It’s not about her receiving criticism because she’s a fraud, it’s about her receiving even more additional criticism and hate and threats, because she’s a woman. Would a man receive the same level of hate for faking his career? No he wouldn’t. That’s misogyny and blaming it on her is victim blaming.
I do think a man cheating this overtly in a tournament would be routinely mocked, hated, threatened and exiled from their community. You cannot tolerate cheaters or everything becomes completely meaningless.
The team withdrawing is an inevitable consequence of being caught cheating, there’s no other way this could have gone. The team mates are victims of her actions.
Look, it’s stupid to pay attention to any of this, but your comment is ignorant to the point of bordering on absurdity. When Dream was caught cheating at his Minecraft speed runs, it was huge news, dominating the gaming news cycle for months, and even breaking into mainstream sports.
This is real small potatoes in comparison to that.
I’m not crying over the sanctity of esports or whatever, or her getting a bag, but that doesn’t mean I like the effect it’ll have. The things it’ll intensify.
The women who receive misogyny are the victims. This specific fraudulent woman, who we are blaming for the actions she committed, is not the victim. So it’s not victim blaming. Saying that this woman and all women are the same thing is the exact same categorical error that chuds make. You are using THEIR logic of all women being the same to say this.
If she becomes the victim of misogyny then she’s a victim of misogyny. Her scam does not justify misogyny towards her. That’s the same fallacy people use to justify the deportation of latinx people who voted for trump.
Yes, if. She is not, though. If that happens and people start saying it’s her fault, that would be victim blaming. Saying that she contributed to rising misogyny for her own benefit outside that context is not victim blaming because she isn’t a victim.
I don’t know how you expect any woman with a public image to do anything without getting misogynistic backlash. Even moreso in the gaming community. That she will be a victim of misogyny as a result of this outing is a given.
We aren’t being misogynistic towards her. We are just saying she directly contributed to increasing misogyny for her own personal benefit, which is not good. That doesn’t excuse misogyny, at her or any woman. It’s just a statement of fact that she behaved selfishly, in a way that will harm other women.
I’m not claiming that you are being misogynist. I’m claiming that you’re blaming the wrong person, who is also a victim of misogyny, for said misogyny.
No, that’s not true. There are thousands of men in gaming who cheat and commit fraud. She is totally the victim of way more hate than other (male) fakers get usually, because she is a woman.
I don’t like blaming the person who used a system of oppression to her advantage. Fighting the oppressive system is not done through uplifting ‘good’ and fighting against ’bad’ examples of women gamers. It’s done through fighting the actual people who keep the system in place, and in this case that is absolutely not this woman.
She did the equivalent of pulling the ladder up behind her. She is making it harder for every other woman who wants to compete in these leagues. There was no emancipatory or political nature to her decision. It was entirely self interest at the cost of other women.
No, she has no responsibility for the actions of men who actually make it harder for other women. Instead, they could just make it harder for frauds of any gender.
I don’t agree with that comparison at all. That comparison is used for women who get in powerful positions and then contribute to the oppressive system. For example, a professional woman gamer who denies all the factors that contribute to the low amount of professional women gamers and claims that women are bad gamers and that she’s an outlier. If this woman made such claims then I’d agree with you, but otherwise she’s just someone who selfishly played a system that is oppressive towards women. She’s not a liberator or an activist, but she’s also not protecting the oppressive system.
No, she is not responsible for any misogyny. How could she, if she’s not misogynistic. If she were partly responsible, that would mean, the men who actually act out of hate would now be less responsible. You’re not just blaming the victim, you’re also excusing the perpetrators.
It’s not her fault that gamers are misogynists. You’re basically victim blaming.
Saying that someone knowingly committing fraud is a victim is a wild take
It’s not about her receiving criticism because she’s a fraud, it’s about her receiving even more additional criticism and hate and threats, because she’s a woman. Would a man receive the same level of hate for faking his career? No he wouldn’t. That’s misogyny and blaming it on her is victim blaming.
