Plus I am half Sinti, a demsoc, panromantic and nonbinary. If this was a nazi bar, I wouldn’t be here.
Them genuinely thinking they’re leftists while spouting the most textbook right wing garbage would be funny if it wasn’t so sad
Yeah, but it’s only “right wing garbage” if it in any way supports “the west” or “merika” or anyone white. Or at least doesn’t support their cause enough
If it supports whatever it is they’re spouting off about at that given moment, it’s moral and correct and clearly too leftist for all the libruls and any word against them is CIA nazi propaganda.
It could be Russian right wing
Fellas, is it fascist to acknowledge genocide?
Yet when tankies deny genocides, they still assume everyone else is a fascist.
“It’s only genocide if the bad guys do it!!!”
*Bad guys is subject to change without notice, at our whims, regardless of real world facts
Dutch fascists tend to acknowledge the Banda genocide as a fun whoopsie moment. The genocide isn’t taught in Dutch school curriculums (or at least wasn’t when I attended high school), and the perpetrators are still vaguely seen as heroes of the Dutch Golden Age. So the way it plays out it can drag people in by making them feel like opposing genocide would require them to abandon national pride entirely, and they’ve already committed.
So yes, it can be fascist to acknowledge a genocide.
I don’t know how the Dutch operate, but I think I understand that. Whenever it’s mentioned by fascists, it’s not “we did this and it’s horrible”, but instead “we did this and it’s based”. Kind of like how American frontiersmen are lifted up as paragons of American Values even as they lead the US Army as they kill the natives.
Girl. You talk about me in slop@hexbear.net all the time.
Lmao, imagine being an ml user, posting in hexbear, and trying to say you’re not a tankie, while also calling people Nazis. Diva needs to lay off the Adderall.
Also no wonder they keep pushing dbzer0 to defederate from others. This is their endgoal.
Update:
For them, anyone who is against murdering civilians or even Jews is a Zionist.
Why do Zionists always try and pretend it’s “Jews” that are the target and not Zionists?
Gotta try and make everything appear to be antisemitic instead of antizionism because there’s no way to actually defend Israel.
What the hell is this then? Like against Israelis and not directly Jews but still bad enough.
This was one of the people who got banned and one of the people who started the entire hubub about feddit in the first place.
On another alt, he was banned for genocide denial.
Said person is active in snark threads about mwog on hexbear with his .ml account.
Nothing about that relates to Jewish people.
It’s very clearly targeting Israel and their ally Germany, who are supporting genocide via supporting Zionism.
But feddit admins only banned people calling for death of Jews or for calling for genocide though.
By your other reply you clearly show that is not the case.
On mathemachristian’s lemm.ee account there was at least proven racism and denial of Uyghur genocide though. And I am fairly certain he called for the death of Israelis and then backtracked on another account of his.
I’m a bit out of the loop, what’s wrong with the hexbear instance?
it’s a bit of an elitist circlejerk. Not very keen on including/educating people on the tenets of communism they claim to be all about, and very confrontational. That’s my experience at least. I was insulted/shunned for… literally being french, lol. While discussing imperialism. I was not defending imperialism, I might add, if there were any doubt. I’m sure there’s plenty of different profiles over there, but the ones I’ve interacted with… not so great
They did massive trolling a time ago which causes a lot of instances to defed from them. Hexbear is still like 80% tankies, full of snark threads and tolerates calls to violence.
They have a snark thread about this right now.
I also once asked Emopunker if Diva could be site banned from feddit.org. They said only if Diva wrote something bad on feddit or if she did something so damaging to feddit without posting there that it warranted a ban. :(
Hmm. Maybe I should go to feddit. I was considering a couple others, but they banned me for some broad shit when I said I wouldn’t respect the pronouns of a bully. Cause apparently bullies deserve respect too. 🙄
If you drop your values for someone you don’t like you are just hurting the ones you support. Same thing as being transphobic/fatphobic/homophobic to enemies, just means you are OK with it in some situations
So I’m just supposed to let someone get away with being an assfist? I’m not betray any of my values, because I don’t respect someone that bullies myself or others, regardless of their fucking gender. Talking about low values, bitch find a mirror.
I mean you could actually confront or insult them based on actual topics and not things that are just as harmful against people you support. Every trans person suffers from transphobic against the enemy as well, because it shows that you only support trans people when they are on your side and not in general
So your use of preferred pronouns is dependant on whether or not you like the person. It’s okay to be transphobic as long as it’s directed at someone you don’t like.
And don’t say it’s not transphobic just because they’re a bully. Deliberately misgendering any trans person is transphobic, full stop.
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It is shitty though to misgender people just because you don’t respect them. I would actually count it as discriminatory since you normally wouldn’t misgender a cis person because you don’t respect them, which makes misgendering a trans person for such motives a unique form of hostility that cis people wouldn’t usually experience.
So just please have the common curtesy to gender people correctly, even if they are assholes.
