Are you…are you fucking serious?
Jesus was literally all about that peace stuff. What fucking Bible is he reading from exactly?!
This is Republican Jesus who hates brown people and loves rich people.
The anti-christ according to republicans actually sounds like a pretty rad dude.
Republican Anti-christ is eeriely similar to brown Jesus 🧐…
Fundamentalists and Evangelicals try to interpret the book of Revelation “literally.” Most scholars think it was code-speak to give hope to contemporaries being oppressed by the Roman Empire, but these people think it’s prophecy that will be fulfilled at the apocalypse.
Revelation, as they read it, describes an anti-Christ figure, who is a Jewish man, who will unite the world under one government and broker peace for a short time before a period of unimaginable suffering and destruction. Conveniently, they read between the lines and have convinced themselves that “real Christians” will be swept away in the clouds and spared from all that suffering.
Jesus eventually ends up flying down on a white horse with all the real Christians and angels and skewers the anti-Christ, his followers, and non-Christians with swords that shoot out of his mouth and casts them into a bottomless pit.
I mean, it’s really wild stuff. And apparently it’s informing US policy. They want all of this to happen, but they just want to be on the “right” side of it. This pastor isn’t saying they shouldn’t try for peace - just that Christians should furrow their brows about it so God won’t leave them behind.
Yeah, but the Hebrew god can’t defeat iron chariots, so we got this. Murica.
MAGA pastors hate woke baby jesus. Also, they don’t pay taxes.
His Jesus is “Do onto others as they would do onto you, except that fucker over there. Shoot him with a howitzer.”
Damn, the person who did unto him that much pain, misery and hatred probably needs to be jailed for war crimes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armageddon
And every religious nutsack writes their own fanfiction of it, but Israel getting destroyed is usually the central part, so it kind of has to happen, or the “Second Coming of Christ” can not happen.
Book of Revelations mostly. Basically a fanfic about how Rome was going to get wiped out and Christianity would get all their swag. Jesus does not come off as a nice guy in it.
Disagree with your assessment of Jesus being all about peace stuff.
Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
-Matthew 10:34
Also fun fact, if you note every time someone has a sword than from the Baptism to the Crucifixion someone is always armed in every scene that involves more than one person.
Matthew 10:34
You misconstrue what is being said in this paragraph. He is saying to not expect the path of Jesus to be easy and conflict-free, and infact it will divide people and even cause conflicts.
It isn’t about what I say it is about how his followers understand it and have understood it. You are trying to argue that it is advocating a stance of holding on to your integrity. Fine go ahead and argue that. That isn’t how it has been understood. It has been understood that it meant you are ordered to be violent to enforce his kingdom.
You know neurology has shown that the same part of the brain that is active when asked “what do you think of x” is the same part of the brain that is active when asked “what does your god think of x”? Just a fun little fact about that explains why everyone always has the “true” understanding.
That isn’t how it has been understood. It has been understood that it meant you are ordered to be violent to enforce his kingdom.
Crusades and inquisitions, are we done yet or do you want to show me more blogs?
Jesus is whatever the fuck these cunts want him to be, period.
Supply Side Jesus strikes again.
“Angry piece of shit bastard continues to be an angry piece of shit bastard.”
Exactly, not news
Religious leader advocating for mass murder of innocent women and children so that his religion’s Armageddon can come to pass.
How is this not classified as a cult and squashed?
Also, does he really think that supporting genocide is buying him a ticket to heaven? Really?
Someone should report him to the College of Pastors and Preachers, and get them to review his license to preach.
Just kidding. There are no qualifications, and there’s no regulatory body.
Right, someone who encourages neighbors to love each other like themselves will be the anti- Christ.
I’d kind of be curious to have some prominent ‘Christians’ rewrite the New Testament without being able to look anything up.
Just WTF do they think is actually in there?
Genuinely? They believe that when peace happens there it is the final sign of the end times and the second coming is literally happening. And yes… It will be the work of the anti-christ because he is supposed to be some great world leader.
It will be the work of the anti-christ because he is supposed to be some great world leader.
Which again really isn’t in there. The figure is mostly characterized as a religious figure.
In fact, the descriptions in 2 Thess 2 pretty accurately describes Paul himself (which was effectively narcissist projection), who literally was going around telling people not to listen to other versions of Jesus from the one he was telling them about, and there’s even a decent argument the version he’s combatting in Corinth was better tied to a historical a Jesus than the canonical one.
