This is probably the thing people understand the least about the left lane, and I bet this guy is one of em.
It doesn’t matter what speed you are passing, as long as you are passing (and of course if you are barely passing youre a dick).
But not because im passing 10km/h faster and you want to pass 30km/h faster, that I need to move out of the way. Flashing your lights and putting your blinker only makes me want to pass slower. The left lane is not reserved for the fastest driver on the road.
Yes, passing lane – not fast lane.
Faster lane?
My dude that’s just a picture of the means of production being seized.
I agree as long as the slower driver was already in the process of passing. Cutting off the approaching faster driver is unsafe.
Yeah this makes sense. My comment only refers to already in the lane and passing, and some donkey wants to pass faster and won’t wait 4 seconds until you’re done passing (at a good speed)
One way to earn yourself a premium insurance rate, if you survive. 🤞🏽
If someone starts aggressively flashing their lights behind me I like to assume they are trying to alert me that I’m driving too fast and should slow down immediately lol
I assume they’re having an emergency. Or they’re a raging asshole. In either case it’s not a great idea to play games with them. If you ever fuck around and find out I hope you’ll come tell us about it so I can gloat.
So you feel that it would be better for me to either increase to an unsafe speed or force my way back into the slower traffic that I was trying to pass in the first place?
You’re driving at the bleeding edge of what you consider safe, couldn’t possibly pick it up a bit to get by and move over? You’re doing that and have the audacity to judge other drivers? Get the fuck off the road entirely, sell your car, stay indoors.
Ah, so your answer is “why don’t you just do what I tell you?” and beyond that you immediately resort to hurling insults? This is all starting to make a lot of sense now…
You’re claiming to be driving so fast that any increase in speed would make an unsafe situation. Your reading comprehension is so poor that you take offense at non-existent insults. Yeah, you shouldn’t be driving at all.
I was just about to type out another argument, but I realized it’s pointless. You clearly will not be happy with any answer other than “everyone should just let you drive however you want to” with a healthy dose of “the rules only apply to everyone else”…
You have fun with that buddy
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Well there is this thing called a speed limit, that is a very clear hard limit. If you go over, it is at the very least financially unsafe.
There’s also a law that says to yield to overtaking traffic. Where’s the law that says creating a rolling road block is OK? How did I miss the legislation that deputized every self righteous prick as some kind of speed limit enforcer?
I sometimes wonder who died and made them all highway patrol. I just want to get home safe, can people just not fucking ego trip behind the wheel of the 2 ton deathmobile?
Frankly it’s harder than you think for many, the only thing that calms me down and makes me drive absolutely great is weed but I hesitate to drive mildly high too often to not get caught randomly by some pig.
Also it seems like the more time I am driving the more bmw drivers and bmw drivers without bmw piss me off.
makes me drive absolutely great is weed
Hi, I’m an enthusiast.
Fuck you for smoking and driving.
You cannot justify it to me no matter how many times you rephrase “it helps me chill Bro”
It helps me chill bro
What do you mean you are an enthusiast though. Are you my fan? Please tell me you are my fan it would be so cool
Holy shit please do not smoke and drive.
Can’t give any promises 😈
Well you just promised us you’re a piece of shit, so … seems you can
Yes, you can. Please do the responsible thing.
Funny thing about irrational people? Even if you act as safe as you can, they’ll find some way to blame you for being their problem.
Tolerance of intolerance is not tolerance. It’s enablement. Sure, don’t be a petty dick and make the situation worse… but don’t necessarily act the doormat either.
Remember that reddit story about blocking a shoulder passer? (SafeReddit)
I’ve got a similar story, but with a much more positive ending.
Was at a LARP event, camping in the woods, when a girl started having an asthma attack. She’d forgotten her inhaler, no one else had one on hand, and she was visibly turning blue as she suffocated. We called 911, but the nearest hospital was in a city several miles away and the 911 operator couldn’t locate our site to send the ambulance.
We agreed to meet the ambulance on the highway halfway, loaded up in my truck, and I booked it. Pushed my little 4-cylinder Frontier up to 115mph. Fastest I’ve ever driven. I had my hazards going and was flashing my brights like an asshole at every car I overtook. Thank fuck they all yielded to me.
We met the ambulance on the side of the road, transferred her over, and they were able to get her breathing again. She survived.
OMG!
You saved a life ❤️ great collab
Yeah, and never proven to be true.
Sounded a little suspicious on a second read!
I take it to mean that they want me to match the speed of the car beside me.
I usually just get out of the way no matter how fast I’m going. No need to create road rage based on my ego and the asshole flashing me
Don’t most highways have signs that say “Slower Traffic Keep Right” though? So that pretty much negates your argument. If you are slower than the traffic behind you, you should get into the right lane, until you’re no longer slower, then get back into the left if you need to continue passing.
I woukd take that to mean if you are faster than the car in the other lane then you are good up until that’s no longer the case (e.g. until you have passed them).
From the comment you replied to:
as long as you are passing
If you’re not passing, get over. If you are passing, getting over means merging into another vehicle: don’t do that.
Found one who doesn’t get it! Please turn in your license and save lives!
Decided you weren’t worth it.
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Passing a car is an active endeavor, not something you languidly perform over a period of 5 minutes. If you’re going 1 mph faster than the car in the right lane, you don’t belong in the passing lane and are impeding the flow of traffic.
Cool story bro.
I literally said that in my original comment. Passing slow is just being a dick. (barely passing are the words I used).
Then i used the examples of 10km/h vs 30. Where did you get that 1mph is acceptable?
I suppose I would personally also be on my horn in an emergency but this attitude is why America can’t have nice things. stop policing your fellow slaves and get out of the fucking way.
of course I live in a civilized country so America might just look bad because that’s all that gets posted and most people aren’t attempting to murder motorcycle riders for winning the rat race or shooting up schools.
Kinda lost me there, NGL. 😅 Still, I learned to drive in Detroit & Chicago, and then again in Germany & Italy. The vast majority of US drivers are fucking selfish morons, and the majority of them should not have any license to drive at all. 🙇🏽♂️
I try to drive so I am as far away from other vehicles as possible. I also try to avoid ever inconveniencing other people. It doesn’t matter if I’m going 140, if you come up behind me, I’m moving over to let you by - as quickly as I can while still being safe. I expect the same from others. Changing lanes isn’t hard, I often move over to let someone by and then go back to continue passing.
Also, please stop passing on the right. You’re just making everything worse.
140
You mean km/hr, right?
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Km/hr, right?
Meters per second
I did 140mph once. I redlined my poor Civic trying to keep up with a Supra. We were both weaving through traffic (Vegas to L.A.) and I did manage to keep up for a while. Looking back now that I’m older, I’m just really thankful we didn’t cause an accident.
I have no choice but to pass on the right because jackasses ride the left lane and drive under the speed limit. The police around here don’t enforce it. Drives me nuts.
Also, please stop passing on the right. You’re just making everything worse.
