Just in time for them to take physical discs away!
No, I will lose access to Fat Princess!
their next decision is always the worst
An important detail nobody is mentioning is that this is EU only due to privacy laws there. Sony still sucks, etc., but it’s important to get the facts straight.
No other online store is doing this. The only one that comes close afaik is Ubisoft (who couldve guessed), but only if you own zero games on that account.
They are required to delete certain data about you if its no longer necessary for their service, but not everything, especially since you have an ongoing contract with them. They either couldn’t be bothered to only delete parts of data they consider useless already and instead chose to just wipe everything, or that’s their way of malicious compliance.
There’s totally no EU law forcing companies to delete stuff you bought.
It’s this. I don’t feel like looking up the relevant part, but feel free to if you like.
The relevant bit is this one here:
It’s hard to argue that buying something on a digital platform is not a contract between the user and the platform.
Thanks! The 3 year time limit isn’t mandated and was chosen by Sony. I believe other companies have chosen even lower ones.
Which is, of course, wrong: The duration of contract for a store like Sonys is the whole time the store is up and running.
Well, they did it due to the GDPR regulations for some reason, since they don’t do it in not-EU places.
They are deliberately misinterpreting that law. This law only applies for data that they no longer have a legitimate reason to retain. It’s not just a rolling 3-year counter that starts every time you log out and gets reset every time you log in.
I haven’t logged into Facebook in well more than 3 years they haven’t deleted my data and that isn’t a violation, I haven’t deleted my account (I can’t I’ve forgotten the password and no longer have access to the original email, it’s my problem).
It’s only for things now lapsed gym memberships, or car dealerships keeping your data after you purchase a vehicle from them. They can keep that data for 3 years and then they have to delete it.
What would be the point of misinterpreting it? They have no such limit in the US; if it were for some nefarious purpose you’d think they’d implement it everywhere.
Under the GDPR, every organisation must:
Define how long each category of personal data is stored Justify each retention period with a legal or operational basis Ensure data is deleted or anonymised once the purpose ends Document all retention rules in a clear and accessible format Apply retention rules consistently across all data systems Ensure third-party processors comply with the organisation’s retention instructions They can define their own reasonable terms. Sony chooses to delete that stuff.
Yeah, that. Other companies have even lower time limits.
This is sad just because of the old names disappearing. A friend of mine killed themselves back in 2017, but we played a few games on ps4 together online back in the day. So I still scroll down to look at that old gamer tag every now and then. Its sad to think of that going away.
What an excellent way to convince aging gamers to just never buy from Sony again.
Yup, although I haven’t purchased a Sony product in over a decade because they started charging a monthly fee for online services I got free on PC. Funny because I was a fanboy like no other during the console wars.
I was considering buying one for GTA VI. I’ll wait for the PC release, thanks.
Y’all signed up for this shit when you bought into digital products. No amount of warning you could make it to your dumb fuck brains. You’re also still doing this shit with other services and products. We’re all being strategically boxed into a fucking cage you refuse to acknowledge because you want things so much it shuts your brain off.
I love lemmy. Not even reddit is this toxic.
It’s always your fault! Never the precious billion dollar company!
“It’s never my fault”, says person who doesn’t know that this has been policy since 2009
The will of the consumer masses enable all of this. Make the damned sacrifice and stop giving them your fucking money.
Yeah, I’ve tried to warn people about Steam account dependence, but they’re somehow super-diehard over those while poking fun at Sony. There isn’t even any beneficiary system in place. Each is just a step away from being like the other… Nothing beats owning your own data.
Steam is fine, for now, but will eventually do the same shit once gabr is dead and the business side takes over everything. But that’s the trap, make conversation to a digital way of life appealing enough to starve the alternative to death, then tighten the noose.
Steam is fine for you maybe, I am incensed to find out they have been engaging in price fixing and driving the price of PC games up and preventing meaningful competition. It is complete bullshit and after seeing Gabe and his underlings lie through their teeth I have zero faith in them.
But they aren’t and it’s ridiculous you spout propaganda talking points constructed by competitors of steam that can’t compete. Of all the monopolistic companies, steam is one that is least shit, and until the government gives a shit about monopolies in general, I’ll be grateful for the ones that aren’t total assholes, like nvidea and micron and Microsoft and Google and all the rest that are ignored by antitrust rules.
What are you talking about? Go read the court transcripts. It is fucking obvious they are lying when confronted with evidence from their own emails. Why would you insist on carrying water for them!?
There has not to my knowledge ever been a mass produced analog console playing analog games.
Deck of cards?
CDs and DVDs are digital. Game cartridges are digital. I am not sure you know what digital means.
Are you sure you even know what digital means!?
https://youtu.be/E0pJST5mL3A?is=zIkQVZFCC7vK25vn
This machine is digital…
i bought portal2 when it came out on ps3… it also let me set up a steam account through my ps3, because that was going to be the next big thing (this was before ps+ and multiplayer was still free)
12 years later i got a PC, i downloaded steam… and when i logged in, there was portal2 waiting for me to download it.
sony can go fuck themselves
This is a good thing, companies shouldn’t hoard people’s data forever.
