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I don’t know what CNN did but fuck them until they allow me to see their site with my current cookie restrictions.
Fuck CNN
Archive.is might help:
https://archive.is/aAI5sThat or it traps me in captcha hell and won’t let me see anything. WTF, man?
Maybe something to do with how your network is configured? I’ve noticed that archive.is gets stuck in a captcha loop when I’m on my office network, but not at home.
it hates adblockers ironically enough.
I only get stuck in the captcha loop on my phone not on any other device myself. I’m using Firefox with a few privacy plugins and assume it’s one of those not playing nice on mobile
It’s Cloudflare’s DNS. You’re probably using it on your phone.
Ahh yeah the PiHole I have configured to use cloudflare which I only use on the phone. Ty.
Thank God I’m not the only one, I have not been able to access archive.is in a long time. I get stuck in a loop on their captcha. Disabled AdGuard, disabled Ublock, nothing.
I’ve heard there’s some kind of issue with archive.is and Cloudfare DNS, if you’re using that. Some kind of incompatibility on the archive.is end where they’re blocking requests.
It’s because you’re using Cloudflare’s DNS. Same thing happens to me. Kinda comical that person linked this site in response to a complaint about CNN’s site being inaccessible.
Yes it did, thanks. I’ve seen people use 1ft.io also
edit: lol that lady is a bitch but I’d have told the judge to just sit me for the whole sentence. Eat shit dude, I’m not working fucking fast food. Of course, I don’t treat anyone like shit no matter the occupation
Most of all, I feel bad for the fast food workers and patrons that have to deal with her during her two months.
Fuck, I hope she gets stuck on fry duty
I don’t think judges give a shit as to what the sentenced person thinks. they’d probably give you four months if you did that lol
make it 6.
I tried a scrolling screenshot but lemmy worry let me upload that
I have EasyList as well but recently added ConsentOMatic. That’s working without hiccups if you’d like to install it
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I like the judge, but 20 hours a week wouldn’t teach anyone how hard it is to work in the service industry.
will have to work there 20 hours a week
Sure it would. 20 hours all over the place makes it really hard to schedule any other jobs or whatever (which they often do on purpose specifically to make it harder for you to find something else to reduce your availability), so it’s about as accurate as you can get knowing full well in 2 months you can return to your normal life…
Seems like a typical shift for fast food workers. They don’t want them to be full-time and eligible for any kind of benefits.
The manager probably wouldn’t give her more anyways if she was a full time employee so they could avoid paying for benefits.
How will the logistics of this work? Are there fast-food restaurants that would accept a privileged Karen with anger management issues as a member of their team? After all, they have a business with tight margins to run, and this sounds like a huge liability.
Free labor, and keep her away from customers. Cleaning, prepping, whatever. If she causes problems, she violates probation and serves the rest of time in prison. Give the store an incentive to deal with her. With thin margins, I’d take those odds. Fuck threatening to fire; if you fuck up, you go back to prison. “Now clean the damn fryer’s like your freedom depended on it”
Don’t keep her from customers. Let the Karen deal with the Karens. Poetic justice.
While it is funny, I don’t think that the punishment for her in this article will really amount to much. If she had the kind of empathy necessary to relate that experience with what she put others through, she wouldn’t have done it in the first place.
Whatever customers like herself that she comes across, I think it’s a 50/50 whether she spends her time doing nothing but exacerbating problems and causing regular scenes or siding with “her people” and breaking rules, stealing, etc. out of spite.
Agree with MrShankles it has to be under threat of breaking probation to even work. Ultimately, she needs more reform than just receiving identical abuse in turn.
Lots of people only experience empathy for other people when they are directly involved or confronted with those people.
Like all those stories of homophobes who reform after learning a loved one is gay. They need their nose shoved in it before they could even picture someone elses viewpoint, but if you do that then they do empathize.
Let the Karen deal with the Karens
It’ll be like dragon ball, but with more screaming.
Prison for throwing food? Shitty behavior yes but wtf. She’s got 4 kids too.
It’s battery, and the fact that she thought it was a reasonable course of action means that she needs to be given a bit more than a slap on the wrist fine.
I know people might say anger management therapy would be better, but these types of people will never admit that they were in the wrong in the first place. They’ll twist things into a persecution complex.
Making her walk a mile in their shoes is an exceptionally good way to address this kind of behavior, and it’s an alternative to jail time.
But, it’s not like she would be given years in prison for it. It’s basically like a forced timeout. Hell, even 2 weeks in jail might be enough to change things.