Yeah, it’s unsafe, but how is it making things worse? It seems to be making the best of a bad situation, not escalating anything.
The real solution here is to pass and enforce “stay right except to pass” laws. You should only pass on the left, full stop.
Because a good chunk of time your just making it harder for the person who is holding everyone up to move over. I’ve seen lots of people pull out from behind me in the fast lane and go past me and the car in front of me, and then the car in front will move over. Sometimes people do want to get out of the way but people are to impatient to let them.
I’ll give them about 30 seconds. Which is 25 seconds longer than it takes to get in the slow lane.
What the fuck? How is doing something unsafe not making things worse?
In Arizona the norm seemed to be to pass fast on the right and go slow on the left. Even on a three lane road, with me going slightly above the speed limit in the middle, idiots would choose to pass on the right rather than use the open left lane. Definitely the worst part about the state in terms of daily experience
I drive like a German: I only go on the left lane of a highway if I am passing someone.
Must be nice. I think semis are the worst when it comes to causing traffic. Swear to god, every single one gets on the highway and immediately moves to the middle lane, at least, even when they are going like 20 under and passing no one.
EDIT: It’s my fault for not being more clear. This is on a 6 lane highway. I also think people missed my point about them not going fast enough yet so cars are passing them on the left and right. Why get over 3-4 lanes and force everyone in those lanes to slow down and/or go around while they are still trying to pick up speed?
90% of the time that’s because everyone sits ten feet behind them so if they’re next to an onramp no one can merge. And seeing as they’re sixty feet long they can’t exactly merge left to let someone on (because that person sitting halfway up their colon sure as fuck won’t) because there’s not going to be any room.
I don’t particularly like it when people sit in the middle lane either… but until people realize they’re not competing with everyone else on the road and actually leave enough space for people to merge (from an onramp, from another lane, wherever) then it’s only responsible to ensure that people have at least a somewhat fighting chance to actually get on the highway in the first place.
Eh, I think sitting in the middle is totally reasonable. The right lane is for exiting and merging, and everything to the left should be used only when passing. So as you go left, speeds should increase. The speed limit here isn’t that important, the important thing is that you’re never passing from the right.
Obviously reverse for backwards countries like the UK.
The right lane is for exiting and merging,
And for driving! If you see someone merging you can temporarily switch to the middle lane to overtake them, given that your speed will usually be higher.
Sure, but if there are enough lanes, I think people should travel in the next lane over. For example, in my area we have 6 lanes, so unless you’re exiting, you should probably be one or two lanes over.
If it’s a two-lane highway, the right lane is for travel and the left is for passing. For three lanes, up to you. For >3 lanes, the right lane should be left open since there’s probably a lot of merging going on.
If you see someone merging you can temporarily switch to the middle lane to overtake them
That’s illegal in USA. People do it anyway, but if there’s a crash and blame needs to be assigned, then the law says you’re supposed to keep driving at the same speed, not change lanes, and leave it entirely up to the driver attempting to merge to regulate their speed so they can merge safely.
Where else are people supposed to sit? The left lane is for passing, the right lane is for entering and exiting. The middle lanes are only for driving.
he left lane is for passing, the right lane is for entering and exiting. The middle lanes are only for driving.
No, the right lane is for driving! It’s where you are supposed to be and the only place that won’t get you fined if you aren’t using it for overtaking! The middle lane is only for overtaking those on the right lane and the left lane is only for overtaking those overtaking on the middle lane.
Remember not to indicate if you’re over the age of 65, on a tractor, or driving a beamer
BMWs have turn signals? I assumed they were disabled at the factory since I’ve never seen one used in real life.
Have to pay a subscription to use them probably
Luckily I’m none of those! Yet. That S1000R® is looking like a sweet goal to achieve.
I usually go mostly left lane if there is a lot of traffic because otherwise I’m going from lane to lane because I’m passing someone all the time (I tend to drive 10kmh over the speed limit) but if I see that someone is coming really fast behind I make a room for them to go past me
That’s basically my MO too.
Left lane is for overtaking. End of story
If you finished overtaking you go back to middle or right depending on the circumstances.
Don’t be a middle lane driver, always go to the most right lane possible.
The middle lane is also just for overtaking. The left lane is to overtake someone that is overtaking someone.
No. Just no. The middle lane is the lane to use for your trip. The right lane is for allowing people on and off. If everyone is in the right lane, entering and exiting is painful or dangerous.
The law literally says you should always use the rightmost lane. At least that’s the case in Europe.
If everyone is in the right lane, entering and exiting is painful or dangerous.
Do you even have a drivers license? Entering and exiting is what entrance and exit lanes are for. There is nothing painful or dangerous about it.
You, sir, have clearly never driven a car in your life if you think there is nothing painful or dangerous about entrance and exits. The idea is simple, the execution by about 80% of existing drivers is just dreadful. Both the ones using them and the people who refuse to acknowledge that someone is using them.
He’s right, and you’re probably American, meaning you’re not entirely wrong either. You two are just talking about different systems.
Here in Europe it is taught you drive on the right most lane, as entrance and exit lanes are built separately. So if there are two lanes, there will be a third one at exits and entrances, or if there’s three lanes there will be a fourth lane for when there’s an entrance or an exit.
So it’d be rare to drive to a highway ans and be able to keep the lane you entered on, as it will merge with the normal amount of lanes, and then begin again when there’s an exit coming up.
I’m a taxi driver in the third gen, btw. Or “was”? Hard to say.
I’m in the US, and that sounds like most highways here. Sometimes, the road gets larger and a lane is added for now than just an exit or entrance lane, and sometimes the road gets smaller and a lane becomes the exit lane or otherwise has to merge left. When that happens, you’re obviously not expected to remain in the lane that is leaving the highway. That’s not “the rightmost lane” any more
Whatever the specifics, I think this is rather about miscommunication online, not actually that either of you are bad drivers in any way.
Driving rules, road infrastructure and “cultural norms” vary somewhat betweeen NA and Europe, afaik.
Holy shit I think you’re right on that 80% figure for onramps. The onramp is for accelerating to highway speed. Not 20 under. Not 10 under. People don’t realize how dangerous going slow really is.
Well. You keep to the middle lane then. You know it comes with a €270 fine, right?
Highways in my region (western USA) are not always designed with separate exit lanes. Often the right lane we’ve been happily traveling down suddenly becomes “Exit Only” and anyone not exiting must move to the middle lane. The lane will be replenished after the exit, sometimes miles down the road, but will often go Exit Only again. And again.
Staying in the right-hand lane is literally impossible in certain freeways in North America. Other areas of North America are similar to what you’re used to with exit lanes being created for the purpose of exiting and entering so commuters can stay in the right-hand lane but it isn’t everywhere.
Staying in the right-hand lane is literally impossible in certain freeways in North America.
The law says you should keep as far right as possible. This doesn’t mean at all cost, if the right lane is completely occupied you’re allowed to drive in the middle or even left lane (if the middle is also occupied). This often happens during rush hour.
