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Mark Carney knows money, and how to make it grow. He favors the best return on investment. Strange how that could be construed as favoring the wealthy and privileged.
Don’t know what anyone expected from a clearly center-right banker. Better than PP but not ideal by a long shot.
I didn’t expect much, but a lot of people did because this deceitful snake wrote a whole ass book of marketing material to convince voters that he isn’t who he very definitely is. Liberal partisans were trying to convince me that he was basically a social democrat during the election.
He was (and still is) the lesser of two evils.
American has provided the prime example of getting that wrong. Also Trump has been amazing for the wealthy, can only imagine what he gives them next.
Love the guy who shot me in the stomach because he didn’t shoot me in the face!
I’d have loved to vote NDP but Singh was weak, not my fault. Avi is running away from center, finally ending the slide Layton started.
They’re both pointing a gun at you, one is going to shoot you even if you vote for the 3rd, unarmed guy
Reminder that we live in a multiparty parliamentary system that often produces minority governments. A Liberal minority with a strong NDP is not the same thing as a Liberal majority with a weak NDP.
No, they’re both going to shoot me, if ‘shooting me’ here means furthering conservative policy.
Only we don’t live in the US. We have a multiparty parliamentary system that can operate under minority governments. So the American style blackmail doesn’t have the same totality to it.
Yeah, I don’t know. Would a Conservative minority get away with what Carney is pulling? At least Liberal voters would be resisting the exact same policies we are seeing from Carney if they were being done by Poilievre. And Poilievre would never have managed to bribe his way to a majority the way Carney did. Don’t take this comment as me arguing that a Poilievre government would definitely be better, however. Just…I think the assumption that we chose the lesser evil should at least be examined.
Cons were predicted to have a landslide majority before Trudeau stepped down and Carney took over
*Before Trump was elected. I think a Trudeau led Liberal party would have had a much weaker showing, but not as weak as the polling referenced here would suggest. The Conservative falloff was mostly a result of the fallout from the new (at the time) Trump administration and the common understanding that the Conservative party is the pro-US party. The Liberals were able to seize the mantle of Canadian nationalism in the face of that disaster. In another world where Trump was not president but Carney still takes over the Liberals, I don’t think we see nearly the same swing. In a world where Trump is president but the Liberals stick with Trudeau, I think the most likely outcome would have been either a weak Con minority or a very weak Liberal minority.
I don’t think Trudeau could have whipped up the level of support that Carney did, he lost the “incumbent advantage” long before Trump part dookie. Liberal minority would have been likely out of reach, it would have been a decision between CPC minority or majority. Trudeau was deeply disliked by the time he stepped down, and the polls were continuing to get worse for Trudeau, and as a knock-on, LPC in general.
Carney was able to take advantage of the “new guy effect”, and some easy policy changes to attract fence-sitters. I won’t disagree that PP said/did some significant foot-gunning, but I don’t think that would have been enough to get the LPC out of the Trudeau slump.
I don’t think Trudeau could have whipped up the level of support that Carney did,
Why not? We were being directly attacked economically and having our sovereignty threatened. A dog could have whipped up plenty of support in that context as long as it was painting itself as a nationalist dog. You are way, way overestimating the effect Carney had on the election and vastly underestimating the effect Trump had, in my opinion.
You say that like liberal voters resisting his policies would have any impact at all on the outcome of what Poilievre would actually do. Did you see Carney wringing his hands when he gets called out by the NDP when he was still in the minority? Absolutely a Conservative government would have walked away with as much as they could get away with, and the red-tories in the liberal party would be pearl-clutching their way to a “yes” vote “very, very concerned” as they handed him the keys to the kingdom. We know this playbook. We’ve seen it a thousand times, both here in Canada and elsewhere.
They sound so shocked about this. We knew what we were voting for. He’s a Red Tory, of course he’s mostly there for the rich. Specifically the rich who recognize Donald Trump is stark raving mad, which is a point in their favour, but if anyone was under the delusion he wasn’t going to be mostly defending Canada’s owner class at all costs, they weren’t paying attention. Look, of the big national parties, only the NDP has any credible claim to actually care about the working class, and even they tend to get side-tracked looking for handouts to actually run a party with. CCP is about defending the slum-lords, the oil barons, the Canadian Epstein class, etc. Carney’s Liberals are about the less openly predatory, but no less out of touch wealthy. We could not afford to let Poilievre win. As bad as I expect Carney to be (and he is not disappointing on that front) he’s not going to sell us to Trump as slaves and that matters. There are worse things in the world than an ivory tower elitist, and I find it deeply frustrating that so many of my fellow working class peers seem to have forgotten that fact.
