Everyday I’m shocked at how many popular “leftists” on the internet (& in my personal life) don’t mask. I want leaders & educators to look up to but can’t help feeling betrayed, confused, and honestly embarrassed for them about their lack of awareness or care.
Does this strike you as a person who cares about orgs? What they seem to care about is feeling superior to their parasocial crushes online
Expecting the people who cast themselves as leaders of a movement to actually practice what they preach is not some sort of selfish desire to feel superior
Hoisting your leadership on a pedestal and refusing to allow them the right of exigency and practicality is selfish behavior
The left is not in any position to organize society along health-friendly lines, yet every lib in that thread seems to think they live in a reality where that is the case
It’s a refusal to grasp functional context is any serious way, and instead confuses demoralization with nominal notions of accountability, in other words next to useless crap
This is nonsense. You describe a situation where we are not allowed to ask or expect anything of our leaders lest we be deemed selfish. Where we are not allowed to fight for a better society since doing so would just be impractical. Should our forebears have decided that to fight against racism in a fundamentally racist society was impractical, that to fight against homophobia in a fundamentally homophobic society was impractical? If that’s your idea of revolution count me out.
This is nonsense. You describe a situation where we are not allowed to ask or expect anything of our leaders lest we be deemed selfish
The ability of leadership to exercise exigency or practicality does not make them immune to critique or assessment; in fact when we do away with the distracting idealism, we open the path towards a more competent and rigorous application of constructive critique that actually cares about results rather than the appearance of propriety
Should our forebears have decided that to fight against racism in a fundamentally racist society was impractical, that to fight against homophobia in a fundamentally homophobic society was impractical?
Are you under the impression none of those movements engaged in pragmatism or the practical application of theory? You think they weren’t shooting from one adaptive strategy to the next, you think they were all squeaky clean angels without a problematic bone in their bodies?
You mention my “idea of revolution”, I wonder at yours
As far as I can tell, you’re not actually saying anything in this comment. What is “exigency and practicality” in this case? What would be the “more competend and rigorous application of constructive critique”?
As far as I can tell, it’s pretty easy to figure out; first (unlike the scolds in that thread) recognize the left isn’t to blame for Covid denialism; second, elevate the right of remote participation as a universal expectation (something most VTuber groups have figured out) while maintaining the right of leadership and members to organize in certain contexts (particularly outreach) without constant referral to hazmat protocols
And third recognizing the fight over Covid awareness has been temporarily lost due to the sheer nonexistence of organized leftist counter-messaging
All subject to constant reassessment and adaptation as conditions improve or worsen
while maintaining the right of leadership and members to organize in certain contexts (particularly outreach) without constant referral to hazmat protocols
Leadership and cadres (or at the very least leadership) should be expected to take basic precautions, so that disabled people can participate non-remotely without putting themselves at severe risk. I don’t see how this demand is any different from a demand for remote participation. It’s much easier for leadership to (for example) lead by example and wear masks, which would do a lot to promote COVID consciousness in orgs, than it is to implement actually effective remote participation in many cases.
Edit: you still haven’t said what “exigency and practicality” meant, so I can only assume you meant that “practicality” was leadership taking literally no COVID precautions, which is practical because… ???
while maintaining the right of leadership and members to organize in certain contexts (particularly outreach) without constant referral to hazmat protocols
Derisively referring to asking people to wear masks as “constant referral to hazmat protocols” is disingenuous.
As far as I can tell, it’s pretty easy to figure out
“I implied my point, it’s your fault for not being able to figure it out” isn’t an argument. Say what you mean, I’m not reading your mind.
Nah, I’m cogent enough to recognize there are real solutions to problems
There’s no united left media ecosystem that can provide a counternarrative to the dual threats of covid denialism and liberal post-pandemic assurances, orgs serious about combating these scourges should be collating long covid data and testimony and sensationalizing it at arenas of media virality like town halls and school board meetings, a mirror strategy to the right’s anti-woke crusades at local level during the Biden years…that’s just the start
Meanwhile, someone screaming about how they can’t take leftists seriously because they don’t mask is the definition of inaction inertia
I have no clue what you’re quoting from but okay, I can get on board.
But again you can’t take any criticism and characterize it as “delusional wokescolds” or hysterical screaming. What most of us have dealt with are self-described leftists and leftist orgs having a pretty good position on Covid and Covid precautions through 2020 and then deciding to take up the cdc line that Covid is over and masks are unnecessary sometime after vaccinations become widespread. This situation has only become worse. Are we not allowed to vent on a Reddit post? Are we not allowed to criticize those who at one time stood with us but showed themselves to be unreliable once things became difficult?
