer around you wouldn’t find it weird?
A smaller blade is less dangerous but not safe. You wouldn’t give a 3 year old a multitool with an exposed knife.
You wouldn’t let a 3 year old cook dinner for himself either. A guy owning an oven is a huge red flag
“A toddler shouldn’t have one, so there’s no reason to ever carry one.”
Do you even listen to yourself?
Uhh… They mentioned a toddler to enforce the argument that a knife, regardless of size, still carries an inherent risk of cutting oneself.
And a pencil carries an inherent risk of poking ones self. Is it unreasonable to carry a pencil with you?
You can do 99% of things without carrying a GPS, phone, internet browser, 3 cameras, a compass, an MP3 player, a TV and contents of the Library of Congress around, but no one bats an eye about someone bringing their modern smartphone literally everywhere.
I’m not 3, I am a competent adult.
I personally wouldn’t go that far, but I’m not 3 either.
In a enormously consumerist society with a lot of packaging, why is it weird to carry a package opening tool?
Enjoy your soft bubble wrap life.
Knives are dangerous. No argument there. Hell, my car keys can be dangerous too. But they are also utilitarian in a lot of different and innocent situations. Having a simple pocket knife is not a bad idea.
- Cutting open boxes
- Cutting wire or string or that flat plastic tie used in packing
- Stripping wire
- Dislodging items
- Scraping things
- Peeling apples
- Whittling
The point is, I’d be less concerned about somebody having a pocket knife than a gun. But, that may be because I’m from the South and it’s more common down here; not that guns aren’t common, but that knives are very common.
Hell, my car keys can be dangerous too.
I would bet money that the person you’re talking to thinks we shouldn’t be allowed to drive cars either
Scraping things
Remind me not to loan you my knife.
Same with “dislodging items”
Can you explain in detail HOW knives are dangerous? Like more dangerous than the internal combustion engine.
They might cut their fingers while using it to cut their food, they haven’t graduated to forks yet so the likelihood of it is high. And that’s with mom’s supervision.
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A knife is about as “inherently dangerous” as milk. Properly kept, it’s never going to be an issue. Accidently leave it on the floor, and someone can slip or get cut.
Being responsible dos not remove a danger from existence. Accidents can still happen. Intent can change. The danger is always present. You even acknowledge this in n your last sentence.
Yes, being responsible and respectful of a dangerous item (e.g. knife, gun, whatever) is always good, and will minimize the danger. But the danger is always present, and thus always requires the responsibility and respect.
I still believe my original point stands.
My point was that spilled milk is just as, if not more dangerous than a knife. Everything in life has a degree of risk. Part of being an adult is managing or accepting those risks. You can roll off your bed and get hurt, does this mean that there is no place in society for bedframes? Perfectly healthy people are going to die or get seriously injured from falling down stairs today, shouldn’t we ban multi-level housing as a response? Probably hundreds of people are going to get cut or die from a knives today, is that a reason not to carry one?
For me, no. I have lots of useful things I do daily with a knife. Not carrying a knife when I needed one has caused me many more issues than carrying a knife when I didn’t. However, if you live in a perfect pampered world where you never need to cut, slice, open, poke, pry, trim, shave or shape anything, I could see why carrying a little pocket folder might be an unnecessary risk. I live in a safe place where crime is low and dangerous wild animals are few, so I don’t carry a firearm, it’s an unnecessary risk and an uncomfortable inconvenience for what I would get out of it.
You seem to have come under the impression that I’m against knives.
I was also calling HikingVet out for what I believe was a bad faith argument.
The danger is always present. Hahaha, like the knife I have folded in my pocket might suddenly attack me at any moment.
This does depend on where you live. In a dense city where you always have access to stores and services, it’s not as vital. Meanwhile someone who lives and works in an isolated area would want to keep more tools on them or in their vehicle (flashlight, first aid kit, lighter, multitool/knife, etc)
turns out knife nuts are just as stupid and crazy as gun nuts…
Best to just ignore the type of person who carries a weapon like a women carries a full makeup kit.
Both do it for the same reason, impressing men but neither will acknowledge it and get irrationally defensive if it’s pointed out.