Did you actually play Portal 2? And what did you think of it?
Also not OP: It was fun. More backstory, more mechanics. I didn’t have a family to play the multiplayer co-op stuff, but it also looked fun.
Not the original commenter, but I really enjoyed it. A little bit longer than Portal with some real gems in the dialog. I would say if you enjoyed the first one, then play the second. I did not do any of the couch-co-op stuff, just the main story, so I have no idea if it’s decent.
Coop is fun, especially when you’re messing with your partner
It requires some experience with first person camera controls, though. I found out that can be a real challenge for people who don’t play a lot of video games.
also found out switch deletes your cloud saves after a while if you stop paying
Huh. That’s actually a little disappointing. I have a couple of exclusives on there that I would prefer not to lose. But I also no longer own any modern PlayStation consoles, nor am I likely to in the future. So trying to decide if this is going to be the thing that makes me leave Sony for good, or if I should just make a little effort to login from time to time.
Reminds me, I have an old ps3 with a broken disc drive in need of being jailbroken. I should get on that.
Super straightforward. Best thing you can do. Load a usb drive with ISOs and you are set. Its the best homebrew/emulation console you could hope for. If your disc drive was working it would be the cheapest bluray player you could hope for
I wonder if logging into the app on your phone would take care of that requirement.
Yes.
My decade old Sony boycott looks more & more prescient every week.
I should’ve listened to the haters. I got way too leveraged into Sony’s ecosystem and so now I suffer.
The good is I still have enough PC games that I actually own (well, control) to last me for years and years and years.
The last good product Sony made was the Walkman.
Trinitron, Vaio, Mini-Discs, Cybershots, FF/ASPC Cameras, WH-1000X headphones. They have had some decent stuff, less so recently.
You will eat nothing and you will be happy
“How do we squander 3 decades of consumer goodwill in a week and a half?” Seriously wtf are you doing Sony
‘We need to replicate the success of Betamax and minidisc, immediately’ - exec that was never told.
It’s almost like Sony doesn’t want to have a PlayStation division anymore.
It’s odd timing given that microsoft seems to be giving up on Xbox
The Xbox people have a better grasp of things. Consoles have little reason to exist… and the writing was on the wall when the PS3 stumbled out the gate. Really, in the PS2 era, all those Renderware / id Tech 3 / Unreal 1 games running the same on every platform was a big hint that there was no longer a benefit to having different platforms. Now there’s just various badges over x86 PCs and smartphones - and the smartphones are starting to run Steam games.
None of which is to say that Microsoft has conducted their grand scheme to computer-ify the console market with any degree of finesse, consistency, or follow-through. They’re still idiots for setting successful studios on fire, and for refusing to shit or get off the pot vis-a-vis whether there’s gonna be an Xbox The Next One.
tbh, the big thing that made PS2 great for me when I was young is that I could just plug in the disc and play the game… well, at least most of the time. “Please insert a PS2 disc” was definitely a pain.
Back then, the PS2 was graphically-superior to the PC, at least in terms of cost per dollar. They designed console motherboards to integrate to the different components in ways to make them much faster at video games specifically.
Nowadays, consoles are just glorified PCs, and they have no technological advantage. No technological advantage, no public appetite for console exclusives, no reason to exist.
Like HL2 running on your browser
I wouldn’t be surprised.
The whole tech industry is very overtly hell bent on pushing through an ai controlled dystopia.
What good would the current model of gaming be?
Have a bunch of people work very hard on a game and all that work “loses it’s value” after a year or so. (In their eyes, shit’s gotta sell).
When you can have ai just dream/hallucinate up a game and stream that instead? (It’s nowhere near that yet, but holy shit would they love it)
Now you have an endless stream of stuff to sell that costs you zero manpower.
Now the good peasants go work and can have half an hour of slop per day as a reward. And if they revolt, you just cut them off.
Where this breaks down is where the AI tech is in this decade/century. Between running out of RAM and the fact these agents barely get marginally difficult tasks (programming wise) done, they won’t be outputting the slop AAA games are today. When you have people making games and most players are pissed at how bad they are and how expensive, we all know that AI built games will be way, way worse and stild as expensive.
do they have any other lines of business that make them money??
i know the camera business is supplies sensors to the majority of cellphones… but the tv business is dead, the phone business is dead (or might asd well be, since it’s asia only), the movie studio can’t buy a hit, what does sony do if it doenst have paystation??>
The phones are not Asia only
I’ve been a hardcore PlayStation guy since I was about 9 when I got my first console the PS1.
Crash team racing is better than Mario Kart 64
Spyro the Dragon is the best 3D platformer of the late 90s.
I’ve had a PS2… That still works 22 years later.
I was in the great wars of PS2 vs XBOX.
I like Halo 1 and 2, I like Killzone 1, 2 and 3.
I was there at the beginning.
