The Moon landing was staged, but Stanley Kubrick wanted to film on location.
Okay, here is what I believe:
I believe landing on the moon and a live video broadcast from the moon are two extremely different things.
I think they did have actors on a soundstage pantomime to the live audio being piped from the moon. Just cuts down on so many variables, and the stakes were too high for the broadcast to be a technical disaster.
I think that even despite that, the moon landing is still one of the greatest achievements of humanity.
Does anyone know why the rocket needed to be “the most powerful” when it only got them out of Earths atmosphere? Is the crew module just that heavy that it needed it?
Getting anything to the moon takes a lot of thrust.
Also because of having less stages than Apollo, the core stage needed to be quite powerful to get the stack all the way from the surface to the outer edges of the atmosphere.
Partially, yeah. Crewed spacecraft by necessity weigh significantly more than uncrewed, because life support is very heavy. But they also want to take that very heavy spacecraft further away from Earth than any crewed spacecraft has ever been before, which means they need to take a lot of fuel; yes, it’s a gravity-assisted free-return trajectory, but it still needs fuel for course corrections and other orbital dynamics. Plus, it’s a two-stage spacecraft, while the Saturn V was three-stage, so it’s got to carry a lot more dead weight a lot further than before.
All of that together means they needed the most powerful rocket ever. The lander mission will almost certainly be even more powerful than that, because while it won’t need to go as far, it’ll be carrying another spacecraft.
One of the funniest conspiracy theories I’ve seen is that “flat earth” is a CIA psyop to make other conspiracies look bad by association. (This came from a moon landing truther)
That’s the thing with conspiracy theorists.
It’s conspiracies all the way down.
yes flat earthers are used by the social designers to ‘poison the well’. What’s so funny? it would be strange if they didn’t exploit (and cultivate) the immense stupidity of the median person. It makes the job of lying to them easier (and cheaper)
Looking at footage is among the weakest arguments against flat earth tbh
Dude the flat earth people sent one of their leaders up into low orbit. When he came back and said the earth is round cuz he saw it, instead of believing him they just kicked him out. Some people are just beyond reason.
C’mon, they are flat fuckin earthers… What did you expect?
Love that they have leaders, meaning people who have advanced more into idiocy than on average.
Bro, I’m a level 37 idiot, better show some respect!
The moon landing is absolutely unbelievable, change my mind.
We escaped earths gravity in 1969… 1969!, during the height of propaganda and was able to broadcast that to everyone on earth in real time.
completely unverifiable to the layman except for fuzzy government issued film until years after when we have the technology to forge the whole thing.
Remember the average man was still subsistence farming until the last few decades.
It is not crazy to believe this is fake, I would go so far as to say, the only reason the majority of people believe it is real is because of completely irrational reasons and because everyone else does.
That’s not to say there isn’t completely rational reasons to say it really happened, but the same can be said about quantum physics.
The average man cannot be expected to believe it because the science technically exists, and you cannot call someone crazy for believing it.
It is completely rational to believe the moon landing was fake, it just happens to be wrong.
I’ve been on Lemmy for a little while now, but this is by far, without a shred of a doubt, the dumbest, most idiotic comment I’ve ever read here. Anyone with more IQ than a toaster knows we landed on the moon. There are literal transmitters on the fucking moon that every country in the world has access to pointing to and proving.
Christ fucking sake. It’s 2026. We’re literally fucking doomed as a species, aren’t we.
The average man is not a country, that is my whole point. Of course a country has the resources to prove we have landed on the moon but the average man does not, and guess what, that would require the average man to trust the government a government that might be lying about us going to the moon, not everyone wants the usa to get credit for it (looking at you Russia).
My point is not that it is impossible to prove we’ve been to the moon, my point is it is irrational for the average person to believe we have been to the moon, because the average person does not have the resources and time needed to prove we’ve been to the moon.
So are you claiming that it’s irrational for a layman to believe anything they cannot prove themselves?
Is the moon landing just any every day occurrence that we take at face value?
No it is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence that the average man simply doesn’t have.
The fact that they could get it doesn’t change anything, we cannot demand the every man to verify everything and the moon landing is just one of those things that most people don’t take the time to verify because honestly it’s just not that important to everyday life.
Is it not an extraordinary claim to say that a giant flaming ball of plasma millions of miles away is responsible for our day/night cycle, seasons, and in a large part, weather?
Is it not an extraordinary claim to say a large, spherical rock hundreds of thousands of miles away is responsible for the tides?
Is it not an extraordinary claim to say we’ve launched astronauts into orbit around the earth, where they’ve lived for months at a time?
Is it not an extraordinary claim to say that all things with mass warp the very fabric of our reality, to the point where large enough masses can bend or even permanently trap light?
Is it not an extraordinary claim to say that light is actually made up of particles that have no mass, but travel at a measurable speed and interact measurably with other particles?
