Pretty much my trajectory for making Nazi jokes. Used to be fun and edgy when I was younger, but once I found out there were actual Nazis these days, it was horrifying.
Yeah, this doesn’t excuse anything, but as a millennial growing up there was this whole trend of “dark humor” and “anti-jokes.” Basically the more fucked up and wrong something was, the funnier it was supposed to be.
That doesn’t make it okay, but we were just stupid teenagers. You could say we shoulda known better, but at the time that was just the trend. Like skibidi toilet and other brainrot today. Everyone knew it wasn’t serious, that no one could actually mean those jokes.
At least, we thought we did. It seems as we grew up, we diverged into two main groups. Those who realized how those “jokes” could actually be harmful and grew out of it, and those who started taking the jokes more and more seriously until they started meaning it and it became part of their personalities.
I think that’s a huge source of disconnect with Gen Z. I don’t think they ever had a concept of dark humor. By the time they reached that age, the trend was more towards acceptance and inclusion, social awareness and non-harmful language. The old “sticks and stones” no longer applied.
So to early Gen Z, late Millennials probably looked like sociopaths. Especially since we were already on social media, and some of that immature bullshit is indelibly marked on the internet.
And you can’t just tell them “it was just a joke, we didn’t mean it, it wasn’t serious” because that’s such an alien concept to them.
I think that’s a huge source of disconnect with Gen Z. I don’t think they ever had a concept of dark humor.
I mean, I dunno; I think you’re right in the sense that Gen. Z doesn’t do edgy humor nearly as much but they are still known for irony poisoning and I think you get similar outcomes, just (now) with the veneer of there being, really, a truth to what you’re saying.
“Helen Keller didn’t really do all that” is squarely a Gen. Z “joke” with just as awful implications as dark humor.
I mean I’ll fully admit that I don’t know the intricacies of Gen Z humor. I’ve heard some of it, and there’s a lot about it that I don’t understand. It can be amusing with the sheer volume of absurdism that it contains. I used to despair over “not getting the joke” until I realized that in many cases, there’s nothing to get. It’s just absurdist buffoonery channeled into shitpost-tier memes.
Maybe they do have elements of dark humor that I haven’t picked up on, but if so it’s very different from millennial dark humor. A lot of the shit we used to joke about would not fly these days, and in many cases it’s with good reason. You’d be labeled a psycho if you tried.
Considering trends are started by a single dedicated schizo I’d say not hard. I’m pretty sure one very dedicated person made fit and beyond believe onions boosted test.
i mean i know two people who got sucked into WoW for years, to the point it became a major problem in their lives. they’re both redhats so i just figured it was a small sample size thing.
Something similar happened to me once, ended up sharing something that I figured was satire and antifa, then it did end up in fact being satire but also nazi. Basically everyone thought it was on their side, correct or not.
That’s why I don’t engage with that stuff. I understand shitposting, but not everyone can tell the difference. Especially if a bot is scraping to train a model or build a profile on users.
This is why the /s is important. It should always be explicitly clear when a post is satire, if being taken seriously could be harmful.
That’s why I hate it when people say “chill, it’s just a shitpost, it’s not that deep.” Like, this is how disinformation spreads…
wasn’t that 4chan in general, it’s fun to post far right memes and jokes until the actual far right shows up and doesn’t know the difference
Pretty much my trajectory for making Nazi jokes. Used to be fun and edgy when I was younger, but once I found out there were actual Nazis these days, it was horrifying.
I can see why people stick to Roman jokes
Yeaaaah I have a similar story. It’s all fun and games until you realize the other person actually does want to kill jews.
The amount of jews I want to unironically kill is zero.
Yeah, this doesn’t excuse anything, but as a millennial growing up there was this whole trend of “dark humor” and “anti-jokes.” Basically the more fucked up and wrong something was, the funnier it was supposed to be.
That doesn’t make it okay, but we were just stupid teenagers. You could say we shoulda known better, but at the time that was just the trend. Like skibidi toilet and other brainrot today. Everyone knew it wasn’t serious, that no one could actually mean those jokes.
At least, we thought we did. It seems as we grew up, we diverged into two main groups. Those who realized how those “jokes” could actually be harmful and grew out of it, and those who started taking the jokes more and more seriously until they started meaning it and it became part of their personalities.
I think that’s a huge source of disconnect with Gen Z. I don’t think they ever had a concept of dark humor. By the time they reached that age, the trend was more towards acceptance and inclusion, social awareness and non-harmful language. The old “sticks and stones” no longer applied.
So to early Gen Z, late Millennials probably looked like sociopaths. Especially since we were already on social media, and some of that immature bullshit is indelibly marked on the internet.
And you can’t just tell them “it was just a joke, we didn’t mean it, it wasn’t serious” because that’s such an alien concept to them.
I mean, I dunno; I think you’re right in the sense that Gen. Z doesn’t do edgy humor nearly as much but they are still known for irony poisoning and I think you get similar outcomes, just (now) with the veneer of there being, really, a truth to what you’re saying.
“Helen Keller didn’t really do all that” is squarely a Gen. Z “joke” with just as awful implications as dark humor.
I mean I’ll fully admit that I don’t know the intricacies of Gen Z humor. I’ve heard some of it, and there’s a lot about it that I don’t understand. It can be amusing with the sheer volume of absurdism that it contains. I used to despair over “not getting the joke” until I realized that in many cases, there’s nothing to get. It’s just absurdist buffoonery channeled into shitpost-tier memes.
Maybe they do have elements of dark humor that I haven’t picked up on, but if so it’s very different from millennial dark humor. A lot of the shit we used to joke about would not fly these days, and in many cases it’s with good reason. You’d be labeled a psycho if you tried.
motion to make all dumb blonde jokes into dumb nazi jokes
I’d ask what the difference is, but nazis are so rarely as blond as they’d like
Mostly started very quickly in 2015.
I wonder how hard it is to infiltrate and influence an anonymous message board.
Considering trends are started by a single dedicated schizo I’d say not hard. I’m pretty sure one very dedicated person made fit and beyond believe onions boosted test.
…am I having a stroke? What does that last sentence mean?
Are your serious or have you never drawn fit from of root? Lol
Drinking raw onion juice boosts testosterone production apparently*
Oh boy do I have a rabbit hole for you: https://archive.is/RvJdW
Scan qr code to verify your human. Really?
refresh and you should get the old pick the ones with traffic lights
funnily enough guy said they have it because otherwise wouldn’t be able to keep up with traffic
i mean i know two people who got sucked into WoW for years, to the point it became a major problem in their lives. they’re both redhats so i just figured it was a small sample size thing.
barrens chat was a psyop
Something similar happened to me once, ended up sharing something that I figured was satire and antifa, then it did end up in fact being satire but also nazi. Basically everyone thought it was on their side, correct or not.
That’s why I don’t engage with that stuff. I understand shitposting, but not everyone can tell the difference. Especially if a bot is scraping to train a model or build a profile on users.
This is why the /s is important. It should always be explicitly clear when a post is satire, if being taken seriously could be harmful.
That’s why I hate it when people say “chill, it’s just a shitpost, it’s not that deep.” Like, this is how disinformation spreads…
Poe’s law in action.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law