I was there when Sony moved their PlayStation HQ from Japan to America.
I was there when the quality of good JRPGs and adventure games plummeted so we could be fed a new call of duty and FIFA every year.
These days I’m PC, PS5 and switch. I will not be buying a PS6 or a Switch 2.
It should be mentioned that… I’d rather throw myself down a cliff than buy an Xbox.
It’s not just them. I accidentally ended up in prison for 5 years and lost my Google account, and because I had 2FA set up with email and the phone number I had at the time on pretty much everything that means I also lost my steam account and pretty much every single digital account I had. Thousands of games on different storefronts.
Ironically the only single place that helped me recover my account was the kind folks at Roberts Space Industries. I was an initial backer… Maybe one day the game will be done.
Everything else I pirate now. If you don’t own it physically, you don’t own it.
An initial backer of Star Citizen who still believes in the project is worth his weight in gold-pressed latinum to Roberts Space Industries.
… I mean, I don’t. They’ve done some cool shit, but they haven’t made one actual good game much less a billion dollars worth of good games. But after losing steam, GOG, PlayStation, and Microsoft accounts I just sort of got desperate.
Star Citizen depresses me because it has such cool stuff in it and tech and I feel like it would be great … If they reigned in the infinite scope creep, if they spent more of their time and budget on code refactoring and optimization and actually started squashing the same damn bugs that constantly rear their head in new and ingenious forms.
Like the 20% of the time you are playing and it’s working like it should - honestly superb. But not worth it since you’re spending the other 80% of the time fighting the UI or crashing to desktop or otherwise occupied in some fuckery of troubleshooting or just having to spend another 30 minutes for the 10th time getting a kit on and getting to your ship.
It’s kind of a great cautionary tale, or it would be if they didn’t have gobs of money and people still handing them more to worship at the alter of a busted game.
God I tried to play again just a few months ago, saw there was a new home station and thought “cool!” Promptly spawned into falling through the abyss and even after killing myself it wouldn’t respawn me properly. So yeah I have up again after that and after I walked around a little and saw all the NPCs are (years later) still standing still or weirdly hovering or not sitting right … Just … Yeah.
I know this game is still “in alpha” but like … Alpha functionality should include letting me spawn in at the starting location I selected. How fucked is CIG ame development process when that’s even a thing?
I will be fucking amazed if squadron 42 is real and reliably works. I want it to, I so desperately want to be wrong and have an ostrich sized egg on my face. Pretty sure I’m going to turn out to be right ,sadly.
Anyways just a random rant for the internet.
I mean… it’s been like 20 years, hundreds of millions spent, over a billion raised. Still being “in alpha” says it all.
Maybe it will be ready for my retirement, and we can play it in VR while really high in a nursing home. o_O
That would be pretty awesome. Although by the time I’m in a nursing home really high playing a space sim in VR I expect something better to have emerged. Oh and also star citizen would have to start supporting VR which afaik it still doesn’t.
Honestly, it’s a really good lesson in why sometimes the big bad mean publishers and studio execs can be a necessary evil to get a game released.
I just would expect to not be running into the same bugs from literally 5 years ago still popping up in the game but it’s a byproduct of how the software has been designed and coded. I’m not saying it’s a straight up scam, shit I might even suggest someone spend the $30, or whatever the cheapest pledge is, just to play with what I’d consider an overblown tech demo. The software is cool, a lot of stuff in the game is cool, hell the game just looks pretty. Plus it is awesome when it works, but it’s fiddly as hell and everything takes too long because it’s part of some convoluted system that is poorly explained. That’s the rub too, it does take easily 30 to 45 minutes just to get some gear and even get to your ship and get your mission/load out/cargo sorted. When you spent 30 minutes walking around only to get stranded by a bugged out elevator, or fall through a floor, or watch the train that you need to take to get to your hangar glitch out … Etc etc … It’s beyond aggravating. Especially because there is no quick and easy way to reset.
Idk why I’m just in a rant mood but thanks for humoring me.
“Maybe one day the game will be done,” is more grace than that game deserves, as you probably are aware.
I just found out about Luanti, a voxel-engine with a bunch of different implementations. It’s free. I’m going to try that this week.
The formatting of my message got ruined… I had to use two returns or it all ended up in a giant wall of text…
(For people under 30, Return is what the Enter key is called… I don’t know what it’s called on phones… the icon on your phone that is going down and has an arrow pointing left).
‘Return’ is a typewriter holdover for new line + carriage return, since a new line just went down without returning all the way to the start. The arrow to the right means its a ‘return’ key ;) Just turned 33 too
Hey now, I know what it is and I am only… Oh god…
the only playstations i will be buying are ones with old and outdated firmwares and hen support
I’m PS5, Switch 2, and PC tertiary. Honestly, I regret buying the Switch 2 since I can nearly play all the same games on SW1 still.
Ill probably still get a PS6 since I already only buy digital, but having an account deleted after only 3 years is complete BS, and makes me rethink everything.