Unnecessarily driving in the left lane is the #3 most irritating thing in traffic, according to surveys, with tailgating at #1 and phone use while driving at #2. You’re not only blocking those behind you, but everyone on the lanes to your right as well. (Overtaking on the right carries an even heftier fine than not driving in the rightmost possible lane).
I didn’t say the alternative was left lane driving or condoned left lane camping. Your response to the other person sounded like you were only used to one type of freeway/highway configuration.
I am pointing out your experience may be a bit local to your area and middle lane driving for through traffic (also called commuter traffic sometimes) is the safest option that minimizes risky lane changes on some roads. But this does contradict the edict of staying in the right-most lane which is different from keeping-right-except-to-pass I think.
I’m the u.s. they put the highway through the middle of cities. The right most lane is an exit and entrance lane as on and off ramps are usually a mile or less apart. There are usually 4+ lanes in these situations, so the first 2 left lanes are there for people to merge on and off. If you’re just passing through, then it makes Sense to stay in the third or fourth lane and leave the farthest left lane for the crazies. Go look at Atlanta Georgia, Chicago, or the East side of the Mississippi River going into St.Louis.
Except for when they put left-lane exits. Then it’s Mad Max rules.
For example, there’s a major highway junction that I drive every day where there are four lanes. The left two lanes become one two-lane highway, and the right two lanes connect with another two-lane to become a four-lane highway.
In this instance you have two slow lanes sandwiched between two fast lanes.
The right most lane is an exit and entrance lane
For fun, look up US Route 60 where it meets Chelyan Bridge just outside Quincy. The through lane is on the right, and the exit lane is the left lane because fuck all reason.
Its the same in the States as well. People here are just so far removed from the law because our road design often necessitates breaking the law.
It’s wild that this is so heavily upvoted.
Yeah if there’s solid traffic, there’s no need to go weaving around, but just planting in the middle lane for your whole trip sounds like selfish behaviour.
Trucks, my dude. A single truck enters the highway and slows down the entire right lane until it can get up to speed. Do this for hundreds of trucks per day across a handful of exits, plus all the other traffic, and right lane congestion is nearly constant. I don’t know where you are, but in the US middle/left lanes are sometimes signed for “Thru Traffic Only” to avoid additional congestion and slowdowns in the right lane.
entering and exiting is painful or dangerous.
not if everyone is leaving appropriate gaps in front of them and merging properly - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX0I8OdK7Tk
If you’re in the left lane, and there’s someone behind you but no one in front of you, move over and let them pass. Simple.
Or better yet, if there’s room to your right and the lane to your right isn’t the right-most lane, move right. It doesn’t matter if someone is behind you or if you’re one lane from the left, move right if you’re not passing someone.
Far too many people camp in the left most lane when there’s plenty of room to the right. This forces traffic that you’re probably not actually noticing to pass on the right, which is unsafe and, in some areas, illegal.
In some countries it’s illegal to drive on the left lane, when there is place on the right one
As it should be. I wish it was in my state, because so often we have a line of people in the left lane, nobody in the next two lanes, then trucks and grannies in the right two lanes.
I drive all over the country. In states where it is illegal to slow camp the left lane it is NEVER enforced by police. Same problem everywhere no matter the law.
I really wish they’d enforce that instead of speeding, surely that’s a bigger cause if road rage than pretty much anything else…
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It doesn’t force them to drive unsafely. That’s a decision they make on their own.
Unsafe driving is anything that’s surprising. Having a car go faster than your to your right is surprising, thus unsafe. The #1 rule in any kind of dangerous activity where a lot of independent actors are involved is to be predictable.
Here’s a clear scenario:
- Driver A is cruising in the left lane
- Driver B comes up behind driver A
- Driver A notices B, checks to the right (looks over shoulder), and decides to merge right
- Driver B gets impatient and starts to overtake A on the right
- Driver A, assuming moving to the right is safe (mirrors look good), moves right and collides with B, who is in their blind spot
It’s reasonable to assume someone isn’t going to jump into your blind spot on the right. That’s less reasonable to your left, so you should be extra careful when merging left.
Merging right should always be safer because you may need to move over if an emergency vehicle approaches from behind.
So Driver B made a conscious decision to make an illegal and dangerous pass. That’s not Driver A’s fault. You guys want to drive like it’s NASCAR and blame everyone around you but it’s just not true. If you’re coming up behind someone you have more situational awareness not less. It’s on you to make a safe move, like applying your brakes. That’s a safe predictable response to a slower car in front of you. Nobody is forcing you to drive in an unsafe manner.
That’s… exactly what I’m saying.
My point is it’s unsafe to pass on the right. If you can’t pass on the left and there’s available room to the right, the driver in front should be ticketed, because doing that encourages unsafe passing from those behind them. If the driver behind gets impatient, they should be ticketed for reckless driving by passing on the right.
So don’t pass on the right. If there’s a driver in front of you that’s holding up traffic with room on the right to move over, call traffic enforcement if it’s illegal in your area (and if it’s not, campaign for it to become illegal).
Yeah if there’s no one in front of you and someone can undertake you, you fucked up. I’m glad to see this thread full of so many sensible takes on how to drive safely and maintain efficient flows of traffic. Normally these threads online get flooded with brain dead takes like “I’m going fast enough, why should I move?”.
Personally I always keep an eye out for this type of driver and make sure to get out the way. The longer they are around me the more likely I am to be collateral in their firey death.
Oh certainly. Always drive defensively. But that’s different than blaming someone else for their offensive driving.
“Move over so I can drive recklessly”
Your argument sucks.
It’s not your job to prevent others from speeding, it’s your job to stay to the right except to pass. It’s on the police to enforce speed limits.
It’s my job to drive and not worry about some dickhead behind me. If you can’t be patient, then don’t drive.
No, it’s your job to follow the rules and etiquette of the road. In some states, it’s illegal to camp in the left lane, though it’s unfortunately rarely enforced. I’ve heard it actually enforced in Germany though, so perhaps outside the US it’s more of a thing.
My state has “keep right except to pass” posted on most roads, and I’ve seen it in many other states as well. So do that.
You tailgate, speed, and cut people off and that’s fine, ok.
When did I say that? I’m quite considerate if I do say so myself. And I practice what I preach, I’m rarely in the leftmost lane, I’m as far right as I can while traveling the speed I want (usually within 5mph of the speed limit), and I help a healthy amount of space in front and behind me.
I suggest you do the same, if you’re not already. That’s proper etiquette, and in many areas it’s the law.
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Then what makes it a “dangerous situation?” Oh yeah, the reckless dickhead in the back.
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You’re the dickhead in the back in this situation. So why is it dangerous? You didn’t answer my question. Dickhead.
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I always do unless you have those crazy fucking headlights…then not a chance
You won’t see their headlights anymore if you let them pass
We don’t negotiate with terrorists!