It’s also shitty to be a bully. The golden rule works both ways. Fucking fucking apologists. Ya’ll act like someone should apologize or be punished for not calling Trump “Mister president”. Bunch of broken hypocrites. Lemmy was a mistake.
If someone else being a bully is enough to make you transphobic, you might want to rethink your priorities in life
I’m not a transphobe you bunch of extremist ass plugs. You’re choosing to think that because I won’t respect bullies regardless of their fucking genders. Fuck yourself and fuck nigh half of lemmy. It was a mistake to think this was a place that treats everyone equally.
If you aren’t going to admit that you are wrong and that it is shitty behavior, then you wont be welcome anywhere else than troll or conservative instances.
It’s amazing, I wonder if I have a follower now! Glad I blocked Diva, I’m not missing out on anything
In the Russosphere, that’s basically what it means. To them, the chief crime of the Third Reich isn’t the Holocaust (murdering large swathes of undesirables is something they share, after all), it’s that they double crossed the USSR and invaded them. “Nazi” is more synonymous with “threat to the homeland” in Russia, and that’s part of why they insist Ukraine is a Nazi state.
That does explain a lot.
I myself, hating to be bogged down in semantics, actually dislike how “nazi” is applied too broadly, even if I agree with the sentiment. Most of the time, the more appropriate word is “fascist”, as that is a word that can be applied broadly, whereas “nazi” is one specific type of fascist that doesn’t apply as often as social media may indicate.
Have you ever noticed how everyone going slower than you on the highway is an idiot and everyone going faster than you is a maniac?
Mamdani is a “nazi” according to tankies
Mamdani is a “communist that wants to turn America into a dictatorship and implement sharia law” according to the far-right
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People who use ‘liberal’ as an insult are immediately outing themselves as bad faith actors.
Plain and simple. Every single time.
It’s always someone claiming to be left but who never, ever, EVER criticizes the far right. They’re all fascists, they just want it in a slightly different shape, and the foil for both is the “liberals”.
On the one hand, I have noticed that, over the last two or three years, a lot of liberals have started using, “tankie,” as their new, “Bernie-Bro,” smear. On the other hand, Lemmy has a shit-load of tankies.
Well if someone defends Stalin, the CCP or North Korea, then it is highly likely they are a tankie.
Yeah. I’ve also seen people called that for not voting for Kamala and criticizing Schumer/Jefferies. That does not make someone a Tankie.
For all we could know, IntrovertedTurtle could have been a psyop by a hexbear member stirring shit just so that people on hexbear can make comments like this. We don’t support transphobia ever on here. It is usually just randos coming in here being pieces of shit.
Also on .ml not tolerating transphobia when a .ml admin literally is a transphobe. https://lemmy.world/post/18236068
Look at someone registered at lemmy.ml perform mental gymnastics that because some randos that come in here to be transphobic are somehow our friends but nutomic as a transphobic admin is somehow irrelevant! Looks like they are grasping straws here.
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Where the hell did I support transphobia dude? You saw me immediately call out IntrovertedTurtle, didn’t you? Stop being so disingenuous.
Yeah I saw that comment by diva, I got out of that thread… it was so taxing to read the drivel
People do misuse the term “tankies” a lot and it is annoying. But people like diva go “no true leftist” a lot more than liberals do. I cannot fathom why they would use a political center that would put 95% of people as right wing. I guess it fulfills the classic meme of leftists’ arch enemies being people who agree with 80% of their views. And everyone seems to throw around “nazi” in a way that makes it hard to take them seriously.
Anyway, I do dislike resorting to defederation outside of extreme circumstances. I don’t know about sh.itjust.works, but world defederated from lemmygrad after an excess of hate speech and calls to violence, so I can accept that as justified. The fact that they are still federated with ml despite unaligned values gives credibility to that. I think hexbear was more from trolling, which I would prefer be handled by mods and individual user blocking but I can understand that at a certain point that becomes unpractical.
Kind of unrelated to this post, but one time I had an argument on another platform about whether the other guy was a nazi or not. They said “I do believe in a lot of the things they believed in and think they were in the right most of the time but they were just too violent. That doesnt make me a nazi (shrug keyboard emoji)”
I blocked them immediately but sometimes I wonder what the hell was going through their head
could be a bot, ive seen way to many reddit posts, with the same verbage.
Yeah thats what I’m thinking too. And you know, terrible ideas have been intentionally spread online simply to get people to agree with them before. Just take a look at gamergate (gaming communities used to be some of the most inclusive and open minded online spaces before gamergate)
Just a bot to make more nazis
When you went so much to the left you came through the other side.
if you go far enough left, you end up far right thats what tankies are pretty much. even using the same buzzwords, libs/shitlibs. they dont say woke, but emphasis heavily that certain old shows/movies have become woke.
The poor dears. People have explained what it means, but all they see is Removed by mod.
opposing zionism, or calling out zionist backers of protests(SEINFELD AND HIS WIFE) against anti-zionism, will get a nazism label. in some of the communities.
Can you show me an instance where that happened? Because I havent experienced such a situation yet.
not on a tankie com, but on a .worlds community.
