My “favorite” lecture from young people is the one in which they berate me for “stealing content” by not watching ads on YouTube.
I have a vivid memory of YouTube being a platform where normal people could share videos of their kids and pets or other fun random low quality but entertaining things
I don’t understand why they think we care if we’re stealing content regardless. I pirate movies and TV shows, but they don’t whine about that, in fact, most will approve of it. Why draw the line at YouTubers?
They often say that we’re screwing the person who runs the channel. In reality, I’m willing to bet my left nutsack that they make a fuckton more from the occasional donations than from ads, once Google, MCNs, and the government take their share.
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YouTube has increased the amount of ads that used to be standard by about 1000%. You used to get about 22-26 minutes of actual content per 30 minutes of viewing. On YouTube it’s about 2 minutes of advertising per 0.5-3 minutes of viewing. The majority of the things I watch on YouTube are short 30 second videos to see specific things, but Google seems to think it’s okay to show me 2-3 minute long commercials before letting me see the 30 second blurb telling me the foot pounds per square inch I need to apply to my brake calipers before I can finish my brake change job. This is even more annoying now that Google doesn’t surface this type of information on regular websites, where I can just quickly read the spec.
It feels like YouTube has become the new Hollywood with production companies and YouTubers becoming celebrities and whatnot. Such a far cry from it’s beginnings as a place where people would upload random family videos that nobody watched.
The family members watched them, which was good enough for the person uploading it. Not everything needs to be about money and exposure. Ugghh! K.k kill me.
I have an honest question and I feel like Lemmy is a good place to have a real discussion on this. To preface this, I use adblock too so I’m kinda calling myself a hypocrite with this question :P
Why do we expect any free service not to have ads? If a paid service like Netflix introduced ads I’d be pissed, and same goes for cable TV these days. But why would something free like Youtube not have ads? How can we be bothered by ads on a service we’re getting for free?
Someone help me reconcile this for my own well-being haha.
Why do we expect any free service not to have ads?
Youtube has the right to serve ads along with the content, but it does not have the right to dictate what I can or can’t do with the data once it hits my machine. It has no more right to hijack my property to force them upon me than it does to strap me to a chair and force my eyes open, A Clockwork Orange style.
If Youtube doesn’t like that arrangement, its recourse is to serve a 403: forbidden instead of the video data.
Is is like muting during a commercial break, or going out of the room to do something else. What happens in my home, is under my control. You want to stop me from doing that? Refuse to serve me content. I’m fine with that
It’s like flipping over the ad pages in a magazine. It’s like taking the advertisement brochures out of a newspaper and throwing them into the trash. It’s like leaving the room during halftime break. It’s like taping a show without the commercial breaks. It’s like walking past a poster without reading it. It’s like getting your letters from the mailbox and throwing away the advertising mailers. It’s like going to the cinema and talking during the ads that are playing before the movie. It’s like walking down the sidewalk and ignoring the people trying to sell you merchandise. It’s like switching channels when commercials come on.
But for some reason, people are trying to tell me that I’m ethically and morally in the wrong for blocking fucking YouTube ads.
Ads arent inherently the problem. The problem is that the user experience often gets ruined because, for example, on certain news sites every paragraph of text you read, you get a full page ad. Imo when its like this its fully acceptable to not let them have limited revenue from you.
You’re asking someone who’d spent a good chunk of my life creating Skyrim mods for free and volunteering for services in my community with no recompense or desire for money how I expect people to contribute things they presumably enjoy without getting paid? To be clear, you’re asking me this from a server on a federated platform that is held together with community love and free-will donations?
I know we’ve been conditioned by capitalism to reduce everything to its monetary worth, but I feel like we should know better here.
Fair point, but the instance I use doesn’t allow image uploads because of the disk space issue. Videos take way more space than that. And, of course, you can’t just slap in a single drive, you need RAID or something so when a drive fails, you don’t lose stuff.
Add in bandwidth concerns, and it’s a legitimate question. Hosting a general video site can’t be cheap, and people generally won’t pay for it.
If we did want a community run video hosting site ala Lemmy, how would that work? What would it cost the hosters?
Idk I don’t really care that much about video content, so I’ll leave that up to someone else to parse. If someone provides an entirely free, ad-free way to share videos, then great. If not, then oh well.