Is it not an extraordinary claim to say that tiny, basically invisible organisms are responsible for a wide variety of ailments and sicknesses that have affected all life on earth for billions of years?
Like seriously, what’s your bar for “extraordinary”, and why does the moon landing meet it?
And I would expect you to believe none of that without extraordinary proof, but the real difference is all the propaganda and active deception during the time.
You should believe literally nothing any government said during the cold war without external validation.
And don’t forget we live in a world with Flat Earthers, not everyone has seen that proof you take as self evidence.
Wait, which is it? I shouldn’t believe any extraordinary claim without extraordinary proof? Or just the ones that were made during the cold war? You still haven’t given your definition of “extraordinary” either. And how is a layman supposed to obtain “extraordinary proof”? Is “extraordinary proof” different from “external validation”?
What are you actually trying to say here? Because it sounds like you’re tacitly implying that laymen shouldn’t believe scientists, but that would be asinine, so please correct me if I have that wrong.
Okay, how about the fact that the Soviets congratulated the US on the first moon landing.
You know, the two opposite sides of the Cold War, and the other side admitted they were beaten?
That seems like pretty good proof
It’s irrational to believe people get into metal tubes everyday and just go to the other side of the world.
The average man cannot verify a plane is capable of flight.
That’s what you sound like.
equire the average man to trust the government a government that might be lying about us going to the moon, not everyone wants the usa to get credit for it (looking at you Russia).
So you genuinely believe it is more likely that we didn’t land on the moon in the late 60s, but is in fact more believable that every government in the world since the late 60s have worked together in international unison, from turnovers of governments, left wing to fascism, working together to keep the wool pulled over the billions of regular citizens?
Geo-politically, some countries can’t agree that humans have a right to access to water. They go to war over petty disagreements. But they’ll completely work together to defend the global cover-up of the moon landing?
Fuck right off.
I’ve seen the Epstein files that isn’t as strong of a claim as you think it is.
We landed on the moon, I’m not saying otherwise.
But You cannot hold people not believing such an extraordinary claim accountable
Unless they are teaching it to others without doing the research.
We escaped earths gravity in 1969… 1969!, during the height of propaganda and was able to broadcast that to everyone on earth in real time.
except the soviets said “GGWP” when it happened, you’d think they’d have much to gain by denying it too.
Maybe not but the USSR isn’t exactly around to verify that fact anymore so it still requires trust in the government.
Obviously fake launch picture. Have you ever noticed that our images of rocket launches increase in quality at nearly the exact same rate that our ability to simulate smoke on graphics cards increases?
It’s like they’re not even trying.
I assume they’re aware that rockets get launched on a regular basis
That rocket is going to the moon tho
Does that matter to them? I assumed not, but I don’t really know what they think about rocket launches, so maybe I shouldn’t assume
obligatory here’s the study that shows that people will not change their minds
Obligatory well, I still think it works
me too thanks
There are dozens of us.
The biggest thing to me is that the Soviets congratulated us on it.
The Soviet Union choosing to go along with the fake moon landing instead of calling the USA out is the absolute dumbest part of the whole thing.
Yeah, usually the Lizard people select world leaders from different clutches of eggs to ensure maximum competition and division among the human nations under them. Due to a malfunction in one of the incubators, Nixon’s egg hatched about seven years after Brezhnevs. During that time the same incubator hatched a separate clutch, among which Nixon was counted, which is why he was allowed to become the US president. Having not grown up together, they were still competitive, but little moments like the moon landing concession still occurred from time to time. Now that might sound unconvincing, but that’s only because I’m not an actual conspiracy theorist. I don’t have access to the deep lore and twisted logic therein.
No no, I’m convinced already.
Kubrick is that good a filmmaker
Syncing the footage to real world events was a masterstroke
Yeah but Trump said these astronauts are going “farther from earth than anyone ever has before,” tacitly admitting that we never sent astronauts to the moon in the 60’s and 70’s
At this point, whatever Trump said is anything but proof of anything…
I know you’re making a joke, but it’s a farther flyby around the moon than we did before. It’s an asinine statement by an asinine human being.
It doesnt matter whether you win by an inch or win by a mile.
And of course even in this meme the ESA logo was omitted.
ESA erasure is a crime.
For April 1 I almost made a Flat Moon Society but I ended up playing Starfield and forgot about it. I wanted to see how far I could go with it.
Apparently not very far 🤣
You do not understand how disbelief works if you think this is effective or even relative.
Yes, that does mean conspiracy theorists are fucking brainless morons.
Flat Earthers and anti-vaxxers really put into perspective the sorts of people the Scriptures talk about who are the same equivalent morons.
That being, people who are often dumb enough to get themselves annihilated despite ALL the evidence and warnings sent.
Nobody: “I was unconvinced by eight crewed missions to the Moon, but if they do a ninth then I’ll have no choice but to accept all of them.”
