Combustion cars don’t need defending, they need phasing out.
And it is simply dumb to insist on combustion cars at this point. Toyota had some kind of advantage with hybrids way back, then they went and squandered a bunch of money and time on hydrogen which is also dumb, maybe even dumber…
EV-drivetrain hybrids (eg an EV with a small battery + ~3 horsepower range extender) are a good idea, though.
It’s kind of the best of both worlds. And insanely fuel efficient, even if one uses that generator all the time.
ICE drivetrain hybrids are insane, though. It was the only option at the time, but it’s also basically the worst of both worlds.
I think the problem is marketing, though.
Try explaining the hybrid distinction to a layman. Or to a snooty, higher end EV buyer turning their nose up at anything that takes gas.
I’d much rather have a full-size battery than a 30-hp ICE “range extender”. I wish I could keep my PHEV in EV mode all the time.
The thing is , no matter how fuel efficient they are, you are just burning the stuff, finite and hard to get stuff. And there is also everything else about emissions, climate change and more that I don’t really know
Technology connections has an interesting video about renewables in general.
Good
says he feels “very alone” in defending combustion engines
Maybe stop doing that?
He’s outright saying he’d rather defend combustion than satisfy demand.
Wow. Typical Lemmy opinions about cars.
Toyoda has always developed the most efficient cars in the industry, and brought the first hybrid to market in 1997.
EVs are selling better, but not better than ICE. Not even close. Akio Toyoda is not Elon Musk, his company needs to make money selling cars, not flimsy unreliable EVs running mostly on bullshit.
Big picture, Akio Toyoda will be far greener than Elon Musk, and Tesla won’t be making cars in two years.
Which EVs are “flimsy” and unreliable?
Yeah Tesla’s might be put together poorly, but there are so many good options nowadays. Combustion engines are vastly more complicated than electric motors, batteries do complicate things a bit, but industry has gotten phenomenally good at packaging li-ion batteries, or newer chemistries.OP’s comment has strong “Back in my day cars were made of steel and would crush the passengers like a tin can instead of just crumple breaking apart the outer shell” Energy.
Modern ICE are so complex to make them efficient. Dozens of computers and sensors that will fail over time and impossible to trouble shoot without very expensive proprietary software. Not to mention manufacturers lie about their efficiency by programming the computers to fool emission tests.
So flimsy and unreliable that my past year with one confirms I’ll never go back to gas. It also helped with the power outage yesterday.
Would like to learn how to cut it from the internet though.
I thought he’d double down on hydrogen.
this is so Japanese…
almost every time i watch Japanese news program, some capitalist elderly straight male (probably also predator) is complaining about social progress and using emotional appeals like “it’s sad that traditional men aren’t valued anymore…”
when that isn’t even true in any empirical sense!
fucking get off the planet, comb-over!
Its old tech with a finite fuel source thats only getting continued because of other stupid old fucks.
Like an astronomer defending heliocentrism.
Then stop defending combustion engines. Read the room.
Which room, the one with neck beards in forums?
In the real world, Ford sold a million F150s just last year. 3 of 4 cars selling right now are ICE. So Lemmy wants Toyoda to make cars no one is buying just for feels?
Whichever room the guy that says he “feels very alone” is in.
People can only buy whats available. Tell me. Why is Ford lobbying to ban BYD from america if consumers dont want EVs?
That’s bad for the environment.
Yes, you’re alone in defending a technology that after a century of intensifying development has 40% efficiency (whereas the tech you’re moaning about has 20 years of intense development and has already hit over 80%), consumes a limited, nonrenewable resource, and has significant responsibility for potentially human-extinction-causing climate change.
You feckless idiot!
Look Ive been a petrolhead for 30 years and Ive driven a few EVs and even if they are faster and more efficient they lack personality, they are less fun and engaging to drive and that is the ONLY point I will defend them on. The vroom vroom makes me happy.
Everything else… yeah they dont make sense going forward.
“My feelings are more important than your life” kinda vibe. Sure, let’s kill the planet because loud noises are fun.