Yes I will
So you move over and crash into the car to the right of you that you wanted to pass.
If someone comes up behind you, you should move to the right, even if there is a car to your right. You should just push them over to make way for the more important people who are speeding because they have important things to do and most get where they’re going 15 seconds faster by speeding.
Yes. If these two things are true: 1. A car is stuck behind you. 2. There is no car to your immediate right. Then you should move over. You should obviously not merge into a car, you would use your turn signal and then change lanes like a normal person.
This is because you are not so important that you get to break a common state law in order to inconvenience hundreds of other drivers on the road, because you don’t like that they want to break a different law that doesn’t inconvenience other drivers.
Gladly, just make sure they get the message to not ride my ass or try to zip around me on the right. Also if I’m still actively passing people, I’m not going to move over to a small open space on the right.
Even if you’re passing people, you’re probably still obligated to move to the right, by law. You’ll have to check your state laws for your specific obligations.
If somebody is riding your ass or going around you to the right, they absolutely should not be doing that. However it also means you’ve likely been camping in the left lane, impeding the flow of traffic for far too long by the time you reach that point, and you’re considered part of the problem if you’re causing other drivers to pass you on the right to get around you. When you’re driving on public roadways, it’s not about you. You need to do your part to ensure a smooth flow of traffic, so that everybody can arrive at their destination safely.
If you want to drive slowly, just do so in the rightmost lane. They literally have a lane just for you to do that, where you can be free of tail riders, and it’s impossible to be passed on the right.
I don’t camp the left lane, pinky promise. I pull into the left lane to pass and someone coming up behind me going 90 rides right up on my ass until I’m done passing, or they squeeze into the bit of stopping distance I’ve created before merging back right. If I’m passing and already going over the limit, they can damn well wait a few seconds.
I’ll pass a semi and have someone fly up behind me going 15+ over and ride my ass. If I don’t get back over to the right immediately, they will cut off the truck to pass me on the right. Those are the people bitching about “left lane driving.” Very rarely have I ever seen someone just cruising in the left lane with nobody around. It’s often impatient assholes who think they are the main character.
If people are passing you on the right, you are in the wrong lane in the first place.
There’s a reason they say “keep right except to pass” and “left lane for passing only” and “trucks trailers rvs and busses prohibited from left lane”. There’s a reason they don’t say “don’t pass on the right” anymore. Passing on the right isn’t the problem, being passed on the right is the problem.
If you are going slower than the lane to your right, you are causing a rippling effect in the traffic behind you. People camping in the left or center lanes when they are going slower than the cars to the right of them are one of the biggest causes of congestion, and it’s quite evident if you watch who is at the lead of pockets of congestion.
I don’t know how to be clearer, I only pass on the left and otherwise stay right, just not always at the speed people want me to. I like to allow the car I’ve passed some distance before getting back in front of it, which not everyone seems to like.
Gladly, just make sure they get the message to not ride my ass or try to zip around me on the right.
If people are passing you on the right, you are in the wrong lane in the first place.
I stand by what I said. You apparently do not.
Because I think it’s important to make sure the car behind me has enough room to stop should it be necessary? Because they can’t wait 2 seconds for me to make a little space?
I don’t understand how cars that are supposedly going slower than you are passing you. Both cannot be true.
Unless you are slowing down to yield to non-emergency vehicles on your right, in which case you are a worse and more dangerous driver than I could have imagined.
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…keep right except to pass: if you don’t want to drive, take the bus…
How much gap is safe? Should I cut someone off? Is there isn’t a safe gap should I still get over?
If you’re asking me these questions, you should just tear your drivers license in half right now. Are you telling me that you’re a current licensed driver and yet you don’t know how to change lanes? Jesus dude.
I think you need to calm down.
If you aren’t passing someone you shouldn’t be in the leftmost lane.
Just try not to be dumb 👍
An inch is sufficient. No touch? We good.
If you ain’t rubbin you ain’t racin!
I’d say allowing other drivers to drive dangerously does cause inconvenience to others.
What this “slow driver” discussion leaves out is the fact that it’s the fast drivers that end up behaving dangerously and causing accidents. Fast drivers are the problem here.
That’s a very common misconception. Driving fast isn’t actually very dangerous absent outside factors like poor weather conditions, balding tires, bad brakes, aggressive driving, etc. Cars are designed to drive straight very well, and their ability to do so is unaffected by a metal sign with some paint on it beside the road they’re driving on. This is why countries like Germany with its Autobahn aren’t decimated by crashes every day.
Beyond this common sense, the data backs this up as well. Speeding is a factor in less than a third of all car crashes resulting in injury or death, and the it’s the cause of such accidents even less than that. Much bigger causes of accidents are unpredictable driving, driving too slowly for the flow of traffic, and aggressive driving (Which impeding traffic in the left lane falls under).
On top of the common sense and the crash data that backs this up, I also worked in EMS for over a decade and in my personal experience, the vast majority of incidents I’ve been involved in were due to somebody turning into traffic and failing to get up to speed, driving too slowly for the lane they’re in, or slamming on their brakes at a yellow light. In 10 years I’d seen 2 fatalities due to speeding, and that was on a residential road, the car involved was a rear wheel drive muscle car they accelerated too fast in without the experience to handle it. The overwhelming majority were caused by “defensive drivers” who made poor “defensive” decisions that other drivers couldn’t predict, or people becoming road hazards in order to self police the roadways.
According to Der Spiegel, German motorways that don’t have speed limits feature 17% more crashes leading to severe injury and 76% more crashes leading to death.
That’s despite the fact those sections have a lot of measures undertaken to additionally improve road safety.
According to the European Traffic safety Council, German roadways have a fatality rate of only 4.2 people per billion kilometers.
This is roughly half the rate of the US, which is 8.3
German motorways are much safer than the US, despite their high speeds. The reason a higher rate of accidents are caused by speeding in Germany compared to the U.S. is because their standards for driver training and licensure are much stricter than in the U.S. You actually have to attend a driving school and pass exams to become a licensed driver in Germany, unlike the almost total absence of driver education required in the US. They simply don’t have the issue of unpredictable ignorant drivers, or slow lane campers in Germany the way we do here. They successfully mitigated the risk of dangerous traffic flow impeding drivers like yourself, leaving high speeds as one of the only factors left when it comes to accidents. The high speed driver looks like “the problem” in Germany because the much bigger problem driver, including the lane campers, simply don’t qualify for drivers licenses there and are kept off the road entirely. A good problem to have, and one we should implement here in order to save lives.
It is true that Germany has lower fatality rate on the roads, and it is true that it is due to the various policies they implement, including stricter licensing. Speeding is also severely punished, by the way, which is why the definition of a “slow driver” will change a lot compared to the “I don’t give a damn about rules” America. A driver following speed limits is not “slow” by any German standards.
But in no way stricter licensing and control negates the fact that fatality rates on German motorways that don’t have a speed limit are 76% higher compared to the ones that do, in the absolute very same Germany, not compared to any other country.
