• lath@piefed.social
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    3 days ago

    No offence, but these days even protesting is a shocking and often dangerous and illegal behaviour. Just saying…

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        2 days ago

        The problem is who decides what is considered “degrading” by law.

        I imagine many conservatives believe an LGBTQ+ person existing is degrading in some stupid way.

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          Court decide it, who else supposed to? It seems you’re one of freedom fighters like Elon Musk who then use it to interfere with elections and spread his nazi ideas and if you don’t let him he’ll say that’s against freedom of speach

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            seems you’re one of freedom fighters like Elon Musk who then use it to interfere with elections and spread his nazi ideas and if you don’t let him he’ll say that’s against freedom of speach

            Uh, beg pardon?

            You really need to inform yourself about history if you really don’t think something like this won’t be taken advantage of in order to hurt people.

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              That’s literally why we have laws, taking your retarded argument that’s why we have laws protecting LGBTQ, other minorities, and human rights in general. According to you we should just abolish laws just in cases someone wants to abuse it, wow what a brilliant idea, you solved humanity

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                Naive as fuck.

                According to you we should just abolish laws just in cases someone wants to abuse it, wow what a brilliant idea, you solved humanity

                Yeah no that’s not my argument.

                Do you know what Jim Crow is? Those were laws too, and guess what? They were evil and caused untold suffering.

                So yeah, some laws we should not have. Sometimes, it’s when they’re really bad laws that are obviously meant to do bad things.

                And sometimes it’s when a law is proposed with good intentions, and is then used by bad actors in ways that hurt far more than the law could ever help.

                Sometimes people pretend that a law being proposed is the latter, when in reality it’s the former. It’s called “lying.”

                A law like the one in OP could have been just fine with the word “degrading” left out. But no, it’s intentionally kept vague and will be “up to interpretation” by people who wish to use it for harm.

                Mark my words. Save this comment and come back when Poland inevitably uses this in a harmful way against a marginalized group.

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                  So what laws can’t be abused? You know police and prosecutors decide which crimes to investigate and who to charge? You now that police and prosecutors are controlled by the government? Absolutely everything in penal code can be interpreted differently by different governments and abused. It’s your argument that’s naive because you don’t realize how laws work.

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                    What does “degrading” mean?

                    I think a trans person streaming is degrading, therefore my platform will no longer allow trans streamers per this law.

                    Go ahead and sue me.

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                  That’s exactly what far right politicians who voted against it used as argument, people should be able to stream how they abuse and humiliate themselves / others because of “freedom of speach and freedom of expression” so once again applying your retarded logic we abolish freedom of speach laws because bad guys trying to abuse it,you could literally apply this nonsense to every single law we have, so yeah your entire argument is just backwards and retarded.

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                    ,you could literally apply this nonsense to every single law we have, so yeah your entire argument is just backwards and retarded.

                    So you could take any law, remove one word, and make it acceptable? Because that was my “retarded” argument.

                    This is something that has happened countless times, there are so many examples that it would be next to impossible to list them all. It’s honestly shocking that this still needs to be explained to people.

                    Read a fucking book.

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        Who decides what is pathetic nonsense changes with every election and in some countries there are those who consider protests themselves as pathetic nonsense.

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          You can say this about any laws. Abortion got banned under the previous government in Poland and some doctors refused to terminate pregnancies when mother’s life was in danger. The government changed and prosecutors started charging those doctors with crimes. It just how it works. Are we supposed to not have any laws?

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          By that measure we shouldn’t have any laws because someone may interpret it differently, that’s why internet became cesspit it is filled with bots, misinformation and AI generated garbage. All in name of “freedom of speach”