If this wasn’t true, they would be downvoting, they’d just ignore it and move on, like a real man but they can’t because they aren’t.
The opinel I carry only seems like a weapon to the weakest and softest whiny diaperbabies.
I have no skin in this game, but you just proved their point. You’re irrationally defensive in here, it’s intense.
Really bad vibes.
Whatever you say chief.
People need comforting lies. The weakest use sarcasm as a substitute for intelligent discourse.
Whatever you say bubble boy.
Have fun explaining to your date why you have a knife while they make this face.
Mf has never seen a tree in its natural habitat
Knives are normal things to have around. This is like freaking out because you found out someone has a lighter
Huh, you must get afraid in a steak restaurant.
Follow the thread, this is about whipping a knife out on a date by a tree, presumably with no witnesses.
It would only be concerning on the first couple dates and mostly because of the declaration of love on a first dates less so the knife. I would imagine if they’re in the heart carving phase she would know he carries a knife by then.
Making shit up doesn’t help your argument.
What did I make up? The no witnesses? You’re right, carving in trees on dates is usually done with lots of people around.
Yeah, you made up a scenario that fits your narrative.
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I think a sizeable factor for the disdain is that EDC-bro that everyone knows who use their knife for everything even when the proper tool is right next to them. Or even the ones who carry an assault-type knife (like a karambit) holstered on their belt just for showing it off.
Those specific people sorta remind me of those fedora-bros where they think of it as an status symbol.
I always have a pocket knife with me. 🤷♂️
Most of the time, it just gets used as a screwdriver. Maybe they should make pocket screwdrivers that have a secondary knife function… 🤔
I keep a Powerful Pete on my keyring, I use it easy more than I would use a pocket knife.
Check out the Gerber Armbar.
They have those …
Ironically, someone carrying a pocket knife is way less weird to me than the idea of someone carrying a screwdriver.
I always carry a screwdriver/ratchetdriver with a bunch of bits. Sometimes I fix peoples glasses, other times loose doorhandles. Also a small prybar sharp enough to replace a knife in most scenarios.
Right, but not like just a plain flathead screwdriver that you carry around in your pocket
But it would be very useful. I think weird would be if you carry around a T27 torx screwdriver. Very oddly specific
Even weirder, carry around one of those two-point security drivers that I’ve only ever seen used to remove the doors from toilet stalls (during a renovation!)
Then you’re either a creep or someone who wants to fuck around with an elevator. The things your screwdriver tells about you
lol you get it
I always have a knife on me at work. 9 hours a day 5 days a week for over 20 years. So naturally i also carry a knife when i don’t work. I’m so used to having a knife and there isn’t a reason to not carry one imo
I had to stop when I started flying a lot. Had so many knives confiscated…
Mine has a permanent place on my coffee table, but I rarely carry it with me, and haven’t felt I needed to. It mostly get used for opening packages.
that would be called a victorinox
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but nah they’re great.
i just wish they had more edge retention than a toblerone
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no but seriously a swiss army knife is a very useful pocket thing
sorry for amazon link, but here ya go
This legit sounds like a job for Simone Giertz. She made a fricken ring into a screwdriver, surely she can make a knife tipped with a screwdriver! I guess you’d need two though, one for phillips and one for flat.
Lookup the Kershaw Select Fire. Primary Knife, but fits normal screwdriver bits.
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Yeah, I don’t really think of those as pocket tools because they can be a little big and heavy trying to pack as many tools in there as possible. A Swiss Army knife is just about all I ever really need in terms of spontaneous tool requirements. Flathead, corkscrew, bottle opener, knife, scissors, toothpick. Perfection.
Some reason? I always carry a knife.
You must be a true romantic.
The one guy in the room
“Let me grab the scissors real quick”
“No need, I have a knife!”
“Oh that’s okay, they’re in the drawer right here”
“LET ME HAVE MY MOMENT”
I also carry a knife; it’s for when I’m NOT at (someone’s) home, typically when I buy some food that needs a little extra effort for eating, e.g. a loaf of bread, whole fruit, cheese, or just opening the package. And there’s a multitude of other rarer use cases.
Them scissors in the drawer at the base of the tree?