The safest motorways of Germany, with a great margin, are speed limited.
Speeding is not the only factor for road safety, and it’s important to address this multifaceted issue in many ways. But speed is a very, very big part of it.
Tell us you camp the left lane without telling us you camp the left lane.
What people like you miss is that you should actually move to the right before someone comes up behind you. There is literally no value to staying in the left lane when not passing.
Left is for passing, if you’re just driving then you’re in the right lane until you come up on someone to pass
This is a good philosophy, not just for traffic flow but for safety. If a drunk or disoriented driver is going the wrong way they’re usually going to be in what is to you the left lane, which to them is the right lane. So they’ll just go past you instead of into you.
If they’re blocking you then why don’t you just pass them on the right?
illegal
Speeding is “illegal” too, so that’s not really much of an argument.
Its legitimately unsafe. Having traffic on one side consistently faster than you and the other side slower greatly reduces the chance of accidents because you can have have some relative assurance that speeding up while merging left is safe and slowing down while merging right is safe. It also keeps faster traffic out of and further away from onramps/offramps.
Drive safe, don’t be an asshole, its not that complicated.
No mf I want to drive 100+ that means I’m gonna pass on the right
/sarcasm
I mean, if you’re about that life, then yeah, gonna have to start weavin’ but that’s half the fun.
I need to buy a shitbox to throw boost at…
There’s a saying that I really like that seems relevant here - only break one law at a time.
It’s a great argument actually. Speeding on the highway is generally expected. Going 20 over in front of a cop is unlikely to get you pulled over in most of the U.S. The cops are more than likely doing the same thing. Passing on the right on the other hand is very likely to get you pulled over if a cop sees it. It’s a very dangerous move to pull because it’s not something other drivers can predict that you’ll do. The last thing you want to do is turn a middle or right lane into a passing lane. Then the slower drivers that just want to cruise will be pressured to move, possibly into the left lane which is now no longer a passing lane which compounds the issue, and you just get chaos where different lanes are all going different speeds at random.
They should pull over the person who got passed on the right instead. If someone is able to pass you on the right you’re in the wrong lane.
In California passing on the right is expected
Try Florida… It’s the norm
No, they pass on the shoulder lmao. (Grew up in FL)
Not in my state it isn’t.
I’m just going to go ahead and assume that both of you are taking into account that not everywhere has the same roads - IMO (and I think it’s just proven logically) the middle of the road should be where the fastest cars are.
On a 4 lane road (with a divider like 2/2) those middle two lanes should have the fast drivers. This way the people who want to go fast do so, and they don’t have to deal with people merging onto the road. Neither do the people merging have to deal with the fast drivers.
Having the middle lane/lanes be the “passing”/speeding lanes is less safe though, because both outside lanes then have to worry about faster traffic merging into them to pass people in the middle lanes, rather than just a single lane. Also the people merging absolutely would still have to deal with fast drivers, when drivers in the faster middle lanes try to pass each other on the right. Doing so would put them in the same lane people are using to merge onto the highway.
Edit: also people in the slower left lane would have to merge into and out of the faster middle passing lanes in order to exit the highway, which just sounds like a recipe for disaster.
Edit edit: are you talking about 4 bidirectional lanes, with, for example, two going north and two going south? If so my bad for the misunderstanding, we actually agree
Two going north, two going south.
Because that makes it harder for them to move back to the right
I once went to a conference as a vendor and they hired a temp to go with us to do a lot of the grunt work and had him drive the van there and back. He would drive under the speed limit in the left lane. When I couldn’t take it anymore and finally said something, he said, “I like driving in the left lane!”
They had to practically hold me back from strangling him.
I’m much calmer these days.
I’ve heard that a society governed purely by logic would be one that never takes emotion into account, one that only sees the cold logic.
That sounds bad. That being said:
We live in a society where people actively enjoy becoming road hazards, subsequently becoming dangerous to others whilst staying relatively safe themselves.
Idk, maybe we meet somewhere in the middle? Cuz I feel like those feelings should not be respected.
Because your wish was granted, right?
He left my presence still breathing, but I assume someone else has strangled him by now.
“Failure to yield” is a law in some places. You don’t get to lane camp.
Also, most states have “Keep right except to pass” laws. So if you’re not actively passing, you need to move over.
So yeah, they are breaking laws.
This works the other way too, though. If they are passing slower traffic, it doesn’t matter if you want to pass even faster, you gotta be patient and wait until they are no longer passing and pull back into the outside lane before you pass.
pull back into the outside lane
Not sure if you mistyped, but if you’re in the left most lane and the person in front is passing someone, then you stay in the lane until they move over.
I live in Australia. The right lane is the overtaking lane and the left lane is for normal travel.
But to adapt it to use language which is region-neutral, I used “outside lane” to refer to what would be my left lane. Because it sits on the outside of the road corridor. No mistyping.
Honestly, the term “inside” and “outside” don’t really help. On a two-way road, the “inside” would probably be the one closest to the divider, whereas on a separated highway, I’d probably consider it the closest to the exits (the opposite). That’s inconsistent at best.
It’s honestly just easier to say, “I drive on the left/right” and then use left/right like you normally would.
Regardless, my point is that if you’re behind someone who is in the rightmost lane, you have to just wait until they’ve finished passing before you can pass them. If there’s a lane to their right, you don’t need to wait, just overtake in the available lane, even if they’re passing someone else. I’ve actually done that on highways with two lanes going each way, where the pass in the “normal” passing lane, and I pass in the oncoming traffic lane when clear.
Maybe we’re saying the same thing, but it sounded like you’d wait behind them even if there’s another passing lane available, which seems silly.
if you’re behind someone who is in the rightmost lane, you have to just wait until they’ve finished passing before you can pass them
Yes, that’s exactly what I said (assuming we’re talking about in an Aus/UK scenario). To repeat myself, but with the left/right/inside/outside thing fixed
If they are passing slower traffic…you gotta be patient and wait until they are no longer passing and pull back into the [left] lane
What you’re saying is logical but is the opposite way to how it actually works, at least in the UK but I believe elsewhere as well
In Australia and the UK you drive on the left normally (the outside lane), and overtake on the right (the inside lane). In America that would be drive on the right (outside lane) and overtake on the left (inside lane).
I live in the UK and can tell you conclusively that is not correct.
I agree that’s how it should work, but that isn’t how it works, at least in this country.
I’m talking specifically about your use of inside vs outside lane
Oh I see. So you would say the inside lane is the one furthest from the centre of the road?
I have met some people online that are very allergic to the idea of breaking the law. Which is kinda exotic for me because where I live (middle-Eastern Europe) the uncommon is for someone to actually stick to the law lol. It’s very interesting that we are so different in this.
For us when there was communism here, everyone had to break the laws to get by and so we are probably used to it even when most of the laws actually make sense nowadays.
Oh you mean like Slovakia, not like Lebanese-Spain
I don’t want to be in the left with you animals. Tell the guy in the right to at least to do the fucking limit.