She isn’t going to prison. She is getting jail time. If she were that concerned about her 4 kids, she shouldn’t go around assaulting fast food workers.
If this is how she treats people she doesn’t even know, how do you think she treats her kids?
The article says she has yet to find the job.
Good luck finding someone to hire you for only two months as punishment for abuse. I’m sure they’re scrambling for predetermined extremely short term employment from a toxic pile.
Many, many fast food restaurants are super short staffed because no one wants to do the job at the current market rate. If she actually tried she could find one in a day.
Also, fast food margins really aren’t that tight.
As long as this is only for this one case I’m ok with it, but I really don’t want to see this become a trend to force people to work for these companies who are unwilling to pay willing workers a sufficient wage.
It was an optional punishment that she chose over doing 90 days in jail. I don’t fear it becoming a trend since most people don’t assault fast food workers in the first place.
Yeah, but even as an optional punishment, and punishment for a crime shouldn’t be made to benefit corporations.
Id guess working “fast food” in the commissary
On the one hand, I like this, but on the other hand it’s bad if judges are handing out other people’s every day life as a punishment
This is meant to be rehabilitation by teaching her empathy. Jail won’t change her but this might.
Ultimately jail is meant to be rehabilitation, I see how the punishment fits much better.
But then I’m bias cuz I’m not a fan of the criminal justice system and prison industrial complex in general.
Jail is punishment only. They are cages to make people disappear while middle class white people pray to NIMBY Jesus.
Yeah, that’s the dark reality. I love NIMBY Jesus, thank you I’m adding it to my vocabulary
lol thanks, made it up the other day!
His full name is actually “supply-side NIMBY capitalist Jesus”, just so you know
Jails in the US are for punishment at best and torture at worst.
Jails in the US are for profit.
Agree and they’re a cakewalk compared to Singapore.
Not suggesting this is ok, but that Singapore sucks lol
Don’t think of it that way. You’re not saying oh this is terrible so now you have to do this. You’re saying this is a demanding job and you ought to have respect for the people who do it. Give them a little insight into the hardships of the people they’re giving shit
Perhaps we don’t call it a punishment. We can call it rehabilitation.
Sounds like indentured servitude to me.
True, but our society is generally okay with this when people break the law.
It’s called community service and if the person would rather pay a fine or go to jail they are normally allowed to pick those options.
That’s where the “except as a punishment for crime” part of the 13th Amendment kicks in.
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Some people’s everyday lives are punishment. That’s the world we’ve built.
On top of that, there are those who can’t/won’t learn empathy. The only way they can understand is by actually living through it themselves. I think sentences like this should be commonplace for anyone who commits a crime against a service worker.
If you’ve ever worked in a low paying customer service job for a prolonged amount of time, you know that IT IS a punishment.
I worked retail for 6 years. I know.
I sentence you to be surewhynotlem for a week. A punishment worse than death.
but then they rock as you and turn everything around in ways you never could.
I object. Isn’t there a rule about no cruel and unusual punishments?
This was my first thought as well. But on the other hand, I thinks it’s great if we can set aside our desire for punishment/retribution and just increase empathy. (Walk a mile in their shoes)
Maybe on their last day of service, the person they assaulted gets to throw a burrito bowl in their face. Then we get the best of both worlds.
Her poor poor coworkers
Yeah the judge should include that she will work the shift alone.
Some little leagues have a similar rule. If a parent verbally abuses an umpire enough that parent must umpire a certain number of games to see just how hard it is. Punishment fits the crime perfectly.
My kids little league tried that, lasted a game before they realized that having a biased ref that doesn’t know the rules doesn’t make for a fun experience for the kids.
One of those sounds great in theory things, which is why it’s probably such a popular fallacy to spread.
Ah that sucks. I guess I should have seen that coming. Some people just won’t learn =/ I wish there was a better way to prevent these parents from ruining the game for everyone.
Kick them out, and if it becomes an issue unfortunately the kid may need to go to so everyone else’s experience isn’t diminished.
Hopefully the parent learns after spending money on a few.
I think they should do it with a less decision maker position, like water bringer or towel handler.
Everyone should be forced to work a service industry job for at least six months when they’re teenagers. It helps you develop a healthy misanthropy
Absolutely my first job was fast food, and I had no clue the level of entitlement of some people. Some people treat fast food employees like they’re not even people.