To add on to what the others have said, there should always be competition between free and paid services. Free services should provide only what they are capable of with the limitations they operate under due to a donation model, while paid services can use all the advantages they can get with advertising, big budgets for hosting, etc. Free and open-source often still won under these conditions. Think Encarta against Wikipedia. If paid wins, that’s fine, people can still have a reasonably good alternative with the free option.
The problem arises when a corporation builds on the back of a free resource, and then starts charging users once the network effects kick in. With YouTube, Google was able to leaverage 20 years worth of videos that people lovingly uploaded (although 10 of those years were in the post-ad plagued world) and then start forcing people to bend to their monetization rules. Most of those people didn’t upload to YouTube because they wanted to make money off their videos, they just wanted to share a funny video. If given the choice, they would have chosen free instead of ad-driven. We have no choice since all that content is now locked behind YouTube’s ad walls.
The ads themselves are not a problem. The problems are
It can be security risk. Even Google has ads that redirect to malicious domain
Ads that are getting in the way of accessing information. That includes popups, automatically playing videos etc. Hell, one of the major reason why I started using adblock was to block those annoying flash banners.
The frequency is just way too much. This leave no money on table mentality makes me not give a shit.
Not really going to get into it with you, because you clearly have your mind made up, but you pretty much nailed why at the end.
I have a vivid memory of YouTube being a platform where normal people could share videos of their kids and pets or other fun random low quality but entertaining things
People spend a lot of time and money making videos these days. They aren’t just random low quality things. They have teams of sometimes hundreds, use cameras worth half a million dollars, and may take a week or month to record said video while paying those hundreds of employees.
Again, not going to change your mind, Lemmy is very open about not giving a shit about others when it comes to money, but it’s not 2006 anymore, and people need to make their money back AND pay their employees.
Personally I’m fine watching a few ads to support the content I clearly want to watch. Seems weird you’d be interested enough in what someone has to show you, but refuse to help them in any way, but whatever.
Remember guys, don’t forget to hit the downvote button if you haven’t already. How dare I say anything positive that isn’t just “fuck ads, fuck YouTube, fuck everyone!”
Lemmy losers click downvote the millisecond anyone says something positive about anything non-FOSS, or a bigger corporation. You already clicked that button, just like you’ve already downvoted this one.
I wonder how many hours of your life you’ve freely given to the corpos making billions in profit, just freely throwing it at them like it’s not your most important personal resource.
Tell me how to filter all that highly polished crap from my feed and searches, because I don’t want it. I hate all that shit being shoved at me. If I wanted to watch someone spouting bad takes with a highly polished commercial-friendly veneer, I’d watch cable. I hate all those monetized channels, and they can all go under for all I care, along with that entire hellsite. Then more people would support actually good non-monetized projects like peertube.
Even if what I’m doing is stealing, it’s a good thing. Can’t wait for YouTube’s demise. It’s not a fun site to use anymore because all the good non-monetized content gets buried in favor of these soul-sucking assholes.
I don’t even click people’s links anymore, because it’s always some rich bearded white male with the most painful content.
If they use all that stuff to shoot the video, it means they already made it or they spent money they shouldn’t have.
I didn’t mind getting a handful of ads an hour, i do mind that i now get like 20 minutes to watch some youtube because adulting sucks and Youtube is like: swallow these 7 ads bitch, guess what bitch we forgot we showed you 7 have some more cunt and now my 20 minutes is fucked, so i say: time for Youtube to get bent.
If what i hear is right, they are and have been operating in the red for a long time. Half of their creators are better business people than they are.
If you feel that way, you should really be paying for YouTube premium, since that actually gives more money to the creators you watch than ads would. That’s the one thing that sold me on it.
I agree with your thought process but supporting YouTube by paying for it after they intentionally enshitified it to the point where you want to is the entire problem.
Use an adblocker and donate directly to creators. If someone needs to steal my time to afford to run their business, then they can’t afford to run their business.
Again, it’s about supporting the creators without the absurdly high cost of several dozen Patreon subs, not about avoiding the ads. If I could pay $15/mo to Patreon and have it distribute a portion of that to 60 different people based upon how much of their content I viewed that month, that’d certainly be the way to go.