I can’t begin to describe how much I disagree with this. The speed limit is the limit to how fast you are legally allowed to drive. No lane legally enables you to go faster. The attitudes normalizing speeding are stupid. You’re not entitled to go dangerous speeds.
Did you miss the part where they specifically stated they wanted to break the law?
It’s very simple, the left lane is for passing and the right lane is for not passing. It’s clearly defined as such.
40mph semi passing a heavier/slower 35mph semi, while annoying at times, is a completely correct use of the lane. As is someone going the speed limit passing someone else going 5 under. A 250mph Lambo passing a 220mph Porsche is also using the lane correctly.
Speeding is completely separate. If someone is speeding then they might get a speeding ticket, but it will not matter at all which lane they happen to be in. If they get a ticket related to the lane they are in, it would be in relation to incorrectly using the lane (such as passing on the right. The left lane is not for blocking speeders, its for passing. Call the cops if you would like them ticketed for driving dangerously, but blocking them just makes an already dangerous situation more dangerous.
My point is everyone is supposed to be in the right lane at all times unless actively passing, including the Lambo. Everyone.
If I’m on a totally empty highway I would drive for the entire journey without going in the left lane as there would be literally no reason to. Doesn’t matter at all if I’m driving a slow semi or fast Lambo.
Unless you’re in California. Then the left lane is also an exit and the right side exit lane is the passing lane. But only if you’re driving more than 30mph over the limit.
I’m not usually a fan of traffic enforcement but god does this state need it.
Meh, it was fine on both motorcycle and by car, at least around LA. Come up to Seattle, everyone fills every lane and drives at exactly the speed limit. It’ll drive you fucking nuts.
I mean, if everyone’s driving the limit, there’s no need to pass, right?
What about when everyone’s 5 under?
While I’ll get to my destination in one piece, I do appreciate a little bit of excess speed, particularly on the slow gradients of the 5.
The speed limit in LA for roads of similar design is 75mph, and outside of rush hour, those speeds seem comfortable.
It’s also escalating. I swear the last meme about this was like “if you’re not going over the speed limit in the left lane fuck off. That’s the crime lane” next year it’ll be “if you’re not going 50 over all the time fuck you.” And the comments will roar in approval.
This is exactly why I think it should be called " the passing lane" because, reasonably, people can argue that if they are going the speed limit they have full right to “the fast lane.”
The passing lane gives everyone reasonable access to it. You drive 10 under, but stuck behind someone who is 15 under? Yup you have access to it because you shouldnt have to go slow.
You want to go 5 over? Well, someone else might want to go 10 over. So you stay out of the lane so they can pass.
But in the end it’s not up to you to decide whether they are going too fast or now. It’s the passing lane and if you aren’t currently passing, get out of it.
It is called the passing lane though, isn’t it? I always figured ‘fast lane’ was just slang. Is there anyone ‘fast lane’ codified into law?
I don’t think it’s codified into law everywhere that you have to be passing in it. But even using fast lane as slang is bad because it gives the wrong impression.
I am certainly aware that diving at dangerous speeds is stupid, which is why I am keeping my speed to a safe 10 over the limit.
Y’all are really arguing that driving 10 over the speed limit, which is illegal in every single United State is less illegal than staying in the left lane and it’s such a strange modern attitude.
No ur strange
It’s the left lane actually, it really is the law here.
Counterpoint. This isn’t the law everywhere, and also lots of the laws codifying a left lane as a passing / fast lane happened after I started driving, so from my perspective they’re part of a new perspective on it, so my values on this are grounded from a different viewpoint.
From right to left, the lanes are for drivers who follow the laws as written, the laws as enforced, and the laws of physics.
This sounds like where I live. Everyone is either going 20 over the limit or 10 under it the whole way and both are constantly trying to change lanes for no legitimate reason lol
And most of the time they don’t use their turn signals
A lot of misunderstanding here, as should be expected, considering the topic and the reality it relates to.
Let’s put it simply: if you’re “passing” in the left lane and there’s space between the first vehicle you’re overtaking & the next one, and those also passing behind you are going faster than you prefer/are capable of? No biggie. Just say these words along with me, ok?
Get. The fuck. Over. 🤗
You can continue your Sunday afternoon cruise after the adults have left you behind.
See those lights/blinkers in your mirrors? They’re for you and because of you. Get. The fuck. Over.
And, if you feel the urge to whine about it, that’s fine too. Out of the passing lane. 🤷🏼♂️
It’s pretty simple: not the fastest vehicle in the passing lane? GTFO. You can harumph to yourself about life not being fair once you’re no longer CAUSING FUCKING TRAFFIC, chucklehead. 🤣🖕🏽
Your whole comment is entitlement. If the vehicle in the passing lane is going the speed limit, or matching the speed of cars traveling in the other lane, then sure, you have an argument.
But if traffic in the center lane is moving at 70 mph, and the car in front of you is traveling at 75 mph in the passing lane, but you’re doing 80+, guess what?!
You can flash your lights and use every blinker in your car that you want, you’re reckless driving, traveling at speeds that are unsafe, and the cop that pulls you over isn’t gonna give a flying fuck that you were in the passing lane.
And y’know how I can tell you view the passing lane as a personal camping lane? Because you never indicated that you, or the people flashing their lights/blinkers/horns/whatever, ever move back over. The left lane is not for camping, it’s for passing and then merging back over.
No one needs to move more quickly because you feel the need for speed, or are late for who fucking cares. You wanna drive fast? Take your shitbox to a track and drive like an asshole to your hearts content.
So unless those lights you’re flashing are red and blue with a siren, you can kiss my sweet, 5 mph-over-the-speed-limit driving ass.
No it’s efficiency and common sense. If people behind you want to pass and you have space to move out of the passing lane move. Then they can go the speed they want to go and you can go the speed you want to go. What you’re saying is they should have to go the speed you want to go, why?
What you’re saying is they should have to go the speed you want to go, why?
There’s lots of this sentiment on this platform, and the answer is simple, they’re power hungry little trolls with nothing better going on in their lives than inconveniencing other people on the freeway so that they can feel some measure of control over another person.
Explain to me, under what circumstances, you need to go more than 10 mph over the speed limit. Don’t pull “my wife is in labor” or “I severed my hand” or some nonsense, if a car is coming up and making it obvious they’re in distress, fine, that’s one thing.
But literally no other justification exists other than “hur dur I want go fast vroom vroom.” You’re endangering the lives of everyone around you because you feel everyone should make way for you. It’s entitlement, and it’s reckless driving.
“The speed you want to go” is a very disingenuous way to describe the speed limit
What the fuck do you think this post is about?
Breaking the law, which brings us back around to entitlement. It is not my responsibility to enable anyones reckless driving. If I am no longer passing someone I will happily get over, but until then you all can slow your impatient ass’s down and wait for once in your life. I’d much rather you be behind me than in front when you inevitably get into an accident.
