Poor people should just simply try working for their father’s company for a year and then taking a VP position at a small fortune 500. I don’t understand why they won’t try that, and pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Tsk tsk tsk.
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There’s so many other issues too, such as the fact that old job posts don’t really get removed, employers/recruiters also spam multiple websites with their job posts and forget to check them, and some of the job descriptions don’t even match what you go and sign up for.
No salaries mentioned on lots of posts, multi stage interviews that somehow demand your free time during work hours, so good luck interviewing for other roles while you have a job. Take home assignments that take multiple hours sometimes, sacrificing a whole evening.
Recruiters that will ask for all your information again, despite having found your phone number from your CV, and once you go through that, tell you they have nothing for you and that they’ll be in touch.
Questions that mean nothing in an interview, including acronyms I haven’t used or even heard of outside of interviewing for other jobs, because my job doesn’t need or use them, we just do the work.
Job is listed as remote
During interview they tell you they expect you to move to bumfuck north dakota within 6 months of starting
To be fair, that is remote.
Job is listed as remote.
During the interview they tell you it only requires 2 days a week in the office. You tell them you don’t have a car… they reply there are trains from where you live to where the office is located… you look it up and they’re right, it’s just a 2 hour commute each way. You start to think “8 hours a week, is like 1.5 hours a day for 5 days, could be worse…”. Then you realize their hiring process requires 3 more on-site interviews before even getting an offer.
Got this with Anchorage, Alaska. How did they expect they could hoodwink somebody up to Anchorage?!
Oh, our apologies, we’re in AK, you must have assumed we were in one of the other 7 Anchorages in the lower 48:
Kentucky Louisiana Maryland Mississippi New Jersey Texas UtahWe’ve never had this happen before, how strange.
Take home assignments that take multiple hours sometimes, sacrificing a whole evening.
Do NOT do this.
Taking a live proficiency test is one thing, particularly if you’re applying for more senior roles, but doing actual projects for free in your spare time should be a hard pass. Full stop.
I made the mistake of doing a take home assignment once. They didn’t even have the courtesy to give me feedback on it when I asked.
Not doing a home assignment(or work test as we call them) would mean never getting a job within the industry I work in, or at least not within the country I’m in.
And as someone that have been on both sides of this they are a great tool especially as it gives something to focus on in a technical interview. Though I would say that a requirement for this is that you always give/get actual feedback.
What the hell industry do you work in, then?
Video games
Don’t forget the tech listings that require 5 years experience in a particular programming language when the language has only even existed for the past 2 years…
Catch-22 situations, where it’s impossible to meet the qualifications. 🤦♂️
This is part of the interview. It’s to see if you can deal with project managers once you get hired.
Jesus Christ you just described my life for the last six months.
I feel like these are the real issues - I can’t tell how much of OP is meant to be a joke … “You forget to check the website and you miss the time”. I mean, that’s on you. Also it’s often easy to blag the magic words an interviewer wants to hear, the real danger is that the job is NOT as advertised.
The number of interviews I used to sit in on, and wonder WTF the interviewer was thinking… One asked a service designer “if you were a type of cake, what would you be?”
I would disagree, those issues are valid too. Why does every website needs its own account, phone number etc? I get so many spam calls when I start looking for a job because of this. Just e-mail me. I’m not going to check your website every day for 2 weeks just to see if you get back to me.
The spam calls also put less value on actually answering my phone, because half the time it is a spam call. Why does every recruiter need to call? Why does every site need a number when I just need one answer, yes or no. I have my CV, I have my skills on my CV, and with one reply I can send you a very short list of what I’m looking for in 2 minutes, not every job needs a 30 minute phone conversation only for the recruiter to decide they have nothing for me.
And yes, there are magic words the interviewer wants to hear as well. As someone who sometimes struggles in higher pressure situations (which my field does not require at all btw), and also struggles with using the correct vocabulary or recalling random phrases and key words they want to hear, it’s frustrating to no end.
Honestly, I feel this should have all been streamlined by now, especially when I’ve already worked somewhere for years and my company has been satisfied with my performance - why is this not enough? Why can’t this be quantified somehow? An alternative which very few companies do is give me a technical/practical interview that’s actually like the job as advertised. Much easier for remote roles, but can be done in person too. Let me do the job, show you I can do the job, and then you decide to hire me based on that.