That sounds like a way for service industries to exploit their workforce even more; if people have to work them, then competition for those jobs would rise, especially during non school hours. Plus, if school is any indication, kids would put it basically no effort if they have to work there and cant just be fired (and if they can, what happens if they are and therefore cannot complete the six months?). I dont think itd really reduce the entitlement either, itd just become “Ive done my service work so I’m entitled to act however I want, kid!” from those kinds of customers anyway.
I’ve always said that if I were elected president, I would institute mandatory retail service instead of mandatory military service. Doesn’t matter if you’re a kid in high school or a ceo making seven figures, everybody has to do their time at some point. Either it would cause world peace or nuclear armageddon, and either one would probably be an improvement.
I’ve said this, except you have a choice:
You can do retail, hospitality, or health services (eg cleaning hospitals, very basic patient support, anything that requires minimal training and won’t do harm to any patient in their care).
I am a Service rep and my mum was a nurse, so we’ve both seen a lot of the worst of humanity. I think people need to extend more empathy to nurses and other medical staff - I understand for many patients, it’s a horrible, scary situation, but these people are (generally) there to help and have to deal with a lot of awful stuff every single day.
More patience and empathy in general would make for a much better society.
Damn right. I worked at a fish market for over a decade and there’s a reason that jobs like active duty military and bomb defusal rank below all three of those jobs you listed on the scale of most stressful jobs. People are assholes day in and day out to these kinds of people who literally keep our society running and keep us alive.
Any time I’ve been in the hospital, my motto has always been “If crying, screaming, and pissing myself will help, let me know and I’ll be the first to do so. But until then, it sounds like a whole lot of effort to make everybody’s day worse.”
I’d add tech support to that list. Cut my teeth there fresh out of school and it really taught me empathy towards service workers of all types. The crazy bullshit that people threw at me due to being stressed and irritated that their stuff isn’t working was very eye-opening.
Yep. Basically any position where you’re in some sort of service to the community.
It really gives you perspective.
Also PTSD.
I get my misanthropy outlook from having a horrible childhood and teenage years. I’d hope I would’ve been exempt when I was a teen.
This is The Way.
That honestly wouldn’t even be too hard to implement, just roll it out as a mandatory credit for HS graduation and done lmao
That would be a hail corporate law
Her attorney, Joseph O’Malley, said his client had no criminal record before the incident and that she is truly sorry for her actions that day.
“Let’s give her the opportunity to not let this one day define the rest of her life,” he told CNN.
Righhhht. No way she always treat fast food (and other services industry) employees that way, and this is just the first time it escalated to court.
She’s likely a cunt, but why ruin people’s futures when you can have teachable moments, this sentencing is brilliant and should have been a bit longer.
And let’s not forget she’s also spending a month in jail before being released to work fast food.
What she did was horrible, but she’s definitely not getting off free.
The amount of people I know who have worked, or currently work, retail and food service yet still treat workers like shit is an indication to me that some people just don’t have a natural capacity for empathy and this sort of teaching moment will not work on them.
I mean, fuck it, give em the chance. 🤷
Then we have the justification to throw the book at them like they throw food at workers.
I thought we had laws against cruel and unusual punishment.
It’s an opt-in arrangement.
This is part of a plea bargain. She had a choice of three months in jail or one month in jail and two months working a fast food job. She had a choice between a “normal” three month sentence or this “unusual” sentence.
One could make the argument that working fast food is less cruel than spending 3 months in Jail. If you claim that fast food is worse then she kind of deserves to make that realization herself.
And yet we allow Chipotle to treat its workers like that anyway.
Everyone should have at least one bad service job once in their life.
Ive been thinking about jobs everyone should have at least for a week.
For sure, everyone should be a server.
So far, my list also includes a cashier, a janitor, a teacher for a rowdy class, a bus driver, and a old person caretaker.
now that’s justice
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Gilligan told CNN he’s not sure Hayne is as sorry as she claimed to be in court, pointing out that she was still complaining about the food during the hearing.
“She still has not picked up that this is not appropriate,” Gilligan told CNN Wednesday.
“You didn’t get your burrito bowl the way you like it, and this is how you respond?” he told Hayne during the hearing. He suggested she’s not going to be happy with the food she’s about to get in jail.
I like this judge.
Gilligan told CNN he thought about the possible unusual sentence a couple of days before the November hearing.
“Every time you watch the video, it makes you more and more upset,” he said. “I was thinking, ‘What else can I do rather than just have her sit in jail.’”
I didn’t know judges could do this. This seems amazing and I love it.
