Misogyny is never okay. Even if the victim is a fraud. If a man cheats or fakes, he doesn’t represent his whole gender and has to take no blame for putting anyone in a bad light. He just represents himself. What does her being a woman have to do with her success or failure or fraud in anything she does? This is victim blaming, because on top of (maybe fair) repercussions for faking, she is victim of hate that has nothing to do with her fraud and everything to do with her gender.
It’s not victim blaming. It’s just acknowledging the misogyny pervading gaming spaces, and how this act will intensify it. It’s not victim blaming to be frustrated about this, as the ramifications of this act will worsen conditions for women in gaming.
Ultimately the people at most fault are those doing the misogyny. That isn’t this person’s fault at all. But they did take actions that will intensify it, for their own personal gain. Being annoyed at them for doing this isn’t a symptom of latent misogyny. It’s just analyzing the action in the context it happened in. It’s about not ignoring the effects of an individual’s actions on the greater environment.
I understand your desire to see everyone united in a common struggle. But if we were, the struggle would already be won. That’s also part of the context. She gets to choose her own fights and is not duty bound to any party line and even if she were, a line that says “no cheating in gaming if you’re a woman, but it’s fine for men” would be ridiculous.
And either does this woman. So why is calling her out “misogynistic victim blaming” if her actions don’t represent her whole gender? We are the ones trying to disentangle the actions of one person from her entire gender, it’s those in this thread cheering this on that are conflating it just like the chuds do - just with the opposite opinion on whether it’s good or bad.
We are the ones trying to disentangle the actions of one person from her entire gender
Not at all. Of course, calling her out for taking is fine. This entire discussion is about putting additional blame on her, because she’s a woman and “causing misogyny on other woman” (she’s not).
Yes I don’t think she should receive any additional blame, to be clear. It just seemed like people were completely dismissing the idea she did anything wrong at all and it was misogynist to even mention that fraud and cheating is wrong, and she did let her team mates down as it reflects on them if they knew about it and tolerated it. Any additional hate from gamers she receives is bullshit, I want to be clear. Leave her alone (after banning her from esports lmao)
Was more lamenting the sad reality that gamers will go hog wild with this.
Misogyny is never okay. Even if the victim is a fraud. If a man cheats or fakes, he doesn’t represent his whole gender and has to take no blame for putting anyone in a bad light. He just represents himself. What does her being a woman have to do with her success or failure or fraud in anything she does? This is victim blaming, because on top of (maybe fair) repercussions for faking, she is victim of hate that has nothing to do with her fraud and everything to do with her gender.
It’s not victim blaming. It’s just acknowledging the misogyny pervading gaming spaces, and how this act will intensify it. It’s not victim blaming to be frustrated about this, as the ramifications of this act will worsen conditions for women in gaming.
Ultimately the people at most fault are those doing the misogyny. That isn’t this person’s fault at all. But they did take actions that will intensify it, for their own personal gain. Being annoyed at them for doing this isn’t a symptom of latent misogyny. It’s just analyzing the action in the context it happened in. It’s about not ignoring the effects of an individual’s actions on the greater environment.
Forget it, the moralizing idealism has begun. There’s no room for discussing cause and effect.
I understand your desire to see everyone united in a common struggle. But if we were, the struggle would already be won. That’s also part of the context. She gets to choose her own fights and is not duty bound to any party line and even if she were, a line that says “no cheating in gaming if you’re a woman, but it’s fine for men” would be ridiculous.
And either does this woman. So why is calling her out “misogynistic victim blaming” if her actions don’t represent her whole gender? We are the ones trying to disentangle the actions of one person from her entire gender, it’s those in this thread cheering this on that are conflating it just like the chuds do - just with the opposite opinion on whether it’s good or bad.
Not at all. Of course, calling her out for taking is fine. This entire discussion is about putting additional blame on her, because she’s a woman and “causing misogyny on other woman” (she’s not).
Yes I don’t think she should receive any additional blame, to be clear. It just seemed like people were completely dismissing the idea she did anything wrong at all and it was misogynist to even mention that fraud and cheating is wrong, and she did let her team mates down as it reflects on them if they knew about it and tolerated it. Any additional hate from gamers she receives is bullshit, I want to be clear. Leave her alone (after banning her from esports lmao)
Was more lamenting the sad reality that gamers will go hog wild with this.