As usual, the EU and Canada are talking over the heads of First Nations people. These are the first people who should be asked. Also, dear Canadians, please read this book to become a better settler:
21 Things You May Not Know About the Indian Act: Helping Canadians Make Reconciliation with Indigenous Peoples a Reality
I get respecting the wishes of First Nations, but where does this end? Are you implying that First Nations people should get a veto on every policy of the Canadian government? Ultimately, wouldn’t this essentially be establishing people of native descent as a kind of inherited aristocracy over the rest of the Canadian people?
I want to see native peoples, both in Canada and the US, to be well taken care of. Hell, I would like to see government benefits and investment so high that First Nations people had, on average, a higher standard of living than the general populace. The land was stolen from their ancestors; the least we can do is make sure they’re rewarded economically for what was taken from them.
But, it’s also important to remember that the people alive today aren’t the ones who committed the genocide of the ancestors of today’s First Nations. Hell, a sizable portion of Canadians don’t even have ancestors who were in Canada at the time of that genocide. And if you grant one group of people unique political rights, even if as compensation for past harm against them? After awhile, that starts looking really weird in a democracy. Just how long do those of Native descent get this special veto over national policy? How many generations does this go on? We still going to be doing it five centuries from now? Two wrongs don’t make a right. Subjugating one group of people cannot be justified because of the crimes of their ancestors. Compensation and restitution? Sure. Subjugation? No.
If you’re not careful, you’ll end up with an Israel/Palestine situation. Compensating people for crimes against their ancestors is one thing. Giving them special legal rights over others and establishing them as a new aristocracy is an entirely different thing.
Well, the thing about a treaty is that both sides agreed to it. We can have a discussion about how they were negotiated or were written, but both sides signed. These treaties absolutely give Canada legitimate rule over First Nations. That’s why they were signed. It gives FN certain freedoms and Canada certain responsibilities. Again, we can discuss if those have been honoured to the letter, but the Canadian courts regularly uphold those treaties. I suggest you take your moral outrage to a library and find some facts.
I don’t know, First Nations have treaties with the Crown, the crown has treaties with other people. Joining the EU affects business and stuff I don’t see the overlap to FN treaties.
It’s far past time for a new Indian Act. I though JT was going to go for it after the T+RC but he was a chickenshit.
The treaties are broken, purposely, and serve to keep First Nations people under the boot. Trudeau also denied there is structural racism problem in Canada, while the RCMP were harassing First Nation peoples over fishing quotas (this is a few years ago now). Can’t imagine Carney being any better.
As usual, the EU and Canada are talking over the heads of First Nations people. These are the first people who should be asked. Also, dear Canadians, please read this book to become a better settler:
21 Things You May Not Know About the Indian Act: Helping Canadians Make Reconciliation with Indigenous Peoples a Reality
Bob Joseph
189 pages
https://app.thestorygraph.com/books/9c85ea9f-c47e-4ab7-93e5-74ed14a62f18
I get respecting the wishes of First Nations, but where does this end? Are you implying that First Nations people should get a veto on every policy of the Canadian government? Ultimately, wouldn’t this essentially be establishing people of native descent as a kind of inherited aristocracy over the rest of the Canadian people?
I want to see native peoples, both in Canada and the US, to be well taken care of. Hell, I would like to see government benefits and investment so high that First Nations people had, on average, a higher standard of living than the general populace. The land was stolen from their ancestors; the least we can do is make sure they’re rewarded economically for what was taken from them.
But, it’s also important to remember that the people alive today aren’t the ones who committed the genocide of the ancestors of today’s First Nations. Hell, a sizable portion of Canadians don’t even have ancestors who were in Canada at the time of that genocide. And if you grant one group of people unique political rights, even if as compensation for past harm against them? After awhile, that starts looking really weird in a democracy. Just how long do those of Native descent get this special veto over national policy? How many generations does this go on? We still going to be doing it five centuries from now? Two wrongs don’t make a right. Subjugating one group of people cannot be justified because of the crimes of their ancestors. Compensation and restitution? Sure. Subjugation? No.
If you’re not careful, you’ll end up with an Israel/Palestine situation. Compensating people for crimes against their ancestors is one thing. Giving them special legal rights over others and establishing them as a new aristocracy is an entirely different thing.
Why would that be a concern of the EU? That’s an inner political topic of Canada.The EU doesnt have a say in that, and it shouldn’t.
Canada has no legitimate rule over nor ownership of First Nation people. It is not Canada’s place to say “mind your own business”.
Well, the thing about a treaty is that both sides agreed to it. We can have a discussion about how they were negotiated or were written, but both sides signed. These treaties absolutely give Canada legitimate rule over First Nations. That’s why they were signed. It gives FN certain freedoms and Canada certain responsibilities. Again, we can discuss if those have been honoured to the letter, but the Canadian courts regularly uphold those treaties. I suggest you take your moral outrage to a library and find some facts.
Oh, – what a surprise~ – this is downvoted to Hell…
At -2? It’s a short trip to hell from lemmy. Now I just put you on Hell’s doorstep!
Haha; I meant the number of downvotes more than the ratio. But a fair point, regardless.
Why’s that? My feeling is that all Canadians should have an equal vote on something like EU membership.
I don’t know, First Nations have treaties with the Crown, the crown has treaties with other people. Joining the EU affects business and stuff I don’t see the overlap to FN treaties.
It’s far past time for a new Indian Act. I though JT was going to go for it after the T+RC but he was a chickenshit.
The treaties are broken, purposely, and serve to keep First Nations people under the boot. Trudeau also denied there is structural racism problem in Canada, while the RCMP were harassing First Nation peoples over fishing quotas (this is a few years ago now). Can’t imagine Carney being any better.
Tell that to the Supreme Court who keeps ruling in favor of the treaties. The Indian Act is the real bullshit.
Need that acronym bot to get in here and help me understand this. (Just the last one really. But I do like that bot)
First Nations
Justin Trudeau
Truth and Reconciliation Committee
Pfft