They’ve so heavily fanfictioned their own beliefs it’s become utter nonsense even relative to the source materials.
You think he wrote 2 Thess? My understanding is that one is widely disputed. I am willing to hear you out.
I do agree, it seems like Paul was dealing with an alternative Jesus narrative, but the one I think he was fighting was a proto-gnostic one.
No, actually I think the letter referred to in 2 Thess 2:2 might be 2 Tim, which I do strongly think was written by Paul, but was the last one written, so 2 Thess may be more like a decade or two after his death.
But I also think the archetype of 2 Thess 2 is largely a tradition coming from Paul in how it mirrors his own language around being lawless (1 Cor 9:20), about using signs and wonders to convert (2 Cor 12:12), his insistences he’s not lying and the contemporary allegations he was doing evil in the name of good. 2 Thess 2 in many ways reads like Paul’s guilt or self-awareness in his actions opposing the pre-Pauline Jesus movement are being projected as a warning to his followers of what to look out for in who might come next to apply the same methods to his own tradition.
Much like how the Corinthian Creed may have in its core predated Paul, I think the warning of the lawless one that will set themselves up in the church predated the letter and reflects Paul himself.
We are in agreement that the one he was fighting was a proto-gnostic one.
But ‘proto-gnostic’ is a meaningless term invented in the last 20 years after the realization that ideas previously labeled as 2nd century Gnostic predated that and were missing key features of later beliefs.
When you dig into the proto-gnostic tradition’s development, you’ll see an influence of Epicureanism - specifically Leucretius.
For example, Leucretius described the development of life in naturalist terms as the smallest seeds scattered randomly where only what survived to reproduce multiplied. He even used the language of “seed falling by the wayside of a path” to describe failed biological reproduction. And this was all 50 years before Jesus was born in a poem very popular in the Roman empire.
You see that exact same language and concept in the sower parable.
Which is the only parable in Luke and Mark which is spoken publicly but then given a “secret explanation” to the apostles of Paul’s church in private.
Paul actually first refers to sown seeds in referring to the human body in 1 Cor 15, similar to how the sower parable is placed in the surviving proto-gnostic text right after a parable about how the human being was inevitable no matter if lion ate man or man ate lion because the human being was like a large fish selected from many small fish.
In that same part, Paul refers to a first and second Adam, which was a core belief of the later tradition surrounding that proto-gnostic text. It’s also a section that scholars have said seems to be arguing with Epicurean ideas.
It’s only in 2 Corinthians that Paul is again talking about sown seeds as being related to proselytizing efforts (similar to the “secret explanation”), after chiding the Corinthians for their beliefs in a different version of Jesus.
The proto-gnostic version was closer to representing the original ministry pre-Paul than the canonical one after.
You can even see how 2 Tim 2:18 complains about the over-realized eschatology found in proto-gnosticism and then how 2 Thess 2:2 is warning against believing in the authenticity of a letter from Paul mentioning any over-realized eschatology.
That over-realized eschatology makes a lot of sense in the context of the proto-gnostic beliefs which extended Epicurean naturalism by modifying its concepts of eternal recurrence to argue for the existence of an afterlife even if the origins of the world were naturally occurring.
But it was a death knell for the authority of a priest class and the industry of organized religion. So suddenly Paul came along falsely telling people the end was any minute, that he deserved to make a living off telling them that, and that salvation was conditional on obedience and servitude to the church as opposed to the pre-existing belief in Corinth that “everything is permissible” (a very Epicurean concept, along with things like communal eating).
There is a lot here, I think you explained to me this before your argument that the Gospel of Thomas has its roots before even Mark. I should mention that I did reread it after we spoke and am convinced. You can even see the John making him the one that physically touches Jesus to confirm it is true. You got a tradition of Thomas describing Jesus as a ghost so John comes around and makes Thomas the one who physically lays hands on him.
I am going to think about what you wrote today. I didn’t consider the angle of Paul arguing against Epicureanism.
You got a tradition of Thomas describing Jesus as a ghost so John comes around and makes Thomas the one who physically lays hands on him.
It was less the idea that Jesus was a ghost and more the idea that everyone was a non-physical spiritual being in a world that looks and feels like it is physical but it’s actually just the creator’s light in the archetype of an original physical world.