I do relate to your last point though, the amount of unrelated riddles or whatever get asked to ‘see how I think’ or something is ridiculous. Even when I get the answers right, the interviewer themselves don’t seem sure. I don’t get it.
In my industry, practical interviews are very common, but they’re not always reliable. I can get as much from asking someone about their process and being talked through a case study they’ve chosen, as giving them a practical exercise to perform on the spot. I’d usually do both.
I’m not disagreeing with the overall inefficiency and frustration of the whole process, I’ve felt it on both sides. It’s messy - bad or overstretched HR teams, slow managers, unclear budgets, poor choice of tech platforms…
One asked a service designer “if you were a type of cake, what would you be?”
“Cheesecake with chocolate frosting. Don’t ask me why, it’s confidential.” (stupid questions deserve stupid answers)
The only possible use I could imagine, was to test how people respond to irrelevant stupid questions, since that happens a lot in some workplaces. Do they get frustrated and make it awkward, or shrug it off politely.
Good point. So how would you say I did… was the frosting part too much? 😃
But really, I wonder if it’s also a neurodivergence test; in an actual interview setting, I’d probably tend to think about it seriously and answer sincerely, then follow up with details if prompted.
Haha, yeah you might be onto something there. It felt like a way to pull the rug from under people to see how they cope, which wasn’t nice. I try to put people at ease in interviews, rather than try to catch them out.
I was ambushed with a “so, what do you do for fun?” once and the sudden context switch made me pause for so long that I must’ve seemed like I had no life outside of work 😬
I was ambushed with a “so, what do you do for fun?” once
Same, I said “I like electronics and taking things apart”, for an IT position. Got the job, ended up on printer duty. That wasn’t what I meant by “fun” 😐
Well, problem 1 is using indeed. What an obsolete site for most places. But i get the joke.
Not that prospects are much better elsewhere. Like LinkedIn for instance with their “click here for instant apply” and then you see that you’re one of 50 people (today) to apply for this open role and some AI in the background estimated based on your profile that you have 22% chance of getting the job BUT if you pay for premium you can knock that 22% up to 50% and an AI writes you a better profile…
I really do feel sorry for the crap the boomer gen and even my generation (genx) has left every generation after.
#eattherich
What should I be using then?
If you listen to the crowd on here, a guillotine on the ruling classes.
Well obviously, I meant beyond that
LinkedIn and Indeed combo still work fine, but personal network is age old and never not the best choice.
“personal networking” feels a lot like just saying “go fish in a bathtub”
It means “be rich”.
People who have to work 40 hours a week, plus do their own cooking and cleaning, plus all their own errands, plus taking care of the kids or pets, don’t have time to network.
There’s a reason politics is filled with rich lawyers and finance people, and it because they have the luxury of networking.
People who have to work 40 hours a week, plus do their own cooking and cleaning, plus all their own errands, plus taking care of the kids or pets, don’t have time to network.
No, networking means maintaining healthy relationships with your peers, friends, and coworkers from all your previous jobs and telling people you’re looking for one.
If there’s no luck there, then yes, you suck it up and go to the gutter pile of Indeed, classifieds, and doing work you never wanted to do lol.
anyone who says ‘networking’ is a charlatan imo. at least try to word it like a human being while giving advice
I agree, I put in the shoes of HR and Management, I CAN FEEL YOUR DESPERATION, you are acting like an attention whore and this smells in KILOMETERS.
Depends on how big your bathtub is. But really. Knowing people in your field is always helpful.
It’s basically useless when you’ve tried your network and it’s all dead ends. This advice feels like the “don’t be ugly” of the employment world.
CV library gets me some calls from recruiters, be prepared for spam/WhatsApp scams though
Is that really the way? I mean, there’s just not enough of the ruling class to go around for everyone to have their turn.
Sharing is caring, I guess!