You don’t have to support every creator. If they’re making money they’re fine, if their financial position is greater than yours, they don’t need your financial support.
Now it’s so commercialized that I’m not posting anything on YouTube anymore, simply because I know that I’m going to get so many emails about how my video of me building a Lego set or whatever, violated some new social taboo that was invented 5 minutes ago, and how they are going to send the YouTube police after me to send me to the shadow Realm
Really? I still randomly upload videos of me gaming, sometimes with background music, but no titles or voice-overs and I never get any comments or emails. I must not be offending people correctly.
I have a vivid memory of YouTube being a platform where normal people could share videos of their kids and pets or other fun random low quality but entertaining things
this is now TikTok. YouTube hasn’t been that platform for a long time, since at least Vine.
No website can make me give half a shit what they do for money. Is it free? Then I’m taking it. I will not render your pages exactly as you expect. I will not load all content just because you want me to. Suck a dick if you don’t like me being there. You can rate-limit me… or you can try. But I’m not playing games and I’m not suffering corporate propaganda.
My “favorite” lecture from young people is the one in which they berate me for “stealing content” by not watching ads on YouTube.
I have a vivid memory of YouTube being a platform where normal people could share videos of their kids and pets or other fun random low quality but entertaining things
I don’t understand why they think we care if we’re stealing content regardless. I pirate movies and TV shows, but they don’t whine about that, in fact, most will approve of it. Why draw the line at YouTubers?
They often say that we’re screwing the person who runs the channel. In reality, I’m willing to bet my left nutsack that they make a fuckton more from the occasional donations than from ads, once Google, MCNs, and the government take their share.
Pretty sure most YouTubers and streamers will tell you exactly that. Sponsorships and brand deals make them way way more
One of my random channels I watch straight up tells people to use adblocks and don’t give YouTube a cent.
Patreon and merch sales are also make them money.
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How many nutsacks do you have? I keep all of mine in one.
As many as I need for redundancy.
I have a small channel (5k) and YouTube ads make about 40% of what I earn.
You’d make more with Pateron
Yes, just a little. My patreon is the other 60%. But don’t discount the first 40%.
You’d make even more if you’d switch to Ko-Fi as they only take a flat fee per month
Because they think that they’ll be YouTube superstars one day, and we’re stopping them
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Temporarily embarrassed millionaires
YouTube has increased the amount of ads that used to be standard by about 1000%. You used to get about 22-26 minutes of actual content per 30 minutes of viewing. On YouTube it’s about 2 minutes of advertising per 0.5-3 minutes of viewing. The majority of the things I watch on YouTube are short 30 second videos to see specific things, but Google seems to think it’s okay to show me 2-3 minute long commercials before letting me see the 30 second blurb telling me the foot pounds per square inch I need to apply to my brake calipers before I can finish my brake change job. This is even more annoying now that Google doesn’t surface this type of information on regular websites, where I can just quickly read the spec.
TLDR: fuck Google and fuck ads
Google thought process includes how many page views you will go thru before showing you the page with the answer.
It feels like YouTube has become the new Hollywood with production companies and YouTubers becoming celebrities and whatnot. Such a far cry from it’s beginnings as a place where people would upload random family videos that nobody watched.
Literally the first video posted was one of the creators in a selfie video at the zoo. That’s the YouTube I want back. That’s what it was meant to be.
here it is
really funny to me that it’s now been split into parts on the scroll bar
The family members watched them, which was good enough for the person uploading it. Not everything needs to be about money and exposure. Ugghh! K.k kill me.
Nobody’s forcing people to give them money. Blame the sheep, not the shepard.
I have an honest question and I feel like Lemmy is a good place to have a real discussion on this. To preface this, I use adblock too so I’m kinda calling myself a hypocrite with this question :P
Why do we expect any free service not to have ads? If a paid service like Netflix introduced ads I’d be pissed, and same goes for cable TV these days. But why would something free like Youtube not have ads? How can we be bothered by ads on a service we’re getting for free?
Someone help me reconcile this for my own well-being haha.
Youtube has the right to serve ads along with the content, but it does not have the right to dictate what I can or can’t do with the data once it hits my machine. It has no more right to hijack my property to force them upon me than it does to strap me to a chair and force my eyes open, A Clockwork Orange style.
