Hey it was Trans women who started the pride movement. It was Trans people who fought for queer acceptance, prior to stonewall. The gays get credited for it in Canada, but it was the Trans who pushed the boundaries.

As someone from the “MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+” community

Since you’re alive enough to post here, I don’t think you’re from that community. Note the first three letters are for “missing and murdered Indigenous”, and the rest are modifiers from that. As I understand, Leah Gazan is using this initialism as an expansion of “MMIWG”, not as an expansion of “LGBTQ+”. She is highlighting that the “ongoing genocide” she refers to is not solely of Indigenous women and girls, but also of gender-diverse Indigenous people.

This. It doesn’t matter what niche you fall into. We are all citizens and deserve the same consideration when it comes to the basics like food, shelter and warmth. Everybody everywhere should thrive and have hope for the future. Everything else is a rose is a rose is a rose.

Oh you’re going to love the new NDP leadership then: https://lewisisleader.ca/ideas

And by the way, Leah Gazan has supported Lewis and his program from the start.

Yeah, I’m also in that group and the acronym is just unwieldy to the point of being ridiculous. I’m also not clear on the rationale behind packing together missing and murdered indigenous women with the entire queer community. I mean, obviously all marginalized people need to stand together - none of us are free until all of us are free - but in that case why aren’t they also including every other form of marginalized person in their super-acronym? It seems utterly arbitrary.

Personally, I love the label “queer” because it identifies me as part of a group that includes anyone who doesn’t fit the norms of gender and sexuality, without trying to divide us all up into largely needless subcategories. Alphabet soups are well intentioned, but don’t really seem all that helpful.

No one else uses that many letters. She bleneded 2 initialisms together, and added some extra letters.

MMIWG2S, most people just use MMIWG
LGBTQQIA+, which most people just use LGBT+ or “The queer community”.

But it is distracting from the real issue, the federal government cutting funding towards programs designed to prevent violence.

There already is a word that encompasses it, “Queer”.

The only people that generally want to keep adding more letters to the acronym are so-called “Allies” and not members of those groups themselves. Most members of those groups (in my experience) are more than happy to call themselves Queer and then give you a funny look when you start talking gibberish.

Remember when the neo-pronoun thing landed on:

co/cos
e/em/eir
e/em/es
hu/hum
ne/nem
ne/nir
per/per
s/he/hir
thon/thons
ve/ver
vi/vir
vi/vim
zhe/zher

I’m all for being inclusive and a completionist. But the community had to learn the difference between what belongs in academic and reference litterature, and what belongs in casual conversation. A well intentioned idea was badly introduced to the public causing blowback and faned the flames of the culture wars and energized the maga chuds. It’s weakness was not its specificity. It was trying to start at the end and forcing the language everybody’s been learning since birth to be rewritten. It’s unweildy.

To your exact point. Naming each group IS important. Specificity and identity has a power of its own. Let the acronym grow! But know where it belongs. This is already past the point of needing a shorter simpler umbrella term for conversation and is going into reference material.

When even your allies are getting tripped up, it’s time to rethink and pivot.

Or use that acronym. Do you want people to use slang (or slurs) while you try to push a increasingly unwieldy label that, by definition, can and, in theory, must go on indefinitely? There must be hundreds, if not thousands of minority marginalized groups that are underrepresented. And we’re going to add upwards of 4 letters for each?

This is what the right complains about when they have to do something simple like use preferred pronouns. But this is political correctness gone made because it is an insane number of letters required to describe a very wide range and yet wildly incomplete number of people, and it is a slippery slope because there is no limit to how many marginalized groups there are that could be added for inclusion.

And don’t get me wrong, Murdered and Missing Indigenous Woman is a very important subject and people to bring attention to and actually address and do something about. But adding that subject to LGBTQ+ detracts from all of it more than it helps.

Did you read the text? It’s two acronyms. Like ROFLMAO.

I mean, no one is forcing you to memorize it.

at this point i think proposed changes like this are ragebait to weaken support with people on the fence. every little stupid thing that is mildly irritating adds up. don’t lose the bigger picture

Good point. It has utility as a shibboleth. Careful though, a weapon like this can burn friend and foe alike.

Beyond the right wing fake outrage machine, for anyone wanting to understand the cards system: https://youtu.be/imCT5OA8HIo?t=1754

It’s not nuts. It is uncalibrated and counterproductive. It’s also what I’ve called the “curse of the intellectual”, and why they rarely become polliticians, let alone successful ones. It’s what happens when ideas are carried further than their utility justifies.