This later on becomes a Jesus-only belief (docetism), but in the Gospel of Thomas it is pretty explicit about the point being about everybody, Jesus included.
It was a clever idea in the context of Epicurean naturalism to argue against their beliefs of final death, but as soon as that disappeared from the picture with the rise of Neoplatonism the leftover ideas get weird fast.
If you are curious about more regarding the Epicurean qualities to Paul’s debate in 1 Cor 15, there’s a paper on it: Szymik, The Corinthian Opponents of the Resurrection in 1 Cor 15:12. The Epicurean Hypothesis Reconsidered (2020)
Which is weird because it’s all the same religion
Honestly, I think that’s meant to be a figure of speech.
Keep in mind that I am not religious, but I do have extensive knowledge of the bible, revelations comes of as either a fever dream or a really heated analogy.
ngl, we just threw in a couple of chapter of Narnia into this thing and called it a day… - Bible Revisionists probably
“Just say you believe that Jesus died for you and you get into heaven regardless of how you act or do”.
That’s the entire book.
B-b-but Leviticus!
He’s 83. Tick tock, motherfucker.
Even if heaven existed, he’s not going there.
Sucks that this raging asscunt won’t realize that his worldview is a fucking moronic lie that he bought.
I suspect he knows already. Hypocrisy and religion have always paired well.
When he dies, some other opportunistic bastard will step into his hate mongering shoes and continue the gift.
If Israeli invaders and Hamas terrorists murdering civilians is what Jesus would want, then I’m on the antichrist’s side.
According to every preacher on the streets, hell is where all the cool kids hang out. So come join the antichrist if you enjoy sexual liberation, witchcraft, intersectional feminism, psychedelics, or metal music! Or stay with the preachers if you support church funded child diddlers.
We also have devil’s food cake
Also apparently D&D is of the devil, so we got that too.
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Please do not give these morons any publicity.
Burying your head in the sand doesn’t stop these people from getting their message to their supporters.
Stop acting like ignoring the problem gives you some high ground over them. You need to know what they’re saying in order to counteract.
Preach 🙏
Who is John Hager, and why should anyone care?
He once said God “sent Hitler to help Jews reach the Promised Land.” https://politomix.com/democracy-now/2093531/march-israel-speaker-pastor-hagee-once-said-god-sent-hitler/
Sounds exactly like the kind of guy we shouldn’t be giving a platform
Correction he sounds like the type of guy who deserves to know the bit of a Dane Axe.
It’s disgusting how these people ride on any train to gain power and access to shit they never should. I hope some law enforcement is keeping an eye on him.
Hagee and he (at least) used to have an outsized influence over Christian thought, radio and TV.
Niche influencer, but effective.
My wife’s grandma gave us his blood moons book to read, we did and boy is it fucking insane.
Mostly he’s famous amongst MAGAs and therefore dangerous and an awful person.
Could American Evangelicals spot the Anti-Christ?
He has no idea what to look for because otherwise he would see.
Great article, hadn’t seen that one before
Is he volunteering to lead negotiations?
I think so. Or he’s volunteering to be sent over there with a rifle and a new pair of boots.
Get fukt
Wow, I did not realize this piece of shit was still alive. Unlike some of the others, I think he actually believes the bullshit he spews, and I think that might be worse.
Abrahamic religions and their followers are a cancer on humanity.
Don’t stop at Abrahamic religions. Look at all the fun people in India are having with extremist Hindus.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/14/asia/india-hindu-extremist-groups-intl-hnk-dst/index.html
Some dude called Stalin tried to abort religion and created a perfect utopia for all humans. Good thing all he had to do was ban religion and the amazing humanity would show itself.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but it’s still possible for religion to be a problem even if it’s not the only problem.
Or maybe it’s not the book that says “love thy neighbor” but rather humanity. Who knows. Let’s see how the amazing secular China is doing! Surely they without religion bring true peace everywhere!
Lmao if that’s all it said sure
Like so many other totalitarian leaders, he didn’t want divided loyalties.
I call for their abolition
Humans just suck. There’s great aspects of religion, but humans sort of ruin it.
Same as it ever was.
Hey, who’s up for some good ol-fashioned crushing of goddess religions?
Ain’t that the truth. I’m not sure there’s any group of religious humans that are a net positive.
Charlie Kirk? Is that you? Did you travel back in time so you could let your racist flag fly?