Because you’re not entitled to go the speed you want to go. If there’s nineteen cars behind you and the car in front is only going half a mile an hour faster than the people they’re passing… sure. But if you’re one car and they’re one car, you are not entitled to go any faster than they are. They’re entitled to go the speed they want… because they got their first. You want to go faster? Wait your fucking turn.
It’s more efficient to switch lanes less often than it is to speed. Myth busters covered this. People speeding in the left lane are the ones causing problems. Take some anxiety medication if you can’t deal with it.
Um I guess you forgot the results of that test… Changing lanes got to the destination faster, not always by a large amount but obviously there are always other factors. But don’t let facts get in the way of your biases.
Maybe it was the number of other more scientific studies that I remember.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0378437123006155
Don’t argue with traffic. They like being part of something. 🤣
There was a way you could have said that without being a smug dick about it. You have however perfectly illustrated exactly which type of person camps in the passing lane going 30 over the speed limit all day…
Well done 👏👏👏
Wrong reality. It’s for passing not speeding down the freeway
Ah, children. So darling.
It doesn’t matter who’s faster, what matters is if the car in front is actively passing. If there’s a big enough gap that the car in front can merge over without having to slam on their brakes to match the slower flow, then yes, they should move over. But if there isn’t, then I guess you need to wait until there is.
The rule should be codified and enforced as something like: stay right except to pass, and passing on the right is illegal. That’s simple. If there’s room to your right, regardless of traffic behind you, you should move right. It doesn’t matter what speed you’re going, if there’s room, move right. The only exception here is on highways with more than two lanes, in which case it’s totally fine to leave the right lane open for people exiting and entering the highway. Other than that, stay right. And if someone else isn’t following that law, call traffic enforcement and don’t pass on the right.
In another way of speaking, yes. And, it is the law in most places that at least the chicken heads in this thread don’t want to recognize. Further proof that drivers licensing should be farrrr more stringent and difficult to obtain. 🤦🏼♂️
Licensing is rarely the issue, it’s that people develop bad habits. I’m in favor of relicensing every 10 years or so. Not an open book written test, but an actual driving test. That should also help catch the elderly who really shouldn’t be driving.
But the real solution is to build out mass transit and enforce the laws we have. A combination of fewer drivers and correcting dangerous driving behaviors should improve traffic and safety.
I don’t entirely disagree with you, per se, though repurcussions for unlicensed/under-licensed are a joke in most US states and the downvote-happy cowards here are exactly the same sort to declare loudly in their own minds that their own shit habits are totally rational and in the best interests of everyone else on the road — contrary to all logic.
Bottom line, if you aren’t piloting your vehicle with respect for its lethal potential and the responsibility to not be a gawdamn obstacle, you’re a fucking clown that shouldn’t be behind the wheel. Pour on the pointless downvotes, redditors; your silence says everything.
Yeah, it’s just like people complaining about traffic when their car takes up as much space as everyone else.
The problem is two fold:
- too many cars
- poor driving
The first is the bigger issue, but the second shouldn’t be discounted.
Insinuating that traffic is caused by the size of cars is like saying blood cells cause heart attacks. Shit drivers contribute to traffic conditions more than anyone here seems willing to recognize, and being a self-important fuckstick in the passing lane trying to make everyone else behave like you want is directly causing traffic.
Bottom line: if you’re not the fastest vehicle in the far right lane, get the fuck over.
Didn’t even get me started on entrance ramps or blinkers or stopping at non-existent stop signs. Those are also related to how far one’s head is up one’s own ass, but I’ve better things to do here than shake my young guy stick at a blithe population beset with systemic mental health issues. 🤷🏼♂️
traffic is caused by the size of cars
It’s the density of people on roads that’s an issue. When you add more lanes, you get more conflict, which also reduces traffic flow. It’s an inefficient way to move a lot of people.
And no, someone driving 65 in a 70 or whatever isn’t causing traffic directly, but they are contributing to road rage, which does cause traffic. Traffic is caused by conflict, which increases the more lanes and cars you have on a roadway. Reducing the density of cars on roads reduces conflict, thus traffic.
Teaching people to drive better will have limited impact. The better change is to make more efficient ways to move people so there’s less conflict.
Let me guess…your car is a BMW, right ? You got to be the moron in a BMW ?
I’ve seen so many wrecks because of assholes trying to go 85-150 MPH on a god damn road. The comments here enforce the idea that people are just selfish, self centered motherfuckers when it comes to driving on the highway. There is a posted fucking speed LIMIT for a god damn reason. Leave earlier if you want to get to your fucking destination on time.
Germany has proved it’s not the speed that causes the accidents it’s the excessive lane changing resulting in cutting people off.
Cell phone addiction doesn’t help either.
Statistically, we have more deadly accidents on sections of the Autobahn with no speed limit, so speed is a factor, even though it isn’t the only one.
But do you have more accidents in general?
That is even more surprising than me seeing the accident statistics in Europe compared to US. I must have fallen for propaganda 😓
Look, I’m not going to budge. I do not think people need to be going over 90/100 MPH on the road, with many other people driving, with animals also in the picture. I think it’s reckless, stupid, and just not necessary in any capacity. Again, I have seen too many fools driving way too fucking fast, hurt other innocent people because of their stupidity.
Sure you can believe that as much as you want but it doesn’t change that fact that some percentage of people are still going to drive entirely too fast, not to mention the much larger number of people who will drive a little over the limit. Study after study has shown the best way to move people going different speeds is to pass in the left lane and use the other lanes to go progressively slower as you move left. If you don’t think people should speed that’s fair and I agree, but that doesn’t change the fact that people will do it anyway.
You can all move over for them if you want. When I am in a lane, it is because I need to be in that lane. I guess I can at least say I am passing people, so.
“Selfish, self centered motherfuckers” would also describe those in the left lane while not passing with others behind them. No numbers needed. If someone is on your tail in the left lane and the right is open, move right. Everyone is safer, even people dumb enough to go 150, when passers aren’t forced to weave between lanes.
I disagree. I think that just emboldens the fools who think they can drive over 100 MPH. If I am in the left lane, it is because I need to be in that lane. Point blank. I don’t care where you live, and what your states laws are, mine do not have those stupid ass laws.
Drunk drivers who enter the freeway going the wrong direction usually drive in what they think is the right lane, which is actually the left lane. Camping in the left lane increases your chances of a head-on collision.
So… to mitigate that, you encourage people to drive faster than they can reliably react to a situation such as this exact scenario…? Yeah, okay. Sound logic.
Wow. Get familiar with the Uber app. You shouldn’t be driving if that’s the conclusion you reach based on anything I’ve said.
How… how else was I supposed to take that then? Do you remember what conversation we are having here?
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Is your point the speed limit signs should be followed, but the “keep right except to pass” signs are ok to ignore?