I agree with that. It’s the imperfection of the engine and transmission - and the proper feedback from mechanical steering and brakes that gives the Ice cars personality and I miss that. EVs are appliances. I think they’ll be like horses. Hobbyist specialties.
I don’t love my EV like some of my previous cars but i haven’t had or made time to properly work on my cars so I do appreciate not needing to do work on the EV - so far.
There’s something to this. EVs might be a little too easy. At least at first.
I hope once we start wrecking them up and getting access to low cost parts and such, people will start getting inventive.
Right now, they’re too good and too expensive. Suppliers, supply chains, therefore competition is all on the other side of the planet.
We’ve already seen some stripped down and supped up Tesla’s, and I saw someone who bolted a motor to an old Toyota by just cramming it to the transmission with half a clutch welded on.
Too good? Tesla makes the worst cars you can buy right now.
Well, as far as speed. They’re limited by the tires right now and that’s been the driving force behind a lot of motorheads here for a while.
I’m quite hopeful that there’s a resurgence of tinkering in the EV world - primarily because this whole situation wherein the unavailability of a single board for a car made in 1993 simply bricks it, and EVs are just a collection of “modules”. We need people to rebuild batteries and inverters and all that.
The Fisker bankruptcy is a small scale example where owners have gotten some stuff working again.
I think you might have missed the exhaust killing hundreds of millions of people. No biggie I suppose.
Absolutely mind-melting to hear reps from a company that salvaged the concept of GE’s EV-1 and turned it into the wildly popular Prius turn around and bemoan battery powered cars.
What causes executives in the automotive industry to commit these acts of self-harm so consistently?
Their yes-men
Uh…they make cars people buy? You guys live in a fantasy world. 3 of 4 cars selling right now are ICE.
Aptera
Canoo
Nicola
Bollinger
Tesla
Are just a few examples of EV companies broke or going broke.
. 3 of 4 cars selling right now are ICE.
2 in 3 as of last quarter, and it’s a number that continues to shrink year over year
And you’re delusional if you think Tesla is “broke”. They have a trillion dollar line of credit
business degrees
This is the guy who wore a MAGA hat to the Indy 500?
Everyone wears MAGA hats at Indy or NASCAR.
Roger Penske sucking orange cock.
No.
Toyota isn’t part of Indycar.
That was a promotional event with NASCAR at Fuji Speedway, last year.
The Chairman will be responsible for the collapse of Toyota.
For the sixth consecutive year, Toyota is the world’s best-selling automaker.
Seems to be doing alright.
Is Akio Toyoda STUPID? He should be making cars no one buys, like Musk! The genius!
he’s already said they can’t compete with Chinese EVs, as has the Honda and Ford CEO. Past performance is no predictor of future outcomes and they’re both milking ICE for as long as they can while most of the world pivots away. Then retire and leave the next CEO yo deal with the shit show they left behind.
i think Toyota will survive, Nissan, Mazda, Honda will not. Suzuki’s pivot to India may work for them.
https://moneywise.com/auto/auto/toyota-honda-ford-ceos-warning-china-portfolio
And, a recent tour of one of the Asian powerhouse’s vehicle plants has proved this beyond a shadow of a doubt, at least to Honda President and CEO Toshihiro Mibe.
“We have no chance against this,” Mibe said (9) upon a visit to a Shanghai parts factory, commenting on its seamless automation across all levels of production. Logistics, procurement and all aspects of the process were so automated, in fact, that he did not spot a single human worker on the supplier’s floor.
even with motorbikes, Honda holds a huge lead in motorbikes around the world, Vietnam legislated to ban the sale of new ice motorbikes and what did Honda do ? petition them to not do that.
For now. Wait till Chinese EV keep taking over.
That is such a telling response.
It’s not just Chinese EVS that are taking over, they also make ice and hybrid vehicles, and those are even eating Europe’s lunch.
If Akio had access to the internet, he’d be up to speed in the car industry:
“ICE car sales continue to plummet in China, the top 16 cars are now electric”.
Don’t anyone try to tell me what I “demand”.
In China, laws prevent you from accessing most cities without EVs. It’s not about choice.
Fuck ICE whether it be engine or government agency
