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Not gonna lie, eduard, having a lot of fun with his last name lately.
Who knew posting was an inheritable trait.
Most of the world uses the country they were born in. I’ve noticed Americans will claim they’re "from"a country they have ancestry in, even if they’ve literally never even been there.
Sicilian Americans are crazy proud of their heritage… They neither speak Italian nor own passports.
“I’m 16/32 Irish, 8/32 German, and 8/32 Native American, so I’ve to hate the Brits, drink a lot, and gamble.”
While also shunning immigrants like lepers.
I’m kind of upset the Habsburg’s reply is cut off
Not many branches on that tree I suspect
There are, they’re just inosculated
Very jaw-dropping reply
Back in the day it was a lot harder to move. People obviously did, but your great grandparents are about 80 years older then you. If you are are 40, then they might have been born in a time without planes and cars being pretty rarer. If you wanted to cross an ocean you took an ocean liner and most land travel was done on trains. Even those only became really big in the 1850s in many places in the Western world. Sure people moved, but it was somewhat rarer and a massive decision.
Also when 1 out of 16 did make a big move, then you still got a quite long history in that place.
Yeah, the richest families have stable residence. But the lower classes, it seems to me at least, moved around relatively regularly (not even close to the current situation, of course), mainly due to economic reasons, which obviously weren’t too nice for the average peasant. Over the last 200 years every developed country sooner or later underwent urbanisation, meaning a massive move of the population from the countryside into the cities. In my case, it was my grandparents and great-grandparents who moved to the city where I live now as well…
Laughs in Ottoman Empire
Can you explain that one?
sure, due to people migrating within the ottoman empire, I have one side of my family from central asian migrations, and another from african migrations. this means that there’s high likelyhood of serial migrations up my family tree and lots of diversity.
The Ottoman Empire did never control anything in Central Asia. The Turks came to what became the Ottoman Empire over a thousand years ago.
what a coincidence, that’s probably where my ancestors come from
I don’t really get this obsession some people have with their “origins”. Like… why is it so important to trace your ancestors so you can say that a 3% of you is… idk… persian?
Knowing from whence you came gives a psychological grounding, and a basis of confidence in one self. It’s been shown to predict success in life.
Where you’re born, and parental wealth may be much larger factors, they’re not the end of the list. Learning about your family history is one of the things you can control yourself.
When you open the mystery box, it’s racism.
And if you peel back the layers and look inside, there is a subtle undercurrent of yet more racism.
But, if instead, you inspect the histories of powerful nations and understand the stories which have shaped the world we live in, it’s not racism that wins out and makes everyone’s life better, it’s syncretism (literally, getting along with the Cretans).
So yeah, you’re absolutely right to call it out.
Barbaric, savage, and uneducated people, who lead us inexorably into decline and dissolution, spend a lot of time worrying about their “origins” when instead we should be focused on something else.
I just think it’s pretty cool. Geneology and the movement of populations is fascinating. My genetics are overwhelmingly from a particular part of the world, and it makes it interesting to read about history of that area and think, “Huh, so that’s something my ancestors went through.”
It’s not crucially important to know, and I haven’t sought out any DNA tests (I know what I know because a sibling took one.) It’s just interesting, especially to a nerd like me.
I may have worded it poorly. What you describe is understandable. What it’s not is going to those lengths as to take dna tests to know the percentage of you is from each country.
It’s good to know your ancestors, but do you really need to know how much of you is Irish to annunce it publicly as if it was something to brag about?
Ngl I have never met anyone who actually brags about their ancestry like you describe or like the internet portrays Americans on this topic. Mostly it’s just a neat thing to find out.
fwiw I have — both the stereotypical “I’m 1/X native American” and also “I’m X% Dutch”, the latter due to folks taking pride in having Dutch heritage, real or imagined, where I grew up.
I’d say part of it is about mortality and legacy, part is about belonging to a tribe, and at least a little bit is just thinking genealogy is neat.
Mortality: no matter what a person’s faith and belief system might be, there is a drive to contribute being meaningful after death. A person’s future line is directly rooted to their ancestry, and that heritage has a bearing on how one views their legacy.
Belonging: Why do many who are adopted search for their birth parents? Even if a person is in a loving and inclusive tribe, they still yearn for knowing more about their tribe and who else might be in it. There is an instinctive level of security in having a large group that can rally to you at a time of need. Family ties are historically a strong fallback to threats from outside the tribe
Genealogy is just an exponential choose your own adventure where nearly every chosen path is the man. It’s retconning an entirely narrow slice of your history based on whom you want association. It’s Your Storyline Plinko.
The unsettling thing about everyone’s family tree is there a lot more incest than anyone would be comfortable with in it. The various royal families of the world just wrote it down.
Yeah, I can see that.
But seriously, how much “incest” does the average family tree really have? And I’m drawing the line at great-grandparents, anything less than that is unrelated imo.
Royals were doing multiple generations of first-degree incest, that’s on a completely different level from normal people.
Well the guy who got cut off in the screenshot has quite a bit
It’s not incest when you get to the point where overlapping lines are mathematically impossible
yeah, it’s about 28 generations ago, if we assume a generation to be about 25 years, where the number of ancestors you would need to have for a family tree without overlaps becomes more than the number of people alive on earth at the time. 228 is roughly the number of people alive on earth in the year 1326, which is 28×25 years ago. that’s the theoretical limit of how far back you can go without someone fucking their cousin of some degree, and it requires an exceptionally well-traveled family
At some point back, you are related to every human who was on earth.
At some point back you are (probably) related to every living thing on earth, and at the very least every animal and plant and fungus.
The only exception would be if life had evolved more than once on earth, which is totally possible but we would probably be able to tell.
Reminds me of when I played Fallout Shelter, I made a spreadsheet to keep track of all my vault dwellers’ families.
With the population of a tiny town, it did not take very long at all for the whole vault to become one clan.
I kept one dude and like 5 women in the family room to populate the entire vault, then I would kick out people that didn’t have the same last name and then eventually kicked out all the males so it was just a 200 dweller vault of sisters
Honestly, a family history of inbreeding doesn’t mean much for the individual so long as it’s not directly involved in their own birth. The issue with inbreeding is that every family has a few rare recessive conditions that simply don’t manifest because they’re rare enough to never be shared with the other families that they’re having kids with, but if 2 people from the same family have a kid, that kid is way more likely to end up with 2 broken copies of the gene and have the familial condition.
However, even if your own parent has both broken copies, they can only pass 1 to you, and if your other parent is from another family, they likely won’t have the same condition, so they’ll pass you a working copy guaranteed and you’re good. It’s certainly not ideal, because it does concentrate the broken genes over time in a family if inbreeding continues, but a family history of inbreeding isn’t really much of a red flag health-wise if your own parents aren’t related.
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I mostly reference 4 different ethnicities because I have grandparents whose families originate from 4 different countries.
My great grandparents and great-great grandparents all had children with families who also emigrated from the same country their own family did, and before that they were all living in their original countries, presumably having children with other people from those same countries.
It wasn’t that long ago when, in America at least, people didn’t often associate much with people outside of their own country of origin. Polish and Italian people were especially avoided from what I’ve heard, and those are both ethnicities of mine.
The Irish were treated quite badly for some time in the US as well. My family assumed a Scottish surname to try to avoid that when they crossed the pond.