Something the ruling class does not do
I’m listening…
I agree
Depends on your level and job. Honestly I’m still going to say LinkedIn in most cases, if only because Its the professional social network. Companies can look you up, so you need a good profile to attract those recruiters that pay to find people. It’s a sick game, but at least now there are AI profile services that can help you get ahead.
Indeed is cheap and used by cheap recruiters to get the most applicants directed to some other job board that costs them near nothing to aggregate resumes. You can’t even be sure you’re using the company job site to apply in some cases. At least with LinkedIn you can do the searching for the real job post.
I’ve had a lot of response back through LinkedIn. Landed one of my jobs through it. Other three were personal and professional connections.
A gun pointed at your head
All of the jobs I’ve had in my life, that I didn’t get through personal connexions, I’ve found on glassdoor.
Glassdoor has got to be the worst name for a job site. Evokes the phrase “glass ceiling” which is not something that anyone wants to have at their job.
Except indeed has replaced every job listing and recruitment. Even the “top” recruiting firms now are doing all their work on indeed.
Yep. Comes down to money and they can’t make big money off you if you hide behind the great LinkedIn pay wall. Look, recruiters like everyone else are trying to milk every penny out of their sale (you). You say “top” but are they exclusive? Are you applying at the company portal? Can you find this job yourself and apply direct? Top recruiters doesn’t mean as much as is used to. Right now you’re one of 30 applicants being submitted by a semi-competent recruiter that uses a tool to evaluate how much your resume fits and how much profit they can make if they bring you in under the salary range.
Indeed is a crap job site used by cheap recruiters. at least with LinkedIn you’re better armed with searching.
At my last job I got sick of the management so I just did easy apply to like 50 jobs that were suitable as they came up. Actually got my current job from it. Unfortunately probably won’t happen now since there are like 20k laid off people looking in my field.
I have applied to over 500 jobs on LinkedIn. I got one interview. I swear sometimes that it’s all just a hamster wheel and nobody ever gets a job through it.
From my experience smaller companies are more likely to respond to them. I also prefer smaller companies so it’s a filter for me. That and it’s like 0 effort haha
My hubby went in for an interview and was told he got the job so he told his other prospective employers that he was no longer interested. Before he could arrange a start date, they ghosted him. He tried to call but it went to an outsourced helpdesk that told him they would create a ticket and he would get a call back. No call after several days. He physically went into the place and the hiring manager seemed flustered that he was there and told him they would contact him. After two weeks from when he was told he would get the job, he finally got a hold of the guy he interviewed with and was told they gave the position to someone else because he was “unreachable”.
Problems like this are the reason why I don’t hold loyalty to any company unless they’ve proven their competency. The ones that are good rarely hire because the employees don’t want to leave.
That’s terrible, I hope it all worked out, but absolutely never say anything until you’ve both signed a contract unless you’re looking for a counter offer, which is risky AF.
People pull out of informal agreements all the time, it’s not an employer thing - legal issues, real estate, appointments, competition prizes, dates…
Yeah that’s why I hold off on turning down other offers until the last possible moment when I know 100% the new gig is locked down. Then you inform them as gently and kindly as possible to leave the door open if it doesn’t work out. Usually the good ones won’t take it personally and are open to working together in the future if you decide to leave.
Was scared of the same thing happening to me, was ghosted for 2 MONTHS and was about to start at a different place when they finally reached back with a bunch of excuses. The same company says they desperately need more workers lol
“No one wants to work anymore” does not mean what it’s individual words imply. It’s like “fucking hell”. It has a different meaning.
It means “we don’t want to pay, we think labor is too expensive”
That and/or, “I’m such a raging asshole that I’ve created a terrible, toxic environment and everybody always quits.”
“No one wants to work anymore”
Yeah, Karen. No one wants to work in the first place. You think you deserve employees who will accept crackers as payment for the joy and excitement of generating value for a company so you don’t have to?
Literally, people like rslash used to exploit whenever reddit tells stories (unclear if their even real) about karens demanding labor so cheap, these ‘people’ (insanely one note and possably fake people)
askcoerse people to work for them for less than half of what you’d expect from a gig or office job or no money at all.rslash choosing beggers::: spoiler image
:::Are these the boomer karens your refering to?
