Fossil fuels are used to make the electricity for your electric car. The trucks that supply those plants run on fossil fuels. The trucks your grocery gets delivered from uses fossil fuels.
Unless you live solar off grid, You cant get away from it costing you.
It’s an element everywhere, but here in the UK just 28% of electricity was generated from fossil fuels in the last year. Next door, in France it’s 3%. That’s just two places I happen to be familiar with.
Fossil fuels are not powering my car. It’s nuclear, wind and solar powered.
That is a highly misleading figure. 10% of UK renewable energy is generated at Drax, which is not only the UK’s biggest single emitter of carbon, it burns wood pellets imported from British Columbia, Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana. Fossil fuels power the tree harvesters, the saw mills, the transport trucks, the trains, the pellet factories and the ships involved in getting that fuel to Yorkshire from half a planet away.
It’s 7.5% over the last 12 months, and biomass is not fossil fuels. I agree shipping it in is silly, but the carbon it releases during burning is carbon captured in recent years, not millions of years ago. That matters.
…but even if you take it over the other side of the line…it 35% instead of 28%. It also doesn’t change the french figure.
The diesel trucks that transport everything at every level industry? The diesel heavy machinery that builds the buildings, roads, etc? The ships that everything thing is imported and exported by? What about everything made from petroleum products?
Fossil fuels are used at every level for so many things and the price of them going up will drive the price of everything that needs them up.
I’m definitely of the mindset that we should limit fossil fuel use at every level as much as is humanly possible. But that mindset won’t actually help anything in the right now.
I live in South Australia where the wholesale electricity price frequently goes negative during the day because there is too much solar power.
I could fully charge my car 2-3 times per day from the amount of solar power my house generates. I’m frequently turning down my solar inverters (automated) to avoid paying to export when the grid is overloaded.
Over 50% of all houses in South Australia have solar panels, house battery installation has skyrocketed, and there are many days when the grid is 100% powered by rooftop solar alone – not counting commercial solar plants or wind power, which we also have an abundance of.
New interstate grid connectors are being built and old ones upgraded to try to export more excess energy instead of curtailing renewable power.
Just going to most of this comment I’ve already made:
And the rest of the infrastructure?
The diesel trucks that transport everything at every level of industry? The diesel heavy machinery that builds the buildings, roads, etc? The ships that everything thing is imported and exported by? What about everything made from petroleum products?
Fossil fuels are used at every level for so many things and the price of them going up will drive the price of everything that needs them up.
There’s no escaping fossil fuels. You buy any sort of product and I can say with near certainty that fossil fuels got it to you.
Just going to most of this comment I’ve already made:
And the rest of the infrastructure?
The diesel trucks that transport everything at every level of industry? The diesel heavy machinery that builds the buildings, roads, etc? The ships that everything thing is imported and exported by? What about everything made from petroleum products?
Fossil fuels are used at every level for so many things and the price of them going up will drive the price of everything that needs them up.
There’s no escaping fossil fuels. You buy any sort of product and I can say with near certainty that fossil fuels got it to you.
You totally gloss over that EVs include trucks and ships. If you want to minimize your use of fossil fuels, you have options. Minimize before you try to “escape” them.
And the absolute vast majority of products you buy are being transported by fossil fuels. EV trucks and ships are a tiny minority.
And we’re not talking about minimising the use of fossil fuels here, this whole comment thread is about how rising oil prices will effect whether or not you have an EV because everything you consume is brought to you by fossil fuels.
The products we consume can be transported by batteries, and we will get there. By minimizing fossil fuels, rising oil prices wouldn’t affect you so much. I already have an EV, so I can tell you first hand that the pump price doesn’t affect me as much as it affects you.
For the love of god I know that! But that is not what the conversation here is about. You completely miss the point again and again! We are not talking about hypotheticals right now.
The original post was a tongue in cheek meme saying that op doesn’t think the rising fuel costs will effect them. The original comment was someone pointing out that rising prices of oil will effect more than just the price of fuel.
Everything I have said has been backing that up, pointing out all the ways that more expensive fossil fuels will effect the prices of other things because so many parts of industry that our society relies on requires fossil fuels right now.
We are not talking about some hypothetical future where things could be better, we are talking about how the rising fossil fuels prices are going to effect the prices of things in the right now.
Maybe things will be much better in the future, to the point that a large rise in oil price will barely be a blip, but that won’t be tomorrow, it won’t be next month, it won’t be next year, it probably won’t even be next decade. Our society relies on fossil fuels for so many things right now and it will take literal decades for that to meaningfully change no matter how much we might want to change now.
so I can tell you first hand that the pump price doesn’t affect me as much as it affects you.
You say that, but all the food you consume is farmed using fossil fuels, and transported with fossil fuels. This is a fact that won’t change anytime meaningfully soon. Groceries prices will be going up soon enough because of this. This also applies to about a dozen other things. Maybe you’re not effected as much as me but you will be impacted soon enough unfortunately.
Just going to most of this comment I’ve already made:
And the rest of the infrastructure?
The diesel trucks that transport everything at every level of industry? The diesel heavy machinery that builds the buildings, roads, etc? The ships that everything thing is imported and exported by? What about everything made from petroleum products?
Fossil fuels are used at every level for so many things and the price of them going up will drive the price of everything that needs them up.
There’s no escaping fossil fuels. You buy any sort of product and I can say with near certainty that fossil fuels got it to you.
Fossil fuels are used to make the electricity for your electric car. The trucks that supply those plants run on fossil fuels. The trucks your grocery gets delivered from uses fossil fuels.