The left is not in any position to organize society along health-friendly lines, yet every lib in that thread seems to think they live in a reality where that is the case
yes but people in orgs have the power to organise in a safe way. is that not true?
Step one of being in position to organise society along health friendly lines would be working to make our orgs covid safe instead of complaining about people talking about how our orgs arent covid safe. Wtf are you crashing out over this for
If you are in an org you have the power to make that org accessible / safe.
Does this strike you as a person who cares about orgs? What they seem to care about is feeling superior to their parasocial crushes online
Expecting the people who cast themselves as leaders of a movement to actually practice what they preach is not some sort of selfish desire to feel superior
Hoisting your leadership on a pedestal and refusing to allow them the right of exigency and practicality is selfish behavior
The left is not in any position to organize society along health-friendly lines, yet every lib in that thread seems to think they live in a reality where that is the case
It’s a refusal to grasp functional context is any serious way, and instead confuses demoralization with nominal notions of accountability, in other words next to useless crap
This is nonsense. You describe a situation where we are not allowed to ask or expect anything of our leaders lest we be deemed selfish. Where we are not allowed to fight for a better society since doing so would just be impractical. Should our forebears have decided that to fight against racism in a fundamentally racist society was impractical, that to fight against homophobia in a fundamentally homophobic society was impractical? If that’s your idea of revolution count me out.
The ability of leadership to exercise exigency or practicality does not make them immune to critique or assessment; in fact when we do away with the distracting idealism, we open the path towards a more competent and rigorous application of constructive critique that actually cares about results rather than the appearance of propriety
Are you under the impression none of those movements engaged in pragmatism or the practical application of theory? You think they weren’t shooting from one adaptive strategy to the next, you think they were all squeaky clean angels without a problematic bone in their bodies?
You mention my “idea of revolution”, I wonder at yours
As far as I can tell, you’re not actually saying anything in this comment. What is “exigency and practicality” in this case? What would be the “more competend and rigorous application of constructive critique”?
As far as I can tell, it’s pretty easy to figure out; first (unlike the scolds in that thread) recognize the left isn’t to blame for Covid denialism; second, elevate the right of remote participation as a universal expectation (something most VTuber groups have figured out) while maintaining the right of leadership and members to organize in certain contexts (particularly outreach) without constant referral to hazmat protocols
And third recognizing the fight over Covid awareness has been temporarily lost due to the sheer nonexistence of organized leftist counter-messaging
All subject to constant reassessment and adaptation as conditions improve or worsen
Leadership and cadres (or at the very least leadership) should be expected to take basic precautions, so that disabled people can participate non-remotely without putting themselves at severe risk. I don’t see how this demand is any different from a demand for remote participation. It’s much easier for leadership to (for example) lead by example and wear masks, which would do a lot to promote COVID consciousness in orgs, than it is to implement actually effective remote participation in many cases.
Edit: you still haven’t said what “exigency and practicality” meant, so I can only assume you meant that “practicality” was leadership taking literally no COVID precautions, which is practical because… ???
Derisively referring to asking people to wear masks as “constant referral to hazmat protocols” is disingenuous.
“I implied my point, it’s your fault for not being able to figure it out” isn’t an argument. Say what you mean, I’m not reading your mind.
There’s pragmatism and there’s inaction and you seem to be arguing for the latter when it comes to anti-Covid organizing
Nah, I’m cogent enough to recognize there are real solutions to problems
Meanwhile, someone screaming about how they can’t take leftists seriously because they don’t mask is the definition of inaction inertia
I have no clue what you’re quoting from but okay, I can get on board.
But again you can’t take any criticism and characterize it as “delusional wokescolds” or hysterical screaming. What most of us have dealt with are self-described leftists and leftist orgs having a pretty good position on Covid and Covid precautions through 2020 and then deciding to take up the cdc line that Covid is over and masks are unnecessary sometime after vaccinations become widespread. This situation has only become worse. Are we not allowed to vent on a Reddit post? Are we not allowed to criticize those who at one time stood with us but showed themselves to be unreliable once things became difficult?
yes but people in orgs have the power to organise in a safe way. is that not true?
Step one of being in position to organise society along health friendly lines would be working to make our orgs covid safe instead of complaining about people talking about how our orgs arent covid safe. Wtf are you crashing out over this for