You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. “Do you want to fill out the application manually, or upload your resume?” You select the latter and upload your resume. Indeed loads the next page: “Please fill out your work history manually.” You scream 20 times
Pro tip: for the workday applications with the manual forms, I have a separate file I upload without formatting that perfectly fills out the forms in the fields they want, then I upload a formatted resume.
That’s genius!
Cpoy and paste if you can and you need to
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"You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. The silence is deafening.
"You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. Half of them require you to create an account on the company website. You have a trail of ghost accounts that will be used once and never again. You never receive a response.
"You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. One employer offers an interview, but it’s so rare for you to receive any response that you forget to check the website and you miss the time.
"You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. One employer offers an interview, but you don’t know the magic words that signal to the esoteric mind of an interviewer that you’re fit for the job.
"You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. One employer e-mails you saying that ‘unfortunately, you do not have the qualifications we are looking for’. You check the job again and see you applied to be a menial labourer.
"You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. Half of them require a car a car. No one stops to ask how you’re supposed to afford one with no job.
"You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. One employer offers a job. The commute makes you want to die in your sleep.
"You call the HR manager for the workplace in hopes of arranging an interview more directly. They don’t even have an answering machine.
“Employers complain that no one wants to work anymore.”
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You do good work, keep it up. Oh and also, blockquotes are useful for distinguishing quoted text. I hope this makes your life a little easier
My title of my post
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In your post editor it looks like
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Posts on lemmy and and a lot of other places support markdown. Its really handy.
Thank you! Tips are always appreciated. I’ll edit my original comment as you suggested, if I’ve done it wrong let me know. 💜
it looks pretty good. 👍
I finally got to experience this from the inside. I was on the team that interviewed people to back fill my position after I was promoted. We didn’t interview 1 external candidate. Promoted someone from below and then hired a new entry level person. We realized our internal hire has less experience, but they were the safe fast option that could get started right away.
It’s so, so frustrating that so many places require a job to be posted even when there’s an internal candidate and it’s already been decided. I work in government where we’re often hard-required to post all jobs and it sucks to see so many people applying for a job when I know they absolutely will not be considered for the role.
In my experience, a majority of job postings are essentially fake because it’s already been decided, and I hate it.
You had me until missing an interview is not your fault. When I got an interview I wrote that date and time on everything. I couldnt go five feet without a reminder. If you miss an interview (barring medical or personal emergency) that’s on you, but I guess that’s an unpopular opinion.
You can’t set reminders if you never knew the interview existed. It’s still their fault, but it’s an easy mistake to make.
Even further, each site is unique in features, layout and design. Its a dice roll how youll be contacted or how you set reminders in app. if they have a date/time, put it in your calendar app, dont rely on their garbage.
Edit: some dont notify you they even made an event for you, welp your screwed.
but it’s so rare for you to receive any response that you forget to check the website
Can’t you set notifications to be sent to your phone?
Lots of people don’t like giving their phone numbers to websites.
I read it differently. It’s an ambience. The author is not taking off actual interviews being scheduled.
Rather, replies to your applications are so few that you end up getting frustrated. Because of that, in the long run, you forget checking the website. Now, if in the meanwhile you get a reply, nobody’s home to receive it.
You miss it not because you’re lazy or careless, but because you’re human and there’s so much you can do to keep hoping.
not really the main point or any reason to dismiss the whole thing. we aren’t playthings for corporations, the whole interviewing facade where we’re supposed to be dutiful and perfect and company-fearing is dumb
Did you misread the second paragraph?
This has happened to me and there’s some confusion in the comments so I’ll attempt to clarify here, it’s not missing an interview in the way we’re perceiving it. What happens is;
On indeed, you can pre-fill out an application and “quick apply” to most jobs, and that’s the entire application process for that job. If you’re accepted for an interview, they will message you on the indeed app or maybe via email.
But many of the jobs you can apply to on indeed don’t accept quick apply and instead direct you to their website, where you apply again, and from then on must log into their site frequently checking back for responses, potential invites to interviews, recommendations for other openings etc.
So they’re not missing an interview they’ve been notified about, they’re missing the notification of an upcoming interview because they didn’t check the site that notified them.