Me neither, this should be a standard punishment for abusing food workers.
I love the comment from Chipotle about justice being served.
Justice is a dish best served… with a side of chips and our famous guacamole, and a 20oz fountain drink!
Justice is extra, is that okay?
Sorry, we don’t have justice. Is vengeance okay?
Brought to you by Carl’s Jr. Fuck you!
The length of time is good, too. It takes you about a month to get competent, and another month to realize that no, it doesn’t matter how good you get. The job sucks regardless.
I hope they put her on register so she gets lots of face time with lovely customers like herself. No fair if she hides in back making guacamole all day!
Good sentencing by the judge and screw the woman who threw the food, but I find it a bit silly to go to therapy for “trauma” caused by having food thrown in your face. If she was burned that’s a different story, but I would assume the article would mention it if that were the case.
It could be the verbal abuse or the situation as a whole. Idk, everyone is different.
Right but the world is cruel, everyone you know will die and then you will too. You’ll probably shit yourself on the way out.
A burrito in the face (sans burns) is literally nothing.
No, a burrito to the face is physical abuse. Being verbally and physically abused every day of your job is not how jobs are supposed to work, and viewing things like that as silly small things to be affected by is itself pretty damaging.
If I lean across the counter and punch you in the head, you’re allowed to have some kind of feeling about that. Especially in a setting that heavily discourages and may even punish defending yourself, the way retail often does.
Convincing yourself it’s fine because the world is cruel keeps the world cruel. More importantly, it keeps you from considering you deserve anything other than cruelty. We need to care about each other.
It isn’t fine, your employer and your life should reflect that, but therapy for food in the face is weakness.
Totally aware the crowd here is all “self care, labels, wellness” and I’ll burn for this idea, but if we’re so broken that food to the face is needing another human to talk you through it for 60+ minutes then we are toast.
Good game.
The employer should pay, the criminal should pay. That should cover you.
Never worked in those type of environment huh? Those kinds of work wear you down little every shift, and shit like this mess with you.
Retail for 5, construction for 5. Truly, life is bigger than this. Fire service after that.
Again if you need another person to talk you through the situation of someone throwing food at you, to convince you you did nothing wrong, that the thrower is wrong, that their action is the wrong one, then you are weak.
I’m not saying you don’t deserve compensation or that you should just “take it”.
In my experience, the weakest people are the ones who don’t fix their issues, especially internal ones.
but therapy for food in the face is weakness.
Ok. Weak people exist. Hell, we all have some weaknesses. Is acknowledging them and working to improve not the right thing to do?
have you heard of the phrase ‘the straw that broke the camels back’?
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You got one thing right, you do need the therapist
For what?
I didn’t experience a situation beyond singular reason
In this case the situation was simple enough for anyone to understand. (burrito to the face, the person was rude, wrong, and reaponsible. I did nothing wrong. done)
Unless you think your stunted emotional capacity is a medical issue? But Im pretty sure the therapist is gonna need to take this one
Quantum immortality or biological immortality. Hell, basic empathy.
Burrempathy? How’s the dish doing
One-time verbal abuse from a stranger is not traumatizing, and neither is thrown food.
Were you there to witness the situation? Do you know exactly what happened and when?
Nope, but any one-time interaction with a stranger that doesn’t result in injury is not traumatizing for the vast majority of people. If it is, that just indicates they should have been in therapy already.
My point is you can’t judge the people involved without knowing the people involved, or at least what happened. It’s kinda unreasonable to assume that everyone involved is perfectly average because a significant chunk of the population isn’t part of “the vast majority.”
Trauma isn’t just for life threatening stuff, it’s essentially like having an event or series of events cause a switch to be installed in your brain which activates a feeling or a negative thought process you don’t really control. In a life threatening situation that feeling might be an overwhelming sense of danger and fear for your life or mistrust of people. If it’s loss related it is crushing reminders of your loss and how your life has changed.
In this instance I would imagine it is something more like : the uninteruptable thought process that other people don’t see you as fully human and that you are not a being worthy of basic respect and that something about you in particular invites abuse.
Something like that could be triggered just by showing up to your job and interrupting that thought process takes a lot of work because with trauma it’s basically instant. Working to disassociate the trigger from the feeling while still having to work to support yourself in jobs that reinforce that feeling would be hell. A lot of people who are living paycheck to paycheck are really harmed by just losing a few hours of work so even taking the time to leave and find a new job could create outsized financial issues.
This is actually very fitting