I do think a man cheating this overtly in a tournament would be routinely mocked, hated, threatened and exiled from their community. You cannot tolerate cheaters or everything becomes completely meaningless.
The fact that all her (female) team mates were forced to step down smells like misogyny to me.
The team withdrawing is an inevitable consequence of being caught cheating, there’s no other way this could have gone. The team mates are victims of her actions.
wasn’t it an all women tournament? Was her team aware of the cheating?
I couldn’t find any accusations against her team mates. Only against her and her boyfriend who helped her cheat.
You wouldn’t be reading about this at all, of she were a man.
Look, it’s stupid to pay attention to any of this, but your comment is ignorant to the point of bordering on absurdity. When Dream was caught cheating at his Minecraft speed runs, it was huge news, dominating the gaming news cycle for months, and even breaking into mainstream sports.
This is real small potatoes in comparison to that.
Blaming her for te misogyny she and other women in the gaming community will receive.
Victim blaming? What? She chose to do this lol.
I’m not crying over the sanctity of esports or whatever, or her getting a bag, but that doesn’t mean I like the effect it’ll have. The things it’ll intensify.
This is like when hexbear decided it was misogynistic to think less of a woman if she cheated on her partner
Blaming her for the misogyny she and other women in the gaming community will receive.
The women who receive misogyny are the victims. This specific fraudulent woman, who we are blaming for the actions she committed, is not the victim. So it’s not victim blaming. Saying that this woman and all women are the same thing is the exact same categorical error that chuds make. You are using THEIR logic of all women being the same to say this.
If she becomes the victim of misogyny then she’s a victim of misogyny. Her scam does not justify misogyny towards her. That’s the same fallacy people use to justify the deportation of latinx people who voted for trump.
Yes, if. She is not, though. If that happens and people start saying it’s her fault, that would be victim blaming. Saying that she contributed to rising misogyny for her own benefit outside that context is not victim blaming because she isn’t a victim.
I don’t know how you expect any woman with a public image to do anything without getting misogynistic backlash. Even moreso in the gaming community. That she will be a victim of misogyny as a result of this outing is a given.
We aren’t being misogynistic towards her. We are just saying she directly contributed to increasing misogyny for her own personal benefit, which is not good. That doesn’t excuse misogyny, at her or any woman. It’s just a statement of fact that she behaved selfishly, in a way that will harm other women.
I’m not claiming that you are being misogynist. I’m claiming that you’re blaming the wrong person, who is also a victim of misogyny, for said misogyny.
No, that’s not true. There are thousands of men in gaming who cheat and commit fraud. She is totally the victim of way more hate than other (male) fakers get usually, because she is a woman.
There are thousands of men in gaming who enter tournaments and have other people play for them remotely? Citation needed
She is partially responsible now. She did this knowing it’ll aggravate it, for her own personal gain.
I don’t like blaming the person who used a system of oppression to her advantage. Fighting the oppressive system is not done through uplifting ‘good’ and fighting against ’bad’ examples of women gamers. It’s done through fighting the actual people who keep the system in place, and in this case that is absolutely not this woman.
She did the equivalent of pulling the ladder up behind her. She is making it harder for every other woman who wants to compete in these leagues. There was no emancipatory or political nature to her decision. It was entirely self interest at the cost of other women.
No, she has no responsibility for the actions of men who actually make it harder for other women. Instead, they could just make it harder for frauds of any gender.
I don’t agree with that comparison at all. That comparison is used for women who get in powerful positions and then contribute to the oppressive system. For example, a professional woman gamer who denies all the factors that contribute to the low amount of professional women gamers and claims that women are bad gamers and that she’s an outlier. If this woman made such claims then I’d agree with you, but otherwise she’s just someone who selfishly played a system that is oppressive towards women. She’s not a liberator or an activist, but she’s also not protecting the oppressive system.
No, she is not responsible for any misogyny. How could she, if she’s not misogynistic. If she were partly responsible, that would mean, the men who actually act out of hate would now be less responsible. You’re not just blaming the victim, you’re also excusing the perpetrators.