Is that still on them? Yeah, technically. But many, many sites are now doing this on indeed. Back when I was applying it didn’t take me long to be signed up for indeed + DG + Walmart+ Amazon + UPS etc etc.
I’m sure I’m signed up to at least 50 different sites. 99% of those sites will never notify me of anything aside from other job openings.
So you get forgetful sometimes, checking 50 sites a day can do that to you.
Then one of them offers you an interview on their site, but you only checked 40 sites today and spent the rest of your time mass quick applying to 100 new jobs instead of checking the remaining 10 sites that had a .001% chance of actually offering you a job anyway.
I mean, yeah, the blame is still on them. If you’re in desperate need of a job with nothing else going on then you should be religiously checking every site you’re signed up with. However, I can see forgetting to check one or two as well because there are a fucking lot and it’s a lot to remember.
I remember hating to apply to jobs that required me to use their site so, so badly, because they ALREADY had my application from indeed but instead of just using that app they want me to arbitrarily sign up for their site instead, that’s likely much more of a hassle than indeed, and add ANOTHER fucking layer of difficulty to just getting a damn job.
A better way to get employees seems to be to just accept quick applications from indeed, message them on the app and just set up a damn interview. With indeed available I’m not sure why these companies even use their own sites.
Very similar to finding a new home.
Bonus challenge: Find a new home without a job.
Oh man. I’m in my 40s, working full time in an office-based, professional role and renting is fucky even for someone who can prove a stable income. You go to look at a house, only to find 20 other people queued up waiting. You like the house, you offer to rent it, only to find that it’s been rented to someone offering £200 a month more than the list price.
It’s absolute shit.
I am on lifelong disability which means I get a guaranteed amount of money each month for life.
No landlords will touch me, a person with a GUARANTEED INCOME.
However, if you have a job, that you can get fired from or quit the next day, they’ll accept you. Blows my fucking mind.
Btw, for anyone wondering, if I lose my job, the government will step in and give me money for my disability. If I have a job, they don’t give me money. If I have a shit job where I make a couple hundred per month, they’ll cover the difference. I don’t mooch off the government, but my point is that I’m lucky enough to have a safety net, and landlords are so dumb they run away from it.
Godspeed.
Years ago I rented to a section 8 tenant. She was a single mom, and my mom was a single mom, so I wanted to help her. The rent was guaranteed and I receive a check in the mail directly from the housing authority. However, the tenant never took care of the house. At times, it seems she was unemployed, but was still receiving the assistance, which was nice I guess. But I don’t know what she does with her time because you’d think she will at least try to make the place that she lives in as clean / nice as she can with her time. Unfortunately, I ended up having to pay over $10k to fix up my house after she left, and the home has a lot of random damages like broken window screens, big holes in the walls, etc. Never have those issues with other tenants.
Point is, many people who receive gov’t assistance never have their life together. And my experiences tell me to run away as fast as possible whenever I encounter them. As opposed to people who work hard for their money, they actually take care of the places.
You may be different, but again, once bitten, twice shy.
No landlords will touch me, a person with a GUARANTEED INCOME.
However, if you have a job, that you can get fired from or quit the next day, they’ll accept you. Blows my fucking mind.
Exactly, it’s crazy. Some even go further and require you to earn 3x as much as your rent.
While I understand it’s a good rule of thumb to not spend more than 1/3 on rent … a good rule of thumb for THE RENTING PERSON, that is. Why would any landlord care if I eat oats or drive a lambo? As long as I pay my rent, what do they even care how much I have left?
And since rents have been rising more than wages, satisfying this unecessary demand becomes increasingly difficult.
Maybe it is because they are not rational homo economicuses. They find someone to rent their place anyways, so they can use their power to punish or reward people based on their societal ideals. Or simply have a say in what kind of people are allowed to live in that hood.
Same with buying shoes; how do you expect me to go to the shoe store without having shoes to walk in?
And for glasses; how can I find my glasses without glasses?
you were trying to be sarcastic, but instead you have revealed a major issue with the recidivism of homelessness and crime that affects every modern society.
if one of us is in chains, none of us are free.
you were trying to be sarcastic, but instead you have…
Lol no, I know better than trying to be sarcastic online, I was making the same point as you (although less eloquently). Wholeheartedly agree with what you said!