Elect a rich person, expect a leader for the rich.
That’s exactly who Canadians elected. The ship isn’t sinking any faster and his government is relatively competent. He brings stability and maybe, if Canada is lucky, marginal improvements. No one thought Carney was a leftist or represented meaningful change…
I don’t think it’s who they voted for, but rather a result of who they voted against.
Not Canadian but since this whole thing is brutally relatable, aren’t we as citizens responsible for the poor choice? I know capable people that decided to work for private companies instead of public service, for example. (apologies if this is too tangental, but it’s been on my mind).
No friend. There is no ethical move on the board. In Canada at least, if we had anticipated the problems our electoral system would cause and corrected it 50 years ago when we had the chance, we could blame the voter, but because of the flaws in our democratic system, we’re caught in a spiral where the governing system is not designed to actually reflect the values of our citizens. It’s nice when they do align, but that doesn’t happen often.
Upvoted because I agree in part, but if there is no ethical move left on the board we are doomed, and I don’t believe that. I believe that we can radically transform our nations for the better. Look at Mamdani in NY and Zack Polanski and Fiona Lally in England - or more importantly, the movement growing around them. The problem as I see it is that we are distracted (entertained, busy) and divided (ideology / misinformation). We do need a revolution, though. And by-the-numbers “leadership” isn’t doing it.
You can create localized pockets of sanity in the madness, but the system is structurally designed to never let them have broad enough support to affect the scale of change needed. Given the design of our system, it actually takes generations of concerted effort to fully realize that scale of change. It assumes the luxury of time.
* who liberal party members elected
I would argue Justin Trudeau’s leadership had a left-leaning slant, and influenced by the (sorry, don’t know the word) American “vote for your leader separately from voting for your representative” system of governance, you could argue Canadians chose a left-leaning government, meanwhile liberal party members chose a right-leaning government.
It’s a cunning strategy for a centrist party in power; swapping out a leader who leans one way with another who leans the other in-between general elections, just when the usual dissolution starts materializing.
Edit: Oh, shoot, I forgot about the 2025 federal election. Yes, Carney was the leader back then.
Trudeau wasn’t left, he was just left of the Carney we got and too pro-US to be leader.
(Carney is also too pro-US to be leader)
So he wasn’t left?
Yeah.
Trudeau didn’t have a left-leaning slant, he had left-leaning face paint on. Left-face if you will. Everything he messed up, he messed up trying to leverage Harper era conservative policy, poorly and without really understanding what he was doing.
The swapout was the case between March and April when Carney was interim leader. And yes, while you could make the argument, that how Carney would lead wouldn’t really be understood by Canadians after only two months, Canadians did technically elect the MPs to put Carney in power in a general election. That election was based on his and not Trudeau’s platform.
Well yeah he’s a baker ffs
Literally in his party’s platform, every single election
I know right?
I’m surprised Canadians are still duped into thinking the Liberals are a “left” party. They only look left because the Conservatives are so far right.
They’re simply the other head of Canada’s neoliberal goon squad proffessing trickle down economics in one guise or another.
I will kindly remind you that the government of Canada was created to protect the interests of a blanket retailer.
And why we have the RCMP, who’ve sadly out lasted the blanket retailer.
Please continue. I never heard that.
I’m talking about the good ol’ HBC
Pourquoi pas les deux? Manufactured blankets from Europe, furs for hats from Canada, take a profit both directions. Keep the atrocities small enough to avoid most of the history books, and here we are.
We know they switch between right/left depending on leader and what they think will win them the election. The cons go crazy right, the NDP needs help, hopefully Avi will lift them to the spotlight though sadly the only time the NDP really excels is when the population gets sick of the liberal bullshit (for a sitting then forget why the elected the NDP and go right back)
NDP have never been elected to form government.
I was referencing the orange wave in Quebec in 2011. They may not form gov’t but with enough members they do influence change for the better. I never said they formed a gov’t
I remember the first time I heard the term left-wing liberal or mockery of liberals like they were these softies who can’t help but cry at all murderers and let them go to kill again while disarming rednecks. Also only interested in gay rights and welfare.
I am too tired to continue.
Indeed. That’s part of how the Overton window shifted so far right.
That is so odd for someone with a background in finance and banking.
So do all our leaders.
If they’ve been put in a position where they can feasibly win, it’s because billionaires put them there.