I’ve never seen one of those in my state. I DO see plenty of SPEED LIMIT 70 MPH signs though. I think the keep right is fucking stupid, because it just causes drivers to swerve in and out of traffic, which is dangerous for multiple reasons, but will also cause congestion on the on ramps on to the interstate itself. It just goes to show you how each state having it’s own laws for driving is fucking stupid also.
It is the law in all 50 states for slower traffic to keep to the right when driving on the highway, regardless of the speed limit. So you just clearly don’t know how to drive, and have never bothered to learn, or even educate yourself in your own states driving laws. Keeping right also isn’t stupid at all. A lot of people, much smarter and experienced than yourself, armed with decades of data have decided that keeping right is the safest course of action. Obstructing the flow of traffic by driving slowly in the left lane continues to be far more dangerous than speeding ever could be.
After many years in EMS I’ve seen the disastrous results of self righteous speed keepers and unpredictable drivers like yourself first hand and I really have less than zero sympathy. Stop worrying about the speed of other vehicles on the road and start worrying about your ability to drive predictably, in a way that keeps you inside the flow of traffic, in the spot you’re supposed to be.
https://www.mwl-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/SLOWER-TRAFFIC-KEEP-RIGHT.pdf
EDIT: And for someone who was supposedly in EMS, that means you would have seen the direct consequences of what going TOO fast can do to the human bodies, and their vehicles involved. So, therefore if you were a sane individual, you would encourage people to follow the posted SPEED LIMIT. Also, I’m worried about what other drivers are fucking doing dangerously, BECAUSE I HAVE TO SHARE THE SAME FUCKING ROAD WITH THEM, YOU IDIOT.
Oh, no. you hurt my feelings by saying shit you know nothing about! I might just cry. :(
No, I learned what NOT to do from idiots who think they can safely drive over 90-100 MPH. Get the fuck over yourself, and just realize that going faster than 90 MPH DRASTICALLY increases your chances of colliding with something, someone, or LOSING CONTROL OF YOUR FUCKING VEHICLE.
seen the direct consequences of what going TOO fast can do to the human bodies, and their vehicles involved.
At highway speeds, whether you’re going 55 mph or 75 mph makes little difference to your survivability. Crashing your car at highway speeds is going to hurt. The difference is somebody who’s speeding in the left lane is a lot less likely to cause an accident than somebody going too slowly in the left lane. People like you are a much larger danger to yourself and others than somebody going over the speed limit by a marginal amount, in an appropriate lane. And the fact that we have to share a road with people like you is infuriating. In my eyes you’re no better than drunk drivers. At least they were impaired when they made the poor decision to drive drunk. You make the choice to put everyone on the road at risk fully sober, because you just don’t care.
Oh, no. you hurt my feelings by saying shit you know nothing about!
Evidently I do, since I had to send you proof of your own state’s driving laws that by your own admission you were completely unaware of and also apparently don’t mind breaking. I guess it’s not about the law for you, just control over other people.
The worst thing about scumbags like you is it’s not just simple ignorance that drives your self-centered, life threatening behavior on the road. You also just refuse to learn.
Amen
You’re so fucking stupid. You know nothing about how I drive. Just because I complained about people who are obviously putting themselves, and others, at risk because they want to go above the posted speed limit. Don’t worry, asshole. The feeling is mutual. I hope you don’t drive too fast to be able to react in a timely manner the next time you are on the road. Others lives might be in danger with speed demons like yourself on the road.
I know that you hyperfixate on speed limits and yet you don’t know your own state’s driving laws. That tells me all I need to know about how you. You don’t know how to drive, you don’t care that you’re putting people’s lives as risk over your perverse power fantasy. You think you’re more important than everyone else on the road. Being confronted with your own ignorance doesn’t even move the needle towards some introspection and actually learning how to drive safely with other people on the road.
People like you are responsible for so many preventable deaths on the road and then when somebody loses their life because of the bullshit head games you want to play while in control of a 2 ton hunk of metal, you’ll cry and sputter about “how did this happen” and “I didn’t mean to”. I wouldn’t even call you stupid because it’s more likely you just don’t care, as long as your fragile ego gets what it wants then fuck everyone else, right? Disgusting.
Lmao are you okay?
55 vs 75 no difference?
speeding cause less wrecks than driving ‘slowly’ in the left lane?
yeah, you’re the scumbag speeder who refuses to learn. not someone who passes left but isn’t going fast enough for you. you’re gonna kill someone some day. psycho.
55 vs 75 no difference?
Yeah if you think a 75mph crash will kill you but you get to walk away unharmed from a 55MPH crash, I have really bad news for you.
speeding cause less wrecks than driving ‘slowly’ in the left lane?
That is correct. Speeding is involved in a minority of accidents, and is the cause of even less. Over the course of a decade, I’ve seen two fatalities due to speeding, they didn’t harm anyone but themselves in the process, and both were on residential boulevards, not the freeway. I’ve seen far more caused by erratic unpredictable driving, driving too slow for traffic, and turning into traffic.
I’m a man who’s been fortunate enough to have saved dozens of lives that were almost ended by people like you that become road hazards on purpose, and less fortunately the witness of far more innocent people losing their lives because of drivers like yourself. People like you have caused far more injury and death than any speeders could hope to. Speeders are nothing more than a convenient scapegoat. As long as they themselves are not driving erratically or switching lanes unpredictably, they’re of minuscule concern. There are countries with freeways that have speed limits more than twice the U.S. and they do just fine.
Lmaooooo fucking brainworms oofta
You understand most of those accidents weren’t due to someone speeding…they were due to someone causing a dramatic change in speed.
Oh. Like the people who just ram right into people because they were too busy going too fast to be able to properly control their vehicle…? Yeah, no shit.
Most accidents I see are from dumb fucks trying to merge into a fast moving lane from a dead stop because they were tailgating the guy in front of them too much and instead of waiting til they had enough speed to match the lane they were going into they just cut them off instead.
Right. So, if you’re going a reasonable speed, say, the posted speed limit of 70, you will be able to mitigate as much carnage as possible even when that person was doing something pretty dumb, because you will be able to slow down quicker and you’ll be able to keep control of the vehicle.
Even doing the speed limit won’t save you if someone swerves into your lane from a dead stop 200 feet in front of you. By your logic everyone should be going 15mph everywhere so we don’t get hurt.
No, no.
By my logic, you should paying attention to your speed, because the speed limit is posted at 70. The benefits that come with going 70 and not 90+ are that you will be able to mitigate as much damage as possible, while on the interstate going the posted speed limit, by being able to either slow down quicker or react in a manner that allow you to prevent as much damage as possible.
Is that more clear for you?
Going 60 would mitigate even more damage, 50 even more, 40 even more, and so on until we might as well be commuting in bumper cars. Why is 70 the arbitrary line? Who are you to decide what an acceptable level of risk is for everyone else?
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I’d say from experience that that is how it works. If they weren’t driving so fast, they could reasonably react in time. Highways aren’t for playing on.
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Yes. My experience.
I’m sure you can, buddy.
Yes. It does.
