• FlakesBongler [they/them]@hexbear.net
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      That’s the fun thing, LTL rounds were definitely not made to be ricocheted off the ground

      That’s what the Pigs say, gives them the excuse of single officers not doing it right, that they just need more money

      The rounds were made specifically to inflict crippling injuries, everything that they said otherwise came after they were criticized

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        That excuse doesn’t even make sense on its face. Not even the best snipers on Earth can calculate a ricochet to effectively hit someone in combat.

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          Yeah, it’s literally just them making up a “reasonable” use case so they can go “Sowwy, we made an oopsie” when someone gets their skull cracked open

          And it’s very telling that even the “proper” usage would result in shattered bones

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    A “Well, actually…” pinned comment on a horrible physical injury.

    Mods have pinned a comment by u/eeyoreocookie:

    It’s so important we are accurate as fuck with our language when describing the horrible shit ICE is doing to us.

    Part of her hand was not blown off. Her hand was split between her middle finger and pointer finger. This is still a severe and traumatic injury but again…. language and accuracy is important. DO NOT give MAGA the opportunity to damage our credibility by exaggerating. What truly happened to this woman is horrific enough.

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      It doesn’t hurt to be as accurate in our description as possible as information becomes available, because it shows to people who is being responsible and serious with their knowledge. But we shouldn’t expect anything from Chuds themselves except inventing a story to justify what happened regardless of the facts.

      They’re working backwards from “The actions of ICE are good and correct” and they largely are deeply unserious in their replies when disagreeing with the facts of the matter. The narratives they spin are merely a front-facing excuse to justify their our-might-makes-right worldview. Just look at how some of them ran with an invented story about Pretti brandishing a gun at ICE.

      The fascists want to assert racist and patriarchal violence upon the everyone (including in usually more subtle or unnoticed ways upon themselves, which keeps them in line) and anything they say is an excuse in service of this, so handle your interactions with them accordingly.

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    A lot of groups were putting out primers around 2020 about protecting oneself with helmets, goggles, respirators, etc. I am curious if something like a Mechanix-style glove with the hard plastic covering the knuckles and fingers would have provided our heroine any protection?

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    • Are there gloves that maintain dexterity that can protect ones hands from LTL impact munititions?
    • Are there groin cups that are unobtrusive and do not limit mobility that can protect testicle-havers from LTL munition impacts? I think there are flexible sports cups but I wonder if that would be enough protection, maybe there are low profile hard cups.
    • Anyone know about “bump caps”? They look like baseball caps but provide a degree of impact protection without making it obvious the wearer is helmeted - does this protect the head from impact munitions?

    Edit 2: I was using cop speak calling them less than lethals the-pigs

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        Imagine if all this shit causes the right to pass gun reform. Sorry plebs can’t have guns and body armor anymore because The Libs are bringing those things to protests!

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            In Germany you aren’t even allowed to wear a mask or scarf and things like helmets, goggles & respirators are classified as “defensive weaponry” if used at protests. Arguably this even applies to padding and boots. Anything that makes you less vulnerable to the piggies using force against you.

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        clown-to-clown-communication clown-to-clown-conversation This is us except not being clowns. I’m wondering about the specifics of 1) protecting extremities, and 2) the use of protective gear that does not get the wearer targeted. The oinkers love to focus in on people who have taken steps to protect themselves from their brutality.

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      Modern athletic cups aren’t bad, they make boxer brief style carriers. They are made for mobility and relative comfort.

      There are motorcycle gloves with hard plastic or carbon fiber knuckle protectors. Bonus benefit, they happen to be great for punching with.

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        Thanks for the recs, I’ll check on the cups if I ever need this kind of PPE. Those riding gloves are serious business, those would work for sure! The only issue I see there is affordability e.g. could a group buy a bunch of pairs to hand out to people and also conspicuousness. But I am thinking the Mechanix gloves I was thinking of would not do the trick.

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          There’s a lot to be said for something made to keep your hand together in a motorcycle crash. I have not been failed by riding gear. Many of the jackets have armor built into them as well. I’m fond of Icon gear.

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    One time I was cutting onions with a mandolin slicer and I got too cocky and ended up slicing the very tip of my finger off and getting onion juice on it. It was the second most painful thing I ever experienced and I can’t imagine having your whole hand fucked up like that, no wonder she’s rolling on the ground, fuck.

    P.S. FUCK ICE.