• hector@lemmy.today
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    10 days ago

    What did I already say? Military real ruler, politicians puppets now. Like pakistan.

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        10 days ago

        You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. Well you and the flock do I suppose.

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          No typically your source for which way the wind blows would be a device which tells you, or you’re standing outside in the wind. Are you in Venezuela or do you have a real source? If not you’re just making it up

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            You need an influencer to hand feed you information, it’s getting kind of pathetic. Can’t even see what is right in front of you, can’t even recognize indisputable fact. On this one I would start to suspect your sincerity in not recognizing what I say is true. It is indisputably true, asking for a source for helicoptors being vulnerable to weapons systems venezuela had on the ground in spades is next level ignorant.

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              That is speculations, not “indisputable facts”. Speculations can be fine, sometimes it is the best we have access to, but the reasoning of some guy on the internet is not a source about facts on the ground in Venezuela.

              Your theory on the US terrorist attack and abduction of Maduro is one among several. There are other theories with some level of credibility out there, such as:

              • Venezuelan defenses were disabled by American electronic warfare
              • Venezuela fucked up and was taken by surprise
              • The Venezuelan government made a Faustian bargain with Washington, offering Maduro as a symbolic victory to Trump
              • Venezuela stood down, fearing retaliation against civilians if US American terrorists were hurt
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                “prove” that helicopters are vulnerable to weapons systems?

                You should be ashamed of your ignorance.

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                  okay your two neurons are firing, you’re starting to think about evidence and things like cause and effect

                  So, what do you know about Venezuela’s military capabilities? What weapons? How many and where? What countermeasures do the Americans have for them? Do you actually KNOW anything, or are you just going “it’s easy to shoot down a helicopter, that they didn’t means they MUST have allowed them in”? Because it really sounds like the latter, and that really sounds like YOU inadvertently supporting the american line that the U.S. won and all it really needed to do was kidnap or kill Maduro.

                  P.s. were the 100 people killed just crisis actors or something

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                  That’s pretty easy to do since I can go find pictures of helicopters being shot down and look up articles with sources talking about helicopters being shot down.

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                    10 days ago

                    Then why are you being shitty to silence the fact that the coup in venezuela was a us sponsored military coup without question?

                    Maybe you are in on it.

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              yeah, we should just take your arrogant word for it. Seems a lot more likely to me that the Venezuelan military got caught with their pants down and bungled the defense, the Amerikkkan military has plenty of stealth and jamming technology to disrupt air defense for an operation like this

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                It is arrogant realizing fact, got it.

                Bootlickers would be hard pressed to cover for the administration more than you here. You have nothing in reality to work with so it’s not easy because I am undeniably right, in my arrogance in not pretending to believe what I’m told by the worst people in the world.

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                  believe what I’m told by the worst people in the world

                  You’re believing what the U.S. is telling you but with a rube goldberg machine like set up of convoluted “thinking” where you’ve landed at “Venezuela is a U.S. puppet and they really did just need to kidnap Maduro like it’s a game of chess and they got the King”

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                    The guy posting moving pictures as a reply makes a nonsensical argument, shocker.

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          Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You’re alleging that an entire military command collaborated with their enemy. You’ll have to provide some proof for that.

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            Ha ha, yeah, a military coup sponsored by the US, it’s unheard of! Why would I give a shit what some bootlicker thinks though?

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                Uh huh. As if Russia wasn’t sponsoring facists across the west, supporting the US regime.

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                  You just keep spinning off to some other claim instead of supporting the positions you’ve already brought up. You have to bring substance or your words are farts.

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              Yes, it could be a military coup. It could also be the US using classified alien technology they found in the Bermuda Triangle.

              But the simplest explanation is that Trump / Rubio were angry at Venezuela, their generals told them a ground war would be Vietnam 2.0, and that it would be safer to kill / kidnap one of their leaders and declare victory. The US can do this - Venezuela has one modern Russian-made air-defence battery (see MarmiteLover’s posts in the news threads) and that can’t cover the entire country. (Older systems won’t work against the modern US military.)