If Youtube doesn’t like that arrangement, its recourse is to serve a
403: forbiddeninstead of the video data.There’s also a deeper discussion to be had whether corporations have any sort of right to exist in their current form in the first place, but I’ll leave that for another time.
Is is like muting during a commercial break, or going out of the room to do something else. What happens in my home, is under my control. You want to stop me from doing that? Refuse to serve me content. I’m fine with that
It’s like flipping over the ad pages in a magazine. It’s like taking the advertisement brochures out of a newspaper and throwing them into the trash. It’s like leaving the room during halftime break. It’s like taping a show without the commercial breaks. It’s like walking past a poster without reading it. It’s like getting your letters from the mailbox and throwing away the advertising mailers. It’s like going to the cinema and talking during the ads that are playing before the movie. It’s like walking down the sidewalk and ignoring the people trying to sell you merchandise. It’s like switching channels when commercials come on.
But for some reason, people are trying to tell me that I’m ethically and morally in the wrong for blocking fucking YouTube ads.
Well said. I’ll remember this point next time blocking YouTube ads comes up in discussion.
Ads arent inherently the problem. The problem is that the user experience often gets ruined because, for example, on certain news sites every paragraph of text you read, you get a full page ad. Imo when its like this its fully acceptable to not let them have limited revenue from you.
You’re asking someone who’d spent a good chunk of my life creating Skyrim mods for free and volunteering for services in my community with no recompense or desire for money how I expect people to contribute things they presumably enjoy without getting paid? To be clear, you’re asking me this from a server on a federated platform that is held together with community love and free-will donations?
I know we’ve been conditioned by capitalism to reduce everything to its monetary worth, but I feel like we should know better here.
Fair point, but the instance I use doesn’t allow image uploads because of the disk space issue. Videos take way more space than that. And, of course, you can’t just slap in a single drive, you need RAID or something so when a drive fails, you don’t lose stuff.
Add in bandwidth concerns, and it’s a legitimate question. Hosting a general video site can’t be cheap, and people generally won’t pay for it.
If we did want a community run video hosting site ala Lemmy, how would that work? What would it cost the hosters?
That’s PeerTube. Idk what it’s costing the hosts exactly, but my server is apparently bringing in enough in donations to be viable.
Idk I don’t really care that much about video content, so I’ll leave that up to someone else to parse. If someone provides an entirely free, ad-free way to share videos, then great. If not, then oh well.
To add on to what the others have said, there should always be competition between free and paid services. Free services should provide only what they are capable of with the limitations they operate under due to a donation model, while paid services can use all the advantages they can get with advertising, big budgets for hosting, etc. Free and open-source often still won under these conditions. Think Encarta against Wikipedia. If paid wins, that’s fine, people can still have a reasonably good alternative with the free option.
The problem arises when a corporation builds on the back of a free resource, and then starts charging users once the network effects kick in. With YouTube, Google was able to leaverage 20 years worth of videos that people lovingly uploaded (although 10 of those years were in the post-ad plagued world) and then start forcing people to bend to their monetization rules. Most of those people didn’t upload to YouTube because they wanted to make money off their videos, they just wanted to share a funny video. If given the choice, they would have chosen free instead of ad-driven. We have no choice since all that content is now locked behind YouTube’s ad walls.
The ads themselves are not a problem. The problems are
Not really going to get into it with you, because you clearly have your mind made up, but you pretty much nailed why at the end.
People spend a lot of time and money making videos these days. They aren’t just random low quality things. They have teams of sometimes hundreds, use cameras worth half a million dollars, and may take a week or month to record said video while paying those hundreds of employees.
Again, not going to change your mind, Lemmy is very open about not giving a shit about others when it comes to money, but it’s not 2006 anymore, and people need to make their money back AND pay their employees.
Personally I’m fine watching a few ads to support the content I clearly want to watch. Seems weird you’d be interested enough in what someone has to show you, but refuse to help them in any way, but whatever.
Remember guys, don’t forget to hit the downvote button if you haven’t already. How dare I say anything positive that isn’t just “fuck ads, fuck YouTube, fuck everyone!”
Shit, thank you for the reminder at the end.
Don’t worry, you didn’t need it.