For real though, don’t ask if I like the new frames I’m trying on. How am I supposed to know? I’m not wearing my glasses
Nowadays one way to do it is to record a video in selfie mode while you try on the frames and move your head around a bit, then switch back to your real glasses and watch the video.
Some glasses dealers now have apps which CG the frames in question onto your face, and the results are getting more impressive and less cartoony.
This is a great piece of advice thanks for sharing it!
I’ve tried the CGI frames before but none of them look like real glass to me. I do have a big head though so that’s probably a part of it.
Where is the lemmy for jobs? There is no need to create an account for every company if they all use activitypub.
More than half of my recent applications all used the same workday application service, but you need a unique workday account for every fucking company. Why in the world is it not just a single account‽
It’s intentional and is basically hazing. They think you will want the job more if they make you put unnecessary effort into applying for it.
In terms of infosec, it’s better for each to have it’s own account as you don’t want any linkages to other organisations with your data.
It’s a gigantic pain in the hole though when you use a password manager.
there needs to be a common form for job applications like with college
they’re incentivized to make it as shitty as possible both for this rite of passage shite as well as de-incentivizing workers in general from switching jobs ‘too freely’. it helps retention knowing how fucking miserable the process is
there needs to be a common form for job applications like with college
Wait, what? This is a thing now? Back in the late 1990’s this was most certainly not a thing, but if it’s a thing now - wow!
I’m a graphic designer and I applied to over 100 jobs before a recruiter got back to me and said she loved my portfolio and sent it up the chain.
And how long ago was that? And have you heard back since?
That was earlier today so I haven’t heard anything yet.
I also read an article recently that companies are posting “ghost jobs” where they don’t plan to hire anyone at all.
Yes, the “ghost jobs” are for two reasons:
- Collect resumes in case finance approves more funding. In that case, they will be read.
- Appear to be growing to stockholders and analysts. If you say you are growing and have no job openings, they will not believe you.
Yeah I’ve experienced the first one. I accepted a position somewhere else long before, but by the time one of the companies had gotten back to me, it had been 7 months since I applied.
I also read an article recently that companies are posting “ghost jobs” where they don’t plan to hire anyone at all.
Also the whole, “post a job with impossible requirements, back fill with cheap imported workers/my mate when the position is inevitably unfilled”.
Careful, if you talk about how the USA’s H1-B visa program is a steaming pile of horseshit designed to allow corporate America to commit fraud and give away 80,000 skilled jobs a year to underpaid imported workers instead of paying market rates to well-qualified US citizens and green card holders, you might get downvoted. Folks here have trouble with balancing their hatred of corporate America with their hatred of the word “citizen” being used unironically.
Good luck to you my friend
Thank you!
I hire in technology. I can easily spend weeks filling a position. Candidates lie through their resumes and interviews 20 wasted interviews = 30 hours cultivating those interviews I have about a 26% no show, no response to missed interviews. Posting a job equals literally hundreds of emails, recruiters, off shore companies, and badly done resumes.
Headhunters talk big and deliver bottom barrel candidates, no one likes recruiters, so great candidates hardly use them.
When I use tools like one way interviews so I can screen hundreds of candidates, the feedback is “it’s not personal enough”, then no show on an appointment THEY MAKE
I’m a small business, my resources for hiring aren’t extensive.
Just want to give some flavor to the other side of this.
Ok, but - and please don’t think I mean this in an offensive way, I am asking this in the most naive way - isn’t that your whole job? I get that it is annoying, but you don’t waste 30 hours, you just work 30 hours. Hours that you get paid for and hours that you would use to do the same job/try to hire for another position otherwise. Of course you could get more done (i.e. more people hired) in a unit of time, but at the end of the day that’s not your problem really, is it? You did everything correctly. You still get your hours paid.
I didn’t say waste, and my job is managing and engineering. If I were in HR maybe. Even if I were a hiring manager, it’s still a lot of time into finding resources, and anyone in that situation gets frustrated.