Unless you live solar off grid, You cant get away from it costing you.
80% of Canada’s grid is NOT run off fossil fuels. Electric trucks are available for those who want to minimize emissions.
Maybe where you live.
Where the fuck do you live that your infrastructure isn’t run off fossil fuels?
It’s an element everywhere, but here in the UK just 28% of electricity was generated from fossil fuels in the last year. Next door, in France it’s 3%. That’s just two places I happen to be familiar with.
Fossil fuels are not powering my car. It’s nuclear, wind and solar powered.
That is a highly misleading figure. 10% of UK renewable energy is generated at Drax, which is not only the UK’s biggest single emitter of carbon, it burns wood pellets imported from British Columbia, Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana. Fossil fuels power the tree harvesters, the saw mills, the transport trucks, the trains, the pellet factories and the ships involved in getting that fuel to Yorkshire from half a planet away.
It’s 7.5% over the last 12 months, and biomass is not fossil fuels. I agree shipping it in is silly, but the carbon it releases during burning is carbon captured in recent years, not millions of years ago. That matters.
…but even if you take it over the other side of the line…it 35% instead of 28%. It also doesn’t change the french figure.
And the rest of the infrastructure?
The diesel trucks that transport everything at every level industry? The diesel heavy machinery that builds the buildings, roads, etc? The ships that everything thing is imported and exported by? What about everything made from petroleum products?
Fossil fuels are used at every level for so many things and the price of them going up will drive the price of everything that needs them up.
I’m definitely of the mindset that we should limit fossil fuel use at every level as much as is humanly possible. But that mindset won’t actually help anything in the right now.
I live in South Australia where the wholesale electricity price frequently goes negative during the day because there is too much solar power.
I could fully charge my car 2-3 times per day from the amount of solar power my house generates. I’m frequently turning down my solar inverters (automated) to avoid paying to export when the grid is overloaded.
Over 50% of all houses in South Australia have solar panels, house battery installation has skyrocketed, and there are many days when the grid is 100% powered by rooftop solar alone – not counting commercial solar plants or wind power, which we also have an abundance of.
New interstate grid connectors are being built and old ones upgraded to try to export more excess energy instead of curtailing renewable power.
Just going to most of this comment I’ve already made:
And the rest of the infrastructure?
The diesel trucks that transport everything at every level of industry? The diesel heavy machinery that builds the buildings, roads, etc? The ships that everything thing is imported and exported by? What about everything made from petroleum products?
Fossil fuels are used at every level for so many things and the price of them going up will drive the price of everything that needs them up.
There’s no escaping fossil fuels. You buy any sort of product and I can say with near certainty that fossil fuels got it to you.
80% of Canada’s grid is NOT run off fossil fuels.
Just going to most of this comment I’ve already made:
And the rest of the infrastructure?
The diesel trucks that transport everything at every level of industry? The diesel heavy machinery that builds the buildings, roads, etc? The ships that everything thing is imported and exported by? What about everything made from petroleum products?
Fossil fuels are used at every level for so many things and the price of them going up will drive the price of everything that needs them up.
There’s no escaping fossil fuels. You buy any sort of product and I can say with near certainty that fossil fuels got it to you.
You totally gloss over that EVs include trucks and ships. If you want to minimize your use of fossil fuels, you have options. Minimize before you try to “escape” them.
And the absolute vast majority of products you buy are being transported by fossil fuels. EV trucks and ships are a tiny minority.
And we’re not talking about minimising the use of fossil fuels here, this whole comment thread is about how rising oil prices will effect whether or not you have an EV because everything you consume is brought to you by fossil fuels.
The products we consume can be transported by batteries, and we will get there. By minimizing fossil fuels, rising oil prices wouldn’t affect you so much. I already have an EV, so I can tell you first hand that the pump price doesn’t affect me as much as it affects you.
For the love of god I know that! But that is not what the conversation here is about. You completely miss the point again and again! We are not talking about hypotheticals right now.
The original post was a tongue in cheek meme saying that op doesn’t think the rising fuel costs will effect them. The original comment was someone pointing out that rising prices of oil will effect more than just the price of fuel.
Everything I have said has been backing that up, pointing out all the ways that more expensive fossil fuels will effect the prices of other things because so many parts of industry that our society relies on requires fossil fuels right now.
We are not talking about some hypothetical future where things could be better, we are talking about how the rising fossil fuels prices are going to effect the prices of things in the right now.
Maybe things will be much better in the future, to the point that a large rise in oil price will barely be a blip, but that won’t be tomorrow, it won’t be next month, it won’t be next year, it probably won’t even be next decade. Our society relies on fossil fuels for so many things right now and it will take literal decades for that to meaningfully change no matter how much we might want to change now.
You say that, but all the food you consume is farmed using fossil fuels, and transported with fossil fuels. This is a fact that won’t change anytime meaningfully soon. Groceries prices will be going up soon enough because of this. This also applies to about a dozen other things. Maybe you’re not effected as much as me but you will be impacted soon enough unfortunately.
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Just going to most of this comment I’ve already made:
And the rest of the infrastructure?
The diesel trucks that transport everything at every level of industry? The diesel heavy machinery that builds the buildings, roads, etc? The ships that everything thing is imported and exported by? What about everything made from petroleum products?
Fossil fuels are used at every level for so many things and the price of them going up will drive the price of everything that needs them up.
There’s no escaping fossil fuels. You buy any sort of product and I can say with near certainty that fossil fuels got it to you.
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