Lemmy losers click downvote the millisecond anyone says something positive about anything non-FOSS, or a bigger corporation. You already clicked that button, just like you’ve already downvoted this one.
Not me though. Lemmy.one disables downvotes, so your comments look upvoted to me.
But yeah, fuck corporations, I’m onboard with that.
that’s very much a “them” problem. if i don’t want to watch ads, you won’t guilt me into it.
Ok, poor boy.
send me money and i won’t be poor. maybe i’ll be rich enough to watch an ad.
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You read their comments. You should pay them for the content they produced.
I wonder how many hours of your life you’ve freely given to the corpos making billions in profit, just freely throwing it at them like it’s not your most important personal resource.
Keep licking that boot.
Tell me how to filter all that highly polished crap from my feed and searches, because I don’t want it. I hate all that shit being shoved at me. If I wanted to watch someone spouting bad takes with a highly polished commercial-friendly veneer, I’d watch cable. I hate all those monetized channels, and they can all go under for all I care, along with that entire hellsite. Then more people would support actually good non-monetized projects like peertube.
Even if what I’m doing is stealing, it’s a good thing. Can’t wait for YouTube’s demise. It’s not a fun site to use anymore because all the good non-monetized content gets buried in favor of these soul-sucking assholes.
I don’t even click people’s links anymore, because it’s always some rich bearded white male with the most painful content.
If they use all that stuff to shoot the video, it means they already made it or they spent money they shouldn’t have.
I didn’t mind getting a handful of ads an hour, i do mind that i now get like 20 minutes to watch some youtube because adulting sucks and Youtube is like: swallow these 7 ads bitch, guess what bitch we forgot we showed you 7 have some more cunt and now my 20 minutes is fucked, so i say: time for Youtube to get bent.
If what i hear is right, they are and have been operating in the red for a long time. Half of their creators are better business people than they are.
Pretty clear you’ve never owned a business. You have to invest money to start it.
But you have to invest within your budget broski.
Do you have a problem with people skipping ads or blocking ads?
If you feel that way, you should really be paying for YouTube premium, since that actually gives more money to the creators you watch than ads would. That’s the one thing that sold me on it.
I agree with your thought process but supporting YouTube by paying for it after they intentionally enshitified it to the point where you want to is the entire problem.
Use an adblocker and donate directly to creators. If someone needs to steal my time to afford to run their business, then they can’t afford to run their business.
Again, it’s about supporting the creators without the absurdly high cost of several dozen Patreon subs, not about avoiding the ads. If I could pay $15/mo to Patreon and have it distribute a portion of that to 60 different people based upon how much of their content I viewed that month, that’d certainly be the way to go.
You don’t have to support every creator. If they’re making money they’re fine, if their financial position is greater than yours, they don’t need your financial support.
Now it’s so commercialized that I’m not posting anything on YouTube anymore, simply because I know that I’m going to get so many emails about how my video of me building a Lego set or whatever, violated some new social taboo that was invented 5 minutes ago, and how they are going to send the YouTube police after me to send me to the shadow Realm
I would like to watch this video of you building a Lego set
Me too, sounds relaxing! Maybe set to some chill music?
Really? I still randomly upload videos of me gaming, sometimes with background music, but no titles or voice-overs and I never get any comments or emails. I must not be offending people correctly.
Never understood that idea of thought. I decide what happens in my machine and my browser
Lol, I’ve got a friend that likes to tell me how his YouTube Red subscription pays for his favorite streamers’ bills.
Like… Just give those people the money directly. Why pay Google the lions share? I guess some people just enjoy the taste of boot. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Remember when people just uploaded videos to YouTube for fun instead of money?
I miss that time so much. I feel like Tik Tok wouldn’t have become so popular if YouTube hadn’t become the monetized abomination it is now.
this is now TikTok. YouTube hasn’t been that platform for a long time, since at least Vine.
I’m not sure what those two paragraphs have to do with each other.
Skill issue
I’ve adopted a razor:
I don’t care about your business model.
No website can make me give half a shit what they do for money. Is it free? Then I’m taking it. I will not render your pages exactly as you expect. I will not load all content just because you want me to. Suck a dick if you don’t like me being there. You can rate-limit me… or you can try. But I’m not playing games and I’m not suffering corporate propaganda.