You mentioned 20 wasted interview, therefore my wording. Admittedly I read over the part that it isn’t your only responsibility. I can imagine how frustrating it is! Even if this is all you do all day.
But still, you get paid for this. (I once had a well paid bullshit job and understand how draining it is to focus on ridiculous tasks that seem to go nowhere, you got my full sympathy here.) You go home at 5 pm and your day is done. Your paycheck arrives.
We as candidates don’t get paid. We put hours and hours into interviews and applications. It seems in IT it is common to just click on direct apply on linkedin. How I envy this! My husband just clicks on 100 applications and gets like 4-5 invites at least.
I work in the biomedical field/research (in Europe) and let me tell you, no one will even remotely consider me for an interview if I have the audacity to not send an application letter that is specifically tailored to the position. So, for every single job I am applying to I am spending at least two hours (if I am in a run and do a lot of copy pasting, let’s be real here, I often needed almost a whole day) to finish up the application alone. If I get an interview I have to take a vacation day to go interview. Maybe have a trial day if it is a lab based job (which of course is not paid). I have to do the reading on the company, what they do etc. I wrote a fucking application letter detailing how I identify with the companies values and how I have experience in this and that technique.
Then I come in and they haven’t even read my CV so far. They ask me basically no questions. They tell me info about their company that is on their webpage that I can recite. I ask them some questions. They seem to like me a lot. Then I go home. Then they ghost me. I don’t know if it is because I lack a PhD or because I am overqualified because I have an MSc. Or because they see a girl with a wedding ring on her finger in her late 20s and assume I will get pregnant soon. The ones that turn me down at least write a copy pasted email saying they chose another candidate. Vague and no details on what set us apart.
For all of this, for all the typing and reading and travelling and interviewing and trial days I am spending money and time. Time I do not get a salary. Time that is wasted and that I do not get paid for.
It is better in science jobs (there they seem to do very anal reading of everything, which I appreciate and I always get an offer) but corporate businesses are hell.
Do you get the impression that these are real humans lying to try and get the job themselves? Or is it just spam from vendor agencies conjuring hypothetical candidates that they in turn will need to find, taking a cut in the process.
It’s really hard to say. Generative AI can pump out unlimited resumes and fake human data to make everything look real. I don’t know of a service that screens candidates or vets them to make sure they an actual human. It’s kinda tinfoil hat to think hiring agencies are flooding the market with fake, so that people like me will just give up; but… i mean… maybe?
I dont see how that could work. Spamming with ai generated resumes are easy enough but finding a candidate who would accept their offer to just lie and go through with it serms impossible and never heard of. I dont know how these applying process works exactly so is it possible that the service is automatically applying for people based on their relevance? Just a guess tho.
You had me up until one way interview. I don’t respect any hiring manager that cannot face me in an interview. Never do one way interviews because there is no opportunity for the candidate to interview the company.
It’s not the only interview. Jeez. It’s a tool to screen. There’s still interviews.
Look at it from the candidates point of view. You have a set of questions or a task you want us to take the time to complete. We do not have the option to ask you questions and see if it is a good fit. That is one reason why we see it as unfair.
Now I understand that you may have hundreds of applications, 24 hours in a day, and a deadline. I don’t have a better solution for you because I’ve never hired anyone, sorry. I feel for you but many people hate one way interviews.
That’s not the experience we give. What you describe sounds bad.
- candidate gets an email explain company and position in about 3 paragraphs, along with responsibilities and skill we’re looking for.
- offers a short 3 minute video explaining company and role.
- offers a one way interview to introduce themselves, and describe relevant skills or other anecdotes about themselves.
- every candidate receives a phone call
- promoted candidates get f2f (video chat) interview.
So yeah. Perhaps not optimal, but it helps us hire more effectively, and we can process twice {roughly} as many candidates
Yeah whenever I go for an interview for a public position, I try to be mindful that the person or people I’m speaking to are probably exhausted. But unless you’ve got a reference to a private posting directly through a back channel, then I don’t think there’s any way around it - hiring for a role is hard. But ideally, you’ll have the person for years if you can retain them, so doing it right is worthwhile.