Why the fuck would someone need to carry a knife at all times?!?
Edit: Geez guys okay okay it was a joke dammit!!
Really good joke tho
Legit question. It’s weird to always carry a knife with you. But seems like to be normal for the Lemmy community…interesting.
They’re useful if you spend a lot of time outdoors or in almost every blue collar job.
I leave the sheath knife in my car after work though. Wouldn’t take it on a date or carry it around normally.
Yeah, okay…
When I worked at a fast food place I would bring a knife every day, because one of the things you do a lot of is opening boxes and bags and tearing them open with gloves on sucks ass.
Especially breaking down the goddamn soft drink bag boxes. Those things are glued up tighter than fort knox.
I’m always a bit bewildered when I get that question right at the moment I take my knife out to help someone open or cut something.
Like, you just needed a knife right now, I got one, I help you, and then you ask me what I carry a knife for?
For exactly this!Because they like the utility?
Because it’s a useful tool
Because every day im forced to drive an incredibly unsafe machine that has the highest chance of anything i interact with to kill me. A machine so unsafe that in the event of a collision, the safety systems could kill me. My knife has a seatbelt cutter and a glassbreaker, as do every one of my knives. Why would you not carry a knife? Do you carry your keys? Or your wallet? Do you out on clothes every day? You act like its some difficult process to grab my knife when i grab my keys.
I also carry a knife always, use it all the time for boxes and whatnot. Would never consider using it as a weapon for like self defense, that’s why I carry the gun at a times.
Knives can come in many varying sizes and form factors, and can be specialized for usage in many practical and commonly encountered situations.
Utility knives take this concept further and often feature multiple additional, opposable heads geared toward other common household uses, such as screw driver heads, bottle openers, nail files, or even little teensy weensy scissors.
My trusty Opinel
I carry a No 12 for work most of the time, when I pull that one I get a few frowns. It’s great for cutting baguettes though, or splitting kindle…
Careful with cutting wood, the (carbon steel) blade can break.
All the people justifying carrying a knife everywhere: context, and also the kind of knife. I remember once being in the labor and delivery ward of a hospital and a guy visiting pulled out his wallet to sign in. He must’ve been one of those every day carry chumps because like 8 things fell out of his pocket, including a pocket knife that was at like 8” long.
What fucking threat are you gonna have to neutralize at the maternity ward you fucking nerd? Or do you think they’re gonna let you cut the cord with that dirty ass flea market knife that’s probably blunt as shit. All you’ve achieved is making everyone around you uncomfortable because america is loaded with incidents of mass violence.
What fucking threat are you gonna have to neutralize at the maternity ward you fucking nerd?
The mere assumption that knives are weapons by default seems pretty foreign to me. Sometimes the “fucking threat” that needs “neutralizing” is a tag on a stuffed animal or a plastic clamshell container that can’t easily be opened without tools.
Most of the staff at that hospital are probably carrying a knife as well. They are simply tools and come on handy more often then not. And I love your exaggeration of an 8"knife in a pocket. That would be a waist carry.
I work in a hospital, on the way to work and on the way back I often stop by picking mushrooms. The situation you described is not unlike my ordinary life.
lol one of the things we have to do in psychiatry is go through every patient’s belongings on admission.
We’ve seen all kinds of things from drug paraphernalia to weapons to dildos (and one dude just had the whole lower half of a sex doll) but in this context the thing that takes the cake was the patient hallucinating so bad they were talking to the demons more than us and it turned out there was a loaded gun in the bag they’d had at their bedside for 8 hours in the ED. The honorable mention is the lighter that looked like a gun that I put in a little plastic baggie with a note covering it that said ‘THIS IS A LIGHTER’ so that no one would panic when they first saw it.
Honestly I don’t even care all that much we really do live in an area where you might just want to have something on you even if it’s just a nice hefty flashlight. I’m probably not going to win a fight, but I’ve always said I’ll at least take a testicle with me and leaving behind some tetanus doesn’t sound too bad either.
Wouldn’t it be wild if he was somewhere before he got to the maternity ward? Maybe he should just leave the knife in the car, so that it’s available for anybody if they want to steal it.