Candidates lie
I was a software developer and I often interviewed prospective candidates by phone. It was hilarious how often I heard keyboard tapping in the background after asking a question, and sometimes I could hear other people whispering. I was like c’mon - I’m only phone interviewing to see if it’s worth our time to bring you in for an in-person interview. You’re not going to be able to Google shit (or have your friends do it) when you’re here, so this tactic is not going to land you a job.
then no show on an appointment THEY MAKE
I scare myself that I will miss recruiter appointments, I know that I would make a terrable canadate when I was (and still kinda am) going through mential issues.
Headhunters talk big and deliver bottom barrel candidates, no one likes recruiters, so great candidates hardly use them.
Thank you, thats good to know. Even worse are the orgs that “job hunt for the 3 legged deer of our society” . The corrupt ones will make you feel crippled. ironically, hurting your mential health, making you an unfit canadate and exasurbating the problem.
Ok, but - and please don’t think I mean this in an offensive way, I am asking this in the most naive way - isn’t that your whole job? I get that it is annoying, but you don’t waste 30 hours, you just work 30 hours. Hours that you get paid for and hours that you would use to do the same job/try to hire for another position otherwise. Of course you could get more done (i.e. more people hired) in a unit of time, but at the end of the day that’s not your problem really, is it? You did everything correctly. You still get your hours paid.
“hires for” doesn’t just mean “in-house recruiter”
Hiring is probably not their only responsibility
Put in about 40 apps on indeed. Got one interview, didn’t get job. Couple weeks later got an email from one employer that I wasn’t what the were looking for. I responded, thanking them for at least responding. Got the interview. I hit 5 years in the job next week.
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I do that but half of the time when I get a response like that it’s from some automated email that says no one will read any replies to it.
Five years ago, people treated other people like people. Happy for you though!
Thanks!
It’s a ridiculous situation, where you are left feeling like shit. and when you get the job you realize it is not you but the company is the shit
I feel like I was born at the worst point in time.
i hate how we’re supposed to act like we’re the Most Perfect fit for the role, and So Eager! – the most ideal human to ever walk the earth, specifically for this role.
and you get the job and go there and the coworkers aren’t fucking god and apollo, it’s joey and mark
1000 times this. it feels as if I am auditioning to an acting role and not a job interview. I have watched some videos on YouTube on how to ace a job interview in my field, I couldn’t finish a video without feeling my stomach churn. and it is through and through about what you can bring to their company, and very rarely about what they can bring to you.
Even prostitution feels less dehumanizing than a regular job.
I would rather be raped by Apple than raped be Mongols just saying.
A least back in that time I could just go into some desolate forest labor a patch of land, raise some chickens and not be bothered by anyone. now the homeless can’t even sleep in the park or public land without having the rich and the state chase them off.
That patch of land belongs to the King, peasant. Off the Kingswoods with you.
Kingdoms back then didn’t have as much control of the land and the people as nation states with all the suppressing technological and army apparatus of today. In many parts of the world you’ll be living peacefully for decades before any tax collectors showed up. World history goes beyond Europe’s borders
And die at the ripe old age of 35
You had the boomer take of “hurr durr, they don’t teach history anymore” one reply up, then immediately say dumb shit like this…
Yeah yeah the average life expectancy was dragged down because of infant mortality I know. Congratulations, you found a technicality, dumbass. Do you deny my general point - which there’s no way you’re dumb enough to miss - that the standard of life, and medicine in particular, have vastly improved in the modern era?
I think the guys in the trenches in WW1 would love to trade places with you
At least in WWI I’d have gotten 4Fs and could off myself without any shame. In this life it’s like, shameful to give up but also impossible to get a scrap of enjoyment out of it.
Edit: also your argument is whataboutism
Why do you care if it’s shameful, you’ll be dead
What a weird thing to worry about
Honestly I think I’d make that trade. At least if they lived they would have a house, family and kids to come home to. And a lifetime of prosperity. I’d trade a few horrible years for that. Either way I wouldn’t have to live an entire lifetime struggling for everything.
Ooof I guess they don’t teach kids history anymore.
Im guessing its that he uses the most rosey speach he can, failing to relize that theres some kind of hell for the returning soldiers